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Posted - 2015.08.08 18:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK Why? So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here? I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it  Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights. I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins. A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid. Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you.. CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good. SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested?? To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really. Lot of veterans have reached a point where we have maxxed out everything even remotely related to our progression choices and are just dumping SP into things we could care less about. The DK market doesn't exist yet and will likely not offer anything we really find valuable. Faction Warfare is a'ight if you want exclusive SKINs and marginally better gear but other then that it's a role-play sort of deal. Pubs offer ISK but not in any great way and not with any real reliability. So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet. I mean, you're talking to players who have been around since June 2012 and probably even longer on Eve Online. We've already explored everything this game has to offer. Fought on every map, used every weapon, used every dropsuit, every vehicle, every module, every piece of equipment.... Fought every battle that we thought was worth a damn... ISK is really the only thing driving us anymore. This megalomaniac pipe dream that will go on for an infinite amount of time. But I mean even that's not ike a big priority... Just gives us a reason to do the stupid things we do, gives us a reason to keep playing the game when by all rights we should have quit ages ago.
^ Do you hear this, CCP Rattati?
It saddens me that elite players like Aeon have become bored with their peaceful and profitable farm lives. I wish there was more we could do to entertain them. If the elite Kumbaya Corps aren't interested in warring with one another, and there's nothing else for them to do but be jaded and print Isk, what harm would be there in introducing Proper Raid Mechanics?
What better way than Proper Raids to keep the wheels of war moving?
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:42:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts.
Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>;
You realize you two are in the same corp, right?
Which story does NF want to go with?
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Posted - 2015.08.08 22:06:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>; You realize you two are in the same corp, right? Which story does NF want to go with today? ?????? You said convince the leadership to fight rather than farm... I just told you that we are fighting..? Thor isn't disputing that. Unless you're referring to him saying "There is no hope for competitive play" and my saying that Outer Heaven is proper competition..? Which, in that case, competition is subjective to the person. I find OH to be a challenging fight, Thor might not. I don't speak for Thor.
Thor (with NF) says, "Competition is dead. There are no competitive fights. There is no hope."
Aeon (with NF) says, "Fighting five fights a day! And sometimes competitive fights! Against OH!"
Your stories don't add up. Who cares? The fact remains that competitive fights happen all the time. If Thor isn't seeing them, then he must not be looking for them.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:06:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
There is no real warring. There is no stalemate. Well I guess that's a lie, if the 3 or 4 corps that can actually PC fought a war then what? Even with whatever you consider real raiding mechanics what makes you think anybody is going to actually show up to really put up a fight in a raid? All the dudes who quit after two deaths and come whine about OP this or OP that?
Details. Why worry? If all the talent is pooled together, then whatever's left of the playerbase couldn't possibly threaten you, right?
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I'm not sure who Aeon is talking to when he occasionally logs in, but I don't know anybody that's happy with the state of competition in Dust.
I agree with you. And I think it can be fixed.
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:02:00 -
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Yesterday's Aeon wrote:
So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity ...
Today's Aeon wrote:
And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
180 degrees in under 24 hours. 
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:57:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Yesterday's Aeon wrote:
So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity ...
Today's Aeon wrote:
And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
Am I reading this wrong, or did you flipflop your position entirely in under 24 hours? If you can't keep the facts straight in your own head, how do you intend to function as information filter/exchange between us and the Devs? No. I didn't. You misread what I was saying entirely trying to find something to troll with. Yesterday's Aeon was saying that making ISK from PC battles and accumulating DK (essentially ISK with a different name, let's not beat around the bush here, they implemented DK because the ISK economy is already perma*****ed) is all that PC battles are really good for if you're not into politics. Today's Aeon is saying that passive ISK generation from locking districts and making bank off of passive clone says is done away with already and using it as an argument for why BPO's should be completely 100% free is BS.
I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality:
Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make.
As for BPOs, no one that I've seen has made any argument here about BPOs. Seems off topic.
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Posted - 2015.08.09 18:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality:
Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make.
You can't make ISK in any form or fashion from PC except through battles. That's reality.
What happens to excess clones once a district reaches capacity? So when yesterday's Aeon talked about printing ISK, what do you think he was referring to?
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Posted - 2015.08.09 23:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality:
Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make.
You can't make ISK in any form or fashion from PC except through battles. That's reality. What happens to excess clones once a district reaches capacity? When Yesterday's Aeon talked about printing ISK, what specific process(es) do you think he was referring to? Yesterday's Aeon wrote:
To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really ...
So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet.
You're pushing -so hard- to make me look like a villain that you're actually contradicting game mechanics at this point. It's frustrating as hell and I'd -really- appreciate it if you would stop.
What happens to excess clones once a district reaches capacity?
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Posted - 2015.08.10 00:58:00 -
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zDemoncake wrote:Districts don't generate clones when they are full
Gotcha. Am I correct in that a district holder can spend CP and sell a portion of clones from a district?
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:57:00 -
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Thanks for the clarification, Ghost. That fits my understanding of present mechanics; my open-ended questions are aimed at benefiting those who might be working with outdated information.
Now that we're (hopefully) all on the same page, one question to consider ...
If all PC Corps agreed to ceasefire, would their landholdings generate more ISK than if they were all at war?
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Posted - 2015.08.10 18:05:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Ghost. That fits my understanding of present mechanics; my open-ended questions are aimed at benefiting those who might be working with outdated information.
Now that we're (hopefully) all on the same page, one question to consider ...
If all PC Corps agreed to ceasefire, would their landholdings generate more ISK than if they were all at war? It's actually better to be down two clones restocks (down 160 for CH/SRL and 200 for PF). You always get two restocks on a district before you can be attacked on a generating district. So each day you sell of the clones you got that day after the initial setup.
Best practices aside and assuming the only goal were to optimize ISK returns, do Landholding Corps make more ISK from Districts when at war or when at peace?
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