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Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:11:00 - [1] - Quote You know something is broken when a Prototype XT-201 missile launcher (with dmg mods) and Gunnlogi GV.0 get destroyed by a Madrugar G-1 with basic blaster. (We both engaged each other face to face with hardeners activated and I didn't miss any missiles) Not only is the Large Missile horrible at killing armor tanks, shield tanks boosters are complete trash that fail you when you need it the most. Also, why the hell do the heavy shield boosters and shield hardeners take sooooo much resources. Gosh, give shield tanks a a buff by buffing or modules. 1.) reduce the cost of CPU n PG of shield hardeners and Shield heavy boosters 2.) Make boosters actually work 3.) Increase RoF of my Missiles plz. troll.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 212	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:18:00 - [2] - Quote What? Missile Turret is best at destroying armor tanks. Putting it on a crappy shield tank was your problem. Missiles do not need a buff. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 214	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:20:00 - [3] - Quote Also, what is wrong with you that you allowed the fight to happen at point blank range? You have 6x the effective engagement range, and yet you decided to get in a brawl? General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Badgerr Rager Fatal Absolution 927	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:25:00 - [4] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: You know something is broken when a Prototype XT-201 missile launcher (with dmg mods) and Gunnlogi GV.0 get destroyed by a Madrugar G-1 with basic blaster. (We both engaged each other face to face with hardeners activated and I didn't miss any missiles) Not only is the Large Missile horrible at killing armor tanks, shield tanks boosters are complete trash that fail you when you need it the most. Also, why the hell do the heavy shield boosters and shield hardeners take sooooo much resources. Gosh, give shield tanks a a buff by buffing or modules. 1.) reduce the cost of CPU n PG of shield hardeners and Shield heavy boosters 2.) Make boosters actually work 3.) Increase RoF of my Missiles plz. #isuck One day, I would like to be good at this game
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:28:00 - [5] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: What? Missile Turret is best at destroying armor tanks. Putting it on a crappy shield tank was your problem. Missiles do not need a buff. My Particle Cannon begs to differ. troll.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:29:00 - [6] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Also, what is wrong with you that you allowed the fight to happen at point blank range? You have 6x the effective engagement range, and yet you decided to get in a brawl? Not every map has lots of area. We fought in the middle of a city. troll.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 214	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:31:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: My Particle Cannon begs to differ. No one cares about what your particle cannon says. You whelp proto tanks to blaster maddies and cry on the forums afterwards. Feel free to come at me with your rail tank, just don't bother with a shield tank, it won't help you. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Badgerr Rager Fatal Absolution 928	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:31:00 - [8] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Badgerr Rager wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: You know something is broken when a Prototype XT-201 missile launcher (with dmg mods) and Gunnlogi GV.0 get destroyed by a Madrugar G-1 with basic blaster. (We both engaged each other face to face with hardeners activated and I didn't miss any missiles) Not only is the Large Missile horrible at killing armor tanks, shield tanks boosters are complete trash that fail you when you need it the most. Also, why the hell do the heavy shield boosters and shield hardeners take sooooo much resources. Gosh, give shield tanks a a buff by buffing or modules. 1.) reduce the cost of CPU n PG of shield hardeners and Shield heavy boosters 2.) Make boosters actually work 3.) Increase RoF of my Missiles plz. #isuck For money or for free? Aurum or ISK? Money mainly but if you in FA i do it for free.... I mean my tanker alt can easily handle an armour tank. Using a basic tank.. You probably don't know how to fit one or even fight in a tank. Baby steps One day, I would like to be good at this game
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:35:00 - [9] - Quote Badgerr Rager wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Badgerr Rager wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: You know something is broken when a Prototype XT-201 missile launcher (with dmg mods) and Gunnlogi GV.0 get destroyed by a Madrugar G-1 with basic blaster. (We both engaged each other face to face with hardeners activated and I didn't miss any missiles) Not only is the Large Missile horrible at killing armor tanks, shield tanks boosters are complete trash that fail you when you need it the most. Also, why the hell do the heavy shield boosters and shield hardeners take sooooo much resources. Gosh, give shield tanks a a buff by buffing or modules. 1.) reduce the cost of CPU n PG of shield hardeners and Shield heavy boosters 2.) Make boosters actually work 3.) Increase RoF of my Missiles plz. #isuck For money or for free? Aurum or ISK? Money mainly but if you in FA i do it for free.... I mean my tanker alt can easily handle an armour tank. Using a basic tank.. You probably don't know how to fit one or even fight in a tank. Baby steps Bro, I've been playing with tanks since chromosome but skill doesn't help you when the other players is using a better vehicle than you with a better gun. Blaster kills shields faster than missile kills Armor. Also, leave it to faulty boosters to fail at the most important time. BTW his tank was ADV. troll.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:38:00 - [10] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: My Particle Cannon begs to differ. No one cares about what your particle cannon says. You whelp proto tanks to blaster maddies and cry on the forums afterwards. Feel free to come at me with your rail tank, just don't bother with a shield tank, it won't help you. So you agree shield tanks are **? Then why am I not allowed to post on the forums in order to bring them on par? troll**.

