Why would you use it than?

Serious question: if it only makes Shields recharge slightly sooner, why use it over the WP factory that is also useful when the target is taking damage?

It is one of the problems of such a tool.

when using the rep tool you clearly know you need to find a suit with armour because shield cannot be repped.

i have a suggestion there could be a creation of a new rep tool or add multi functions to existing rep tools.

PROPOSITION: rather than repping shield (which would possibly be OP) the repair tool would decrease shield recharge delay and shield depleted times significantly. for different tiers the reduction would be significantly greater. (basically its like a regulator)

(theoretical) examples:
basic: 40% reduction
advanced: 60% reduction
proto: 80% reduction

(republic pro: 95% reduction)

Never going to happen stop asking for a damn Shield Repair Tool. Start thinking of a Shield Booster Tool.

when using the rep tool you clearly know you need to find a suit with armour because shield cannot be repped.

i have a suggestion there could be a creation of a new rep tool or add multi functions to existing rep tools.

PROPOSITION: rather than repping shield (which would possibly be OP) the repair tool would decrease shield recharge delay and shield depleted times significantly. for different tiers the reduction would be significantly greater. (basically its like a regulator)

(theoretical) examples:
basic: 40% reduction
advanced: 60% reduction
proto: 80% reduction

(republic pro: 95% reduction)

Shield repair tool as described already exists: Its called cover. Its everywhere, get in some.

You are just being a ****. Shields NEED a piece of equipment to support them.

Or make a shield tool that reps in cycles and have the rep tool do the same. So instead of per second, it does the total rep amount at the beginning of a new cycle

how about a tool that gets rid of the delay altogether and allows for the shields to rep at their natural rate all while increasing that rate by 5% 10% and 15% respectively

Here's the thing: rep tools are meant for heavy fighting, which is armor territory, not for shields.

Triage hives, however, don't make sense. Caldari logis get a bonus to them, but caldari don't need armor reps.
Instead, triage hives should lower recharge delay and boost recharge speed while you're inside them.

That fits with the caldari fighting style that is siege warfare.

Here's the thing: rep tools are meant for heavy fighting, which is armor territory, not for shields.

Triage hives, however, don't make sense. Caldari logis get a bonus to them, but caldari don't need armor reps.
Instead, triage hives should lower recharge delay and boost recharge speed while you're inside them.

That fits with the caldari fighting style that is siege warfare.

High quantity ammo availability would be a part of siege warfare, one would think.

well obviously there would be WP rewards implemented to reward users of the tool. for my proposition i would much prefer it to implemented to existing rep tool e.g the core repair tool, so you get all existing points and additional for regulating shields. e.g 10 points for shield regulation every 2 seconds that you are regulating the individual

Shield repair tool as described already exists: Its called cover. Its everywhere, get in some.

,Shields arn't supposed to be repped. shield suits are designed, not for prolonged fights. but rather quick 'pop up shoot/duck n recharge' kinda fights. maybe if people used them correctly instead of thinking every suit has to be a full on GRRRR!! suit they might have a bit more luck.

Here's the thing: rep tools are meant for heavy fighting, which is armor territory, not for shields.

Triage hives, however, don't make sense. Caldari logis get a bonus to them, but caldari don't need armor reps.
Instead, triage hives should lower recharge delay and boost recharge speed while you're inside them.

That fits with the caldari fighting style that is siege warfare.

The comment was ****-ish, sure, but as it is shields have 2 different modules for optimization (doing what the OP calls for in a seperate equipment) so really the only missing element is the discretion of the user ie. cover use and engagement selection.

The rest of this is replogis not understanding that repping is only a fraction of what you need to be doing in battle. Theres plenty of work to be done, get to it and quit crying for more WP hydrants. When that shield frame drops into armor you can leash and rep him.

So one suit has the ability to fight at close range, long range (use a long range weapon), has support of multiple different equipment, can utilize cover, and can also decide to give up EHP for the ability to Repair faster

The other is supposed to always fight at long range and use cover.

Do you see the problem here? Even with Shields "being used right!" they still don't end up being better than Armor "being used wrong!"

The concepts of Shields and Armor in this game are different than in EVE, more or less. Shields are meant to be "restores fast, lower EHP" and Armor "restores slow, higher EHP." This could work but there are currently too many balancing factors. Shields have no outside assistance from equipment while Armor does. Shields have multiple kinds of stats, skill points, and items to help them while armor only has HP and Repair, which makes Armor easier to utilize over all. Shield suits usually don't have that amazing of base Shield stats (depleted, recharge, HP/S.)

There are a lot of problems and it is a sticky thing to try to fix.

[quote=se7ensaints][quote=Joseph Ridgeson]Why would you use it than?

Serious question: if it only makes Shields recharge slightly sooner, why use it over the WP factory that is also useful when the target is taking damage?

There are a lot of problems and it is a sticky thing to try to fix.

Armor players dont like change or god forbid competition from shield suits. Armor can just aswell utilise cover like shields and fight at long range cause nothing stops them from fitting a rail rifle. Its even worse cause armor can fight better at long range cause a proto amarr/gal. assault can fit tripple damage mods which makes them a better choice. They can aswell utilise armor repping hives to have a constant HP regen which outclasses any shield regen.
So armor can do the "shield suit" tactics more efficent like this:

-Ranged combat
armor suits can fit damage mods and a rail rifle making them instantly superior over the caldari assault

-Cover tactics
armor suits can utilise armor repping hives like the allotek hive which reps 40hp/s. Put down 2 and you have 80HP/s which outlcasses allmost every shield suit fit.

-Close range combat
not just that armor has more HP and more damage for close range fights they can aswell make use of precision enhancers where their 30m scan can pick everything up except scouts.

-WP farming advantage
some DOM maps cannot be won without armor heavys and logis and even if you manage to make a push you get instantly thrown off the point by a OB that one logi earned by himself (im looking at you 4000WP minlogis).

-higher HP and insane HP regen with a logi
how are bricktanked heavys that have a damage mod and a logi balanced vs a shield tanked heavy? The armor heavy has more HP, more damage and can be farmed by a logi for WP.

So now tell me where is the drawback of armor tanking apart from a movement penalty on plates? Cause i barely notice anything and even worse is that there is no weapon in the game (apart from massdrivers) that deals +20% damage vs armor. And we all know that massdrivers are useless vs sentinels due to their resistance vs splash damage.

in addition you also have to remember shield is the first line of defence against an attack armour is your last resort of defence if someone surprise attacks you with armour you quickly realise you've lost your shield but you have armour left to counter that person. with shield on the other hand you shield will dissipate your main defence gone and all you have is the little armour on your suit to keep you alive.