What if they made a shield module that was based around a "shield" reactive plate?

Basically: It gives some hp (smaller than extender) and gives shield regen... when running. (This shield regen being independent of other types of shield regen) This way it promotes shields to be done on the move, and helps to enhance their appeal in quick movement / skirmish situations.

Also, make the Shield Energizer provide (in addition to its other bonuses) a bonus to threshold. (not a big one, but something to help make the module more attractive.)

All of this and a ball of twine.

First, I would like to point out, threshold is for all suits.
Raise this too high and that's the end of that.

Second, we have brainstormed time and time again over possible equipment/augment/tools, with no response.

Third, at this point I've lost any hope of an answer to shield users laments.


We could have 3 types of extenders...
We could have better racial skillboosts...
We could have tools and equipment...



But we don't, and most likely never will.

[Bittervetting intensifies]

I don't really feel as though the regen, or even the "threshold" which sounds like a made up CCP thing. Is the issue. I really think it just needs an hp buff and a pg/cpu reduction

Whelp shield regen is gonna effect all the suits. Not just shield suits. Also I already have a high regen. It's not working. It's not working for any of us. It should be a Caldari bonus, to have more shield hp at a lower cost

Or caldari suit's shield's could constantly regen... Given the massive DPS from weapon's, it'd balance itself out. And in exchange we can remove the native armor repairs to the caldari suit.

Also I'm pretty sure I'd rather just have a Caldari bonus to shield hp at a lower cost. Which it should already be a lower cost, than what it is now

I don't believe that these changes will directly effect the ScR. That gun just tears through anything. That's a separate issue, in my opinion. But all the guns tear through shields, and ARs are supposed to get a buff soon. Ratatti's vision of a more perfect Gallente game.

Also I'm pretty sure I'd rather just have a Caldari bonus to shield hp at a lower cost. Which it should already be a lower cost, than what it is now

I hate when i hear people say 'caldari characters should stay at long range, where shields are more effective'

1- how the hell are we supposed to do that, given the current map design?? Every single objective, in every map (except maybe one) are enclosed within buildings and cover -> range is completely useless

2- what the hell does fight at range means? use a long range weapon? like what? the RR can be used by any suit class. tell you what, armor users use the RR even better than whatever caldari suit (except maybe cal commando) because of the damage mods (and at the same time have high hp)

3- the ScR still has a quite long range, and completely annihilates shields as we shield users all know too well

Furthermore:

4- as previously stated, treshold would be beneficial, but useless if you don't have enough hp to survive. same with regen and delay. what do i do with high regen if i can't pop out long enough to kill someone?

5- as stated, fluxes

6- AR is apparently going to be buffed?

7- as stated, non-sense fitting requirements

Also, keep in mind that buffing/adding shield modules will also affect minnie suits, and i don't want to know what would happen if the minnassault was buffed more.

Plus, racial bonus for assault: reload time. seriously?

I hate when i hear people say 'caldari characters should stay at long range, where shields are more effective'

People that state that completely ignore the fact that range has more to do with weapon and that shields give no inherent advantage to being at range. Weapon is the easiest to go with.

"Fight at range; that's where Caldari win!"
This is entirely dependent on a weapon rather than the suit's defensive choice. An Amarr Assault with a Rail Rifle or Scrambler Rifle (they have similar range, yes?) is just as good at long range as a Caldari Assault with a Rail Rifle of Scrambler Rifle. Fighting at range means you are likely getting the first shot (surprise) and your targets may be using a weapon that is incapable of harming you. In those conditions, it often doesn't matter what your defensive stats are. You could be in a naked Scout suit and still probably be in a not terrible spot. It has almost nothing to do with the suit itself; range is all about the weapon.

The fact that one of the only arguments for Shields not being inferior is essentially "fight in areas where the enemy is incapable of hurting you" doesn't bode well. Seriously: what is the difference between an Amarr Assault with X weapon at 50 meters and a Caldari Assault with X weapon at 50 meters? What would happen if they were put at 15 meters?

The next part is the belief that a Shield suit is somehow superior to an Armor suit at range. As stated above, it has more to do with weapon but even then they are probably equivalent. An Amarr Assault can throw out some of their Plates for Repairers and essentially do the "I have less EHP but I regain health fast" shtick of Shields. The Caldari suit doesn't get some special bonus for being far away. Anyone can do it.

It isn't that Shield suits are better at long range compared to Armor; it is that Shield suits are quite bad at close range compared to Armor. At close range, it is more often a DPS race with some variables. Shields, naturally, have lower EHP than Armor so they are worse at close range fighting where shots are a lot more likely to hit. So it becomes a "I am not better at long range, which is where I guess I am supposed to fight, and I am worse than you at close range" sort of deal.

When people say "Play the Caldari right! Fight at range, flank the opponent, and don't just Rambo into the enemy team!" they are basically saying "play better to overcome your inherent weaknesses."
If one side can "play better" and utilize strategy like favorable fights, flanking, and map awareness but can also be Rambo while the other side is essentially relegated to only "playing better", how is that not an obvious weakness? If one side requires X for Y result and the other requires X+2 for Y result, is that not the definition of underpowered?

Think of it this way:
Since the nerfing of the Bumblebee, there have only been two Shield suits that have come to the forefront enough to earn the ire of the forums. The first is the Caldari Scout. It has amazing Shield stats; seriously, ever Caldari suit needs to get base recharge, delay, and depleted like these (I think that is one of the problems). It is also very fast and has the incredibly powerful Cloaking tool as well as having the best overall bonuses.

The second is the reworked/buffed Minmatar Assault dropsuit. It had Scout like speed and still boasted a fairly decent EHP. It was a good suit.

It took two suits that pretty much everyone was in agreement were too powerful, for a Shield suit to be considered decent.

Bump

They are lol. Caldari needs their Base regen and Base delay numbers fixed. Now it's 5 and 6 six seconds for delay. Make it 3 and 5. Keep hp the same and change Base regen to 40 and shields might make a comeback. Lower hp, higher and faster regen: the way Shields are meant to be.

But when we buff Shields we'll nerf armour -.- as always.

CCP, KEEP ARMOUR THE SAME WHEN BUFFING SHIELDS, DO NOT TOUCH IT!

Have you guys seen what awesome stuff you can do with Shields on the Balac's Assault officer suit? Now just imagine all shields were as powerful as this......

3x Complex Extenders, 2x Complex Energizers, 2x Complex Regulators

I am literally performing better with that than I ever was before, even when I used Scrambler Rifles stacked with Damage Modifiers.

What everyone needs to realize is the beauty of the Caldari Assault Suit is when you use it to pick and choose your engagements. When I hang out at medium range and take cover whenever my shields get low, I am a serious threat. If you use Caldari suits like the Caldari intended, you will win.

Its not useless. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be buffed.

I use that fitting pretty much as well, can still fight up close. But having to use two low slots for a module that should have stacking penalty speaks volumes for how the shield suits are underpowered.

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