Also as for the LP exchange concept
Not bad but kinda can be sidestepped if we can simply trade gear
I think the trading solution is more interesting, but that's just me

I don't want this preface to be too long as I want to focus on primary points of the discussion at hand, so let me -try- to be brief.

To start off, Faction Warfare has always been a pretty hot topic. Originally the LP payouts were too low, no ISK payouts made it difficult to run, the design was originally intended to have synergy with player trading but it didn't come until -way- later.... It was, and in some places still is, a mess. So, I'd like to open up for a hardcore discussion among the entire community about how we all feel about FW and where we can improve it.

To do this, I feel that the best way to go about it is through Trello. So I've started up an FW Overhaul Trello specifically to keep track of formalized proposals and round-abouts what everyone is saying. This will be used to track formalized and general statements as opposed to every minor thing (it shouldn't be too cluttered).

I'm am going to -try my absolute best- to place cards in their respective categories based on where the majority of the community stands but given the discussion material there may come some ideas and proposals that we don't all agree on, so take that into account. Now, to explain how the Trello is formatted.

First of all, I'd like to divide Faction Warfare into a few separate components that we can use as the basis for our discussions.

1) Where does Faction Warfare fall short?
- This category is reserved for what we feel that Faction Warfare does wrong and can be improved upon.

2) What does Faction Warfare do right?
- This category is reserved for what we feel that Faction Warfare does right and should be retained.

3) What do we want Faction Warfare to do?
- This category is for all the hopes, dreams, ambitions and what have you as to what we want FW to do.

4) What could we realistically change, given our barriers (minimal development budget), to improve on Faction Warfare?
- This category is what we could REALISTICALLY change based on the fact that we have limited resources (development budget) and there are things that are just plain out of our control (Eve Online support/factors).

I've taken the liberty of adding in a few cards of what -I personally feel- belongs in these categories. How do you feel about the FW situation? Discuss.

So you started a group of ur fanboy yes men and big surprise they all unanimous ... Lol .. Nobody is in agreement that we should continue to let people play for all factions and still call it loyalty... Disloyal bishs like you are RUINING this game.. Scrub

Why not both?

As respectable as loyalty is the EVE FW system does not prevent switching factions as you wish......that being said it does come with penalties and hurdles to jump over.

Because exchanging LP hurts the trade mechanic.

Supply and demand is affected if everyone can get what they want on their own. If you want something buy or trade for it. It is how things work in New Eden.

I would agree with you if the trading system was as robust as it is in EVE.

However what we have is cumbersome and entirely unreliable. Not to mention you're completely locked out of gear if you just happen to not know anyone with the gear that's willing to part with it.

Let the traders trade what they can to the people who can't play FW enough to save up enough to comfortably take that conversion loss, and let the guys who are willing to grind it out, grind it out.

Yea like 24 hour waiting for joining or leaving a faction. And you can't access a faction LP store while not actively enlisted.

I'm actually a really big fan of Mina's reminder of the MWO model in which players can opt in on contracts for a faction. This I feel expresses more what Factional Warfare is than any model suggested thus far. Remember of course we are not actually a part of any military in New Eden and are merely endorsed as privateers/paramilitaries by the governments to fight in their proxy wars.

Under that model it allows players to determine the amount of time they wish to spend fighting for a faction, either the 7,14,28, or indefinite contracts each with their own corresponding LP modifiers and penalties for breaking contract.

It present the concept of loyalty in a mature and flexible manner.

Beyond that there are a few more things I'd like to see even if not likely to be iterated upon but those in another post since I haven't fully collected my thoughts.

Paraphrase it for me, I have Mina blocked and posts hidden.

Basically its a system drawn from Mechwarrior Online in which players can sign on to factions by picking contracts for set periods of time.

Each contract type also has a corresponding LP modifier which increases depending on how long you sign up. Contracts however can be betrayed of course so as not to lock players into FW factions they don't want to be a part of but those contrcts broken penalize players.

I find it amusing that there are things being brought up in this thread that were brought up 1-1/2 years ago that were ignored then and are now like ******* scripture.

I wonder how things would've gone had they listened then?

I am hoping that they listen this time around.