General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 214	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:46:00 - [11] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: So you agree shield tanks are ****? Then why am I not allowed to post on the forums in order to bring them on par? One, you shiptoasted the title, its misleading. There is nothing wrong with missile turrets that doesn't extend to the rest of the game. They might benefit from a very slight splash buff to move them to a better middle ground between blasters and rails, but that is a very fine line to walk. I don't think they need it. Second, your anecdote has nothing to do with balance problems. You were a muppet and lost a tank. Third, the problem with shield tanks is unlikely to get really fixed, because without a model rework, the gun depression will always be broken. A simple buff isn't the solution, especially until the shield booster actually works. Fix the shield booster, give them a higher absolute speed than maddies, and then see how they sort out. It isn't that you aren't allowed to post, but badposting gets mocked. Badposting about being a scrub in a tank fight needs to be mocked for the good of all. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:59:00 - [12] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: So you agree shield tanks are ***? Then why am I not allowed to post on the forums in order to bring them on par? One, you shiptoasted the title, its misleading. There is nothing wrong with missile turrets that doesn't extend to the rest of the game. They might benefit from a very slight splash buff to move them to a better middle ground between blasters and rails, but that is a very fine line to walk. I don't think they need it. Second, your anecdote has nothing to do with balance problems. You were a muppet and lost a tank. Third, the problem with shield tanks is unlikely to get really fixed, because without a model rework, the gun depression will always be broken. A simple buff isn't the solution, especially until the shield booster actually works. Fix the shield booster, give them a higher absolute speed than maddies, and then see how they sort out. It isn't that you aren't allowed to post, but badposting gets mocked. Badposting about being a scrub in a tank fight needs to be mocked for the good of all. 1: You are right about the title. 2: I always give a story behind the reason. It tells you exactly what got me thinking about the topic. Also, yes Missile turrets are pretty sht. Like I said, a blaster kills a shield tank faster than missiles kill armor. Also, missiles are completely useless against a shield tank where as Blaster turrets are viable at killing armor tanks. If you think a Prototype Missile Launcher is good at killing PRO-ADV armor tanks, boy are you wrong. (Unless you run like 3 dmg mods which is not viable with a shield tank). The answer is simple here, Shield tanks are crap, and Large missiles aren't very good. troll.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 216	Posted - 2015.08.03 04:11:00 - [13] - Quote Shield tanks being crap is well known, and better discussed in many other threads on tanking. Missile turrets are fine. I have a dual damage mod XT maddy fit that is pretty much the pub master. I will never not take a fight in that thing. It eats up all comers. From a practical standpoint, missiles are better than rails. Less chance of lag screwing you, and you can still fight with some frame drops without your DPS going to crap. Also works better than rails against infantry most of the time. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 216	Posted - 2015.08.03 04:21:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 2: I always give a story behind the reason. It tells you exactly what got me thinking about the topic. Also, yes Missile turrets are pretty sht. Like I said, a blaster kills a shield tank faster than missiles kill armor. Also, missiles are completely useless against a shield tank where as Blaster turrets are viable at killing armor tanks. The story doesn't matter, it was just you being bad. If you came out of that fight blaming the tank, you need to reevaluate your post fight thought process. You took a shield boosting missile tank into a brawl with a blaster tank. It was only going to end one way, the turret has nothing to do with it and you picked the wrong type of tank for going into a range fight. Sir Dukey wrote:* If you think a Prototype Missile Launcher is good at killing PRO-ADV armor tanks, boy are you wrong. (Unless you run like 3 dmg mods which is not viable with a shield tank). XTs are amazing at killing tanks. Stop confusing the turret with the tank. You can run missiles on an armor hull. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3	Posted - 2015.08.03 04:41:00 - [15] - Quote Does anyone have any guides for a shield/missile tank in the current meta. Is it even viable at all? Fits? Strategies? Engagement ranges? Best PvE idea ever!
