DUST Search - Shield repair tool?

se7ensaints wrote:

el OPERATOR wrote:

Echo 1991 wrote:

el OPERATOR wrote:

Shield repair tool as described already exists: Its called cover. Its everywhere, get in some.

You are just being a ****. Shields NEED a piece of equipment to support them.

The comment was ****-ish, sure, but as it is shields have 2 different modules for optimization (doing what the OP calls for in a seperate equipment) so really the only missing element is the discretion of the user ie. cover use and engagement selection.

The rest of this is replogis not understanding that repping is only a fraction of what you need to be doing in battle. Theres plenty of work to be done, get to it and quit crying for more WP hydrants. When that shield frame drops into armor you can leash and rep him.

shield at such an advantage why don't you give me a grenade type weapon which gets rid of all armour in 1 throw of any individual in a 5 metre radius. even then i don't think shield and armour will be on the same playing terms.
i don't care about war points neither i have no skills in logging not even 1 point in rep tool. i just see an area in the game which needs to be enriched and formulate an innovative proposition tor try and fill the gap.
if you cannot give creative and constructive criticism without labelling people who are forming together to create a better dust then i suggest you GTFO.


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el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.27 16:59:00 - [1] - Quote Shield repair tool as described already exists: Its called cover. Its everywhere, get in some. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.27 19:18:00 - [2] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Shield repair tool as described already exists: Its called cover. Its everywhere, get in some. You are just being a **. Shields NEED a piece of equipment to support them. The comment was **-ish, sure, but as it is shields have 2 different modules for optimization (doing what the OP calls for in a seperate equipment) so really the only missing element is the discretion of the user ie. cover use and engagement selection. The rest of this is replogis not understanding that repping is only a fraction of what you need to be doing in battle. Theres plenty of work to be done, get to it and quit crying for more WP hydrants. When that shield frame drops into armor you can leash and rep him. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.27 20:32:00 - [3] - Quote "Hardly" broken is broken. And broken things in here, when theyre broken, tend to be broken as ****. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.27 20:37:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here's the thing: rep tools are meant for heavy fighting, which is armor territory, not for shields. Triage hives, however, don't make sense. Caldari logis get a bonus to them, but caldari don't need armor reps. Instead, triage hives should lower recharge delay and boost recharge speed while you're inside them. That fits with the caldari fighting style that is siege warfare. I could see a shield regen modifier added to triage hives, it'd actually have to be less than what modules produce imo however since its effects would be stacking with the mods for the same thing that suits have on board. Last thing the game needs is CalMandos with the modified shields and regen of modified CalScouts. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.27 20:55:00 - [5] - Quote High quantity ammo availability would be a part of siege warfare, one would think. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 16:41:00 - [6] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: High quantity ammo availability would be a part of siege warfare, one would think. Everyone can allready carry 6 nanohives. No need for cal. logis and their silly bonus. So what? They still can't deploy more than the max of them at any one time wheras the Cals when deployed have bigger bubbles and work proportionately faster so one hive seems like more. Multiple hives? HUGE impact. So many of you keep discrediting the bonus when is actuality it's a solid, good bonus when used instead of cried about. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 16:44:00 - [7] - Quote GRIMm grin wrote: Also the problem with just throwing