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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:18:00 -
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What?
Missile Turret is best at destroying armor tanks.
Putting it on a crappy shield tank was your problem.
Missiles do not need a buff.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:20:00 -
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Also, what is wrong with you that you allowed the fight to happen at point blank range?
You have 6x the effective engagement range, and yet you decided to get in a brawl?
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:31:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
My Particle Cannon begs to differ.
No one cares about what your particle cannon says.
You whelp proto tanks to blaster maddies and cry on the forums afterwards.
Feel free to come at me with your rail tank, just don't bother with a shield tank, it won't help you.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:46:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
So you agree shield tanks are ****? Then why am I not allowed to post on the forums in order to bring them on par?
One, you shiptoasted the title, its misleading. There is nothing wrong with missile turrets that doesn't extend to the rest of the game. They might benefit from a very slight splash buff to move them to a better middle ground between blasters and rails, but that is a very fine line to walk. I don't think they need it.
Second, your anecdote has nothing to do with balance problems. You were a muppet and lost a tank.
Third, the problem with shield tanks is unlikely to get really fixed, because without a model rework, the gun depression will always be broken. A simple buff isn't the solution, especially until the shield booster actually works. Fix the shield booster, give them a higher absolute speed than maddies, and then see how they sort out.
It isn't that you aren't allowed to post, but badposting gets mocked. Badposting about being a scrub in a tank fight needs to be mocked for the good of all.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 04:11:00 -
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Shield tanks being crap is well known, and better discussed in many other threads on tanking.
Missile turrets are fine. I have a dual damage mod XT maddy fit that is pretty much the pub master. I will never not take a fight in that thing. It eats up all comers.
From a practical standpoint, missiles are better than rails. Less chance of lag screwing you, and you can still fight with some frame drops without your DPS going to crap. Also works better than rails against infantry most of the time.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 04:21:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
2: I always give a story behind the reason. It tells you exactly what got me thinking about the topic. Also, yes Missile turrets are pretty sh*t. Like I said, a blaster kills a shield tank faster than missiles kill armor. Also, missiles are completely useless against a shield tank where as Blaster turrets are viable at killing armor tanks.
The story doesn't matter, it was just you being bad. If you came out of that fight blaming the tank, you need to reevaluate your post fight thought process. You took a shield boosting missile tank into a brawl with a blaster tank. It was only going to end one way, the turret has nothing to do with it and you picked the wrong type of tank for going into a range fight.
Sir Dukey wrote:
If you think a Prototype Missile Launcher is good at killing PRO-ADV armor tanks, boy are you wrong. (Unless you run like 3 dmg mods which is not viable with a shield tank).
XTs are amazing at killing tanks.
Stop confusing the turret with the tank. You can run missiles on an armor hull.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 05:15:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
So you're calling me bad because I used a gunnlogi instead of madrugar. Hmm...
I can believe XTs are amazing at killing tanks as long as you are fighting militia scrubs.
You blamed the vehicle and the turret when your tactics were deeply flawed.
If you had to brawl with the tank, you should have gone with an armor tank. Given the tank meta, no shield tank is hanging around up close with a blaster, so you taking one into that situation and expecting it to do anything other than die suggests you are bad.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:32:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
I'm sick of rails being the go to noob fit as well the minute someone pulls a tank out. Needs to be a down side to rails. There really isn't as exemplified by everything ending up a rail fight almost every match. Missiles are worse at than rails with the tracking and shooting due to less damage per shot and reliance on the volley. The original spool up for rails needs to be reinstated.
Plenty of downside to rails.
1. More accuracy dependent. This also means more likely to be affected by poor network or client performance.
2. Ghost shots.
3. Only viable against infantry in a small set of circumstances.
4. No range advantage over missiles.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:33:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:gunnlogi cv.o
3x XT missiles
complex shield hardner
enhanced shield hardener
complex shield extender
enhanced heavy shield booster
complex missile damage amp
complex pwr gird upgrade
complex cpu upgrade.
will take a beating and smoke any tank you come across even those pesky maddys. for icing on the cake try to pick up 2 ''decent'' gunners for your turrets. run enhanced shield hardn vs infantry and keep complex on standby for tank fights. always try to have the surprise attack and raise shield hardeners befor firing and giving away position.
caution may instantly die to Laser orbital strike.
Wow that fit is a joke right?