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 04:43:00 - [16] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 2: I always give a story behind the reason. It tells you exactly what got me thinking about the topic. Also, yes Missile turrets are pretty sht. Like I said, a blaster kills a shield tank faster than missiles kill armor. Also, missiles are completely useless against a shield tank where as Blaster turrets are viable at killing armor tanks. The story doesn't matter, it was just you being bad. If you came out of that fight blaming the tank, you need to reevaluate your post fight thought process. You took a shield boosting missile tank into a brawl with a blaster tank. It was only going to end one way, the turret has nothing to do with it and you picked the wrong type of tank for going into a range fight. Sir Dukey wrote:* If you think a Prototype Missile Launcher is good at killing PRO-ADV armor tanks, boy are you wrong. (Unless you run like 3 dmg mods which is not viable with a shield tank). XTs are amazing at killing tanks. Stop confusing the turret with the tank. You can run missiles on an armor hull. So you're calling me bad because I used a gunnlogi instead of madrugar. Hmm... I can believe XTs are amazing at killing tanks as long as you are fighting militia scrubs. troll.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 04:45:00 - [17] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Does anyone have any guides for a shield/missile tank in the current meta. Is it even viable at all? Fits? Strategies? Engagement ranges? Missiles are not viable on Shield tanks bro, you're gonna get raped. Shield tanks are only good at glass cannon redline camping. troll.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.03 05:03:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Fair comments. Stop confusing the turret with the tank. You can run missiles on an armor hull. So you're calling me bad because I used a gunnlogi instead of madrugar. Hmm... I can believe XTs are amazing at killing tanks as long as you are fighting militia scrubs. XT's are nasty to face down in an armour HAV.... particularly if you yourself are employing a Blaster HAV. The issue I find with them is that they require you to make every shot count and if you do not or are facing an enemy with a canny sense for movement and positioning your fight becomes significantly harder. I've recently seen a great deal many more Armour-Missile fits basically operating as "Bugspray for Armour Tanks". Just spray and walk away. I might alongside returning to Shield HAV pick up Missiles once more. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 05:10:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Fair comments. Stop confusing the turret with the tank. You can run missiles on an armor hull. So you're calling me bad because I used a gunnlogi instead of madrugar. Hmm... I can believe XTs are amazing at killing tanks as long as you are fighting militia scrubs. XT's are nasty to face down in an armour HAV.... particularly if you yourself are employing a Blaster HAV. The issue I find with them is that they require you to make every shot count and if you do not or are facing an enemy with a canny sense for movement and positioning your fight becomes significantly harder. I've recently seen a great deal many more Armour-Missile fits basically operating as "Bugspray for Armour Tanks". Just spray and walk away. I might alongside returning to Shield HAV pick up Missiles once more. Don't use on gunnlogi. Armor tanks have the toughness to survive blaster fire from other Armor tanks unlike gunnlogi which allows you to get in two clips using maddy. troll.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 216	Posted - 2015.08.03 05:15:00 - [20] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: So you're calling me bad because I used a gunnlogi instead of madrugar. Hmm... I can believe XTs are amazing at killing tanks as long as you are fighting militia scrubs. You blamed the vehicle and the turret when your tactics were deeply flawed. If you had to brawl with the tank, you should have gone with an armor tank. Given the tank meta, no shield tank is hanging around up close with a blaster, so you taking one into that situation and expecting it to do anything other than die suggests you are bad. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 05:45:00 - [21] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: You know something is broken when a Prototype XT-201 missile launcher (with dmg mods) and Gunnlogi GV.0 get destroyed by a Madrugar G/1 with basic blaster. (We both engaged each other face to face with hardeners activated and I didn't miss any missiles) Not only is the Large Missile horrible at killing armor tanks, shield tanks boosters are complete trash that fail you when you need it the most. Also, why the hell do the heavy shield boosters and shield hardeners take sooooo much resources. Gosh, give shield tanks a a buff by buffing or modules. 1.) reduce the cost of CPU n PG of shield hardeners and Shield heavy boosters 2.) Make boosters actually work 3.) Increase RoF of my Missiles plz. I'm not going to blame the vctim. Cool story bro, but theres too many factors at play besides 'muh shield tank died once" - You know armor hardeners last longer than shields hardeners. - You knw that hardner have the same resistance damage per tier, so hiting a militia hardner is the same as a proto one, but a longer recharge time. - You knw that armor tanks have a ten secon rep window while you reload - You gave up tank for damage (because you said damage mods indicates at least two). Since your complaining about boosters you had one . That leaves you with one hardeners and one extender, or maybe even worse, two hardeners. - And went toe to toe. No ambush, he saw you coming, put up maybe both hardeners, soeaked up 80% of your XT damage and dealt you a solid stream of blaster fire, which you had little defense. Shield boosters cut out when under fire, you've been playing long enough to know that. Not that I disagree with you suggestions. - Shield Hardeners and shield boosters nead a reduced PG and CPU cost: Not becuase 'an armour tank touched me.' Becuase you cannot fit an all advanced/proto modules on an advanced / proto tank. The hardeners and boosters are a good example of shield modules tanking waaaaaay too much fitting space. - Boosters: Yes they need some work, but they are way down on the priority list. Keep it real, shield boosters arent at the forefront of the devs team's fixes. - Missile ROF: Yes i agree, and argued for months they should keep the old ROF. They need to be high alpha weapons, that what shield tanks are supposed to be good at. The reason why you have people here telling you to put hem on a missile tank is because they aren't high alpha anymore. Instead, they have become long strung out battles that you can only get into with armor hardners because, as stated above, they have a longer active duration than shield one. Its akin to putting rail rifles on a gallente assault. tl;dr: I agree with your buffs, bu not because of your story Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati vote Tesfa for CPM2
Random Tanker Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 0	Posted - 2015.08.03 06:53:00 - [22] - Quote lol To all the people complaining that shield tanks suck. Word of advise from a shield tanker, they have very little competitive fits. PS to General Mosquito: The gun depression is not broken it just worst then the madrugar.
Powerh8er Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 921	Posted - 2015.08.03 07:04:00 - [23] - Quote I have a fuel injector on my Gunnlogi. I call it the Funnlogi. Vodka and energydrink for breakfast = puke for lunch.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 07:11:00 - [24] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: You know something is broken when a Prototype XT-201 missile launcher (with dmg mods) and Gunnlogi GV.0 get destroyed by a Madrugar G/1 with basic blaster. (We both engaged each other face to face with hardeners activated and I didn't miss any missiles) Not only is the Large Missile horrible at killing armor tanks, shield tanks boosters are complete trash that fail you when you need it the most. Also, why the hell do the heavy shield boosters and shield hardeners take sooooo much resources. Gosh, give shield tanks a a buff by buffing or modules. 1.) reduce the cost of CPU n PG of shield hardeners and Shield heavy boosters 2.) Make boosters actually work 3.) Increase RoF of my Missiles plz. What? Something must have been wrong because it was your tank that should have gone pop. Missiles are the best at destroying armor tanks. He might hav also just had a bad fit. A good one is the following - Gunnie 2 extenders 2 hardeners Damage mod 2 CPU mods. Missile CEO of 48SOF - "The Trading Corp"
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 08:14:00 - [25] - Quote OP is right. Missiles were nerfed big time. Missiles absolutely should be viable at point blank range. Their weakness is volley then a reload. They should pack damage in that one volley at CQ. It's about alpha or nothing for shield tanks. Once again a Gal tank benefits from a Cal turret more than a Cal tank. I'm sick of rails being the go to noob fit as well the minute someone pulls a tank out. Needs to be a down side to rails. There really isn't as exemplified by everything ending up a rail fight almost every match. Missiles are worse at than rails with the tracking and shooting due to less damage per shot and reliance on the volley. The original spool up for rails needs to be reinstated. MY CPM2 PLATFORM
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 08:18:00 - [26] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: I have a fuel injector on my Gunnlogi. I call it the Funnlogi. That has been more useful to me than another extender or damage mod. Just get out, come around and fire at distance. MY CPM2 PLATFORM
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 594	Posted - 2015.08.03 11:51:00 - [27] - Quote gunnlogi cv.o 3x XT missiles complex shield hardner enhanced shield hardener complex shield extender enhanced heavy shield booster complex missile damage amp complex pwr gird upgrade complex cpu upgrade. will take a beating and smoke any tank you come across even those pesky maddys. for icing on the cake try to pick up 2 ''decent'' gunners for your turrets. run enhanced shield hardn vs infantry and keep complex on standby for tank fights. always try to have the surprise attack and raise shield hardeners befor firing and giving away position. caution may instantly die to Laser orbital strike. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521458/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521142 Oppose me and you shall incure my wrath.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 220	Posted - 2015.08.03 12:32:00 - [28] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: I'm sick of rails being the go to noob fit as well the minute someone pulls a tank out. Needs to be a down side to rails. There really isn't as exemplified by everything ending up a rail fight almost every match. Missiles are worse at than rails with the tracking and shooting due to less damage per shot and reliance on the volley. The original spool up for rails needs to be reinstated. Plenty of downside to rails. 1. More accuracy dependent. This also means more likely to be affected by poor network or client performance. 2. Ghost shots. 3. Only viable against infantry in a small set of circumstances. 4. No range advantage over missiles. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 12:33:00 - [29] - Quote If Missiles would be any good, people would use them in PC or more often in pubs/FW. Missiles are a joke compared to what they were. Moving aside all the stats, Railgun is just as good in cqc as at range. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 220	Posted - 2015.08.03 12:33:00 - [30] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: gunnlogi cv.o 3x XT missiles complex shield hardner enhanced shield hardener complex shield extender enhanced heavy shield booster complex missile damage amp complex pwr gird upgrade complex cpu upgrade. will take a beating and smoke any tank you come across even those pesky maddys. for icing on the cake try to pick up 2 ''decent'' gunners for your turrets. run enhanced shield hardn vs infantry and keep complex on standby for tank fights. always try to have the surprise attack and raise shield hardeners befor firing and giving away position. caution may instantly die to Laser orbital strike. Wow that fit is a joke right? The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu



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