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:36:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
So you're whole argument I am a bad tanker is based on me using a gunnlogi other than madrugar and I took gunnlogi in CQC.
Well get what bro, I take my railgun gunnlogi's in CQC too and often come out victorious. It's not me, it's the turret and you can also blame my faulty booster.
Only a poor mechanic blames his tools.
In this case, you died only because of all the foolish decisions you made, from tank type, to fit, to where to engage with what you had on field.
You went down the decision tree of tanking and made the wrong choices the whole way and then blame the tank and turret. That is what a scrub does.
I've seen you tank, you are bad. When I see you next, you will eat missiles and see that they are very nasty to die to.
You being bad doesn't mean shield tanks don't suck hard, but really, missiles are fine.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:53:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:
Could you post a viable armor/missile fit that works well in the current meta?
XT 201
2x 20gj Railguns
Enhanced Fuel Injector
2x Basic Missile Damage mods
Complex 120 plate
Enhanced Hardener
Complex Hardener
Complex Heavy rep
You can drop down to an enhanced plate for more mobility and damage, depending on your needs.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:06:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
Could you post a viable armor/missile fit that works well in the current meta?
XT 201 2x 20gj Railguns Enhanced Fuel Injector 2x Basic Missile Damage mods Complex 120 plate Enhanced Hardener Complex Hardener Complex Heavy rep You can drop down to an enhanced plate for more mobility and damage, depending on your needs. I use the small rails because I have small rail fitting op 5. Blasters work if you need the fitting space. I prefer rails incase I happen to get a non brickhead blue in my gunner seat. Its rare, but it does happen. Can you brawl 1 v 1 against a blaster fit, or do you need to engage from range?
As long as you don't fire empty, it can brawl out. You'll need seven or 9 on the reload depending on the plate they are running.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.03 23:14:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:
You called previous guy's fit a joke, yet you post "this"?
Basic damage mods..
It is a banging fit. If you were a tanker you would know that. It has a robust tank, good reps, and solid damage.
Sure you can step down to blasters so that you can run a single enhanced mod, but you lose so much DPS from the small rails that it isn't worth it if you ever play with people.
Running a single complex damage frees up a slot, but without the fitting to do anything with it. Running only a single enhanced damage mod means losing 2.5% missile damage in exchange for either a scanner or cru, both of which are a waste.
Would like to see your missile tank fit, because clearly you know whats what right?
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.04 00:20:00 -
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So 12% more large turret DPS while losing most of the small turret DPS, giving up the prop mod, and having worse rep?
No thanks.
BTW, you are wasting a ton of fitting on that second complex hardener, which isn't needed. And since you don't have a prop mod, if you get forced to double up, you aren't getting away.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.04 00:28:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:General Mosquito wrote:So 12% more large turret DPS while losing most of the small turret DPS, giving up the prop mod, and having worse rep?
No thanks. As I said, you can still fit that all while having better grades of mods as of yours. And, small turret DPS? Shall you explain?
Grades of mod only matter in certain circumstances.
With your skills up, one complex and one enhanced hardener can be cycled to create permahardened mode. Running the second complex is a waste of fitting.
Small turret DPS is simple. Rails do much more damage than blasters, and at much better ranges. By running blasters you severely reduce the DPS output of the vehicle when full.
Running without a prop mod is just ass.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.04 01:28:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:I don't doubt about it.
But these are AV fits, not a crew fit. Small turret (blaster) is there to get more fitting space (cpu).
About hardeners. Having faster cool downs is always better. And we all know that single hardened maddy is nothing but a free kill.
If I'm not mistaken (numbers from my head, should be good though), you can fit all complex lows with complex damage and a nitro + enough cpu for a scanner or mcru.
Complex is better than double standard.
Ps. I'm not refering to mountain/outside terrain as much as to more stable/townish terrain. I'm talking about my sentence "single hardened maddy is nothing but a free kill". It is when you can land all shots without any problems, what I meant.
Oh, so now its an AV fit, how nice of you to provide that particular detail now, instead of with your opening post.
Mine isn't an AV fit, it is a general purpose, take it everywhere and anywhere and mess stuff up.
A pure AV fit without a prop mod is garbage.
About hardeners: You keep wasting fitting on complex hardeners because you think it matters, clearly no one is going to break you of your complex = best opinion.
I'll look for you to bring it out when we get into a match together.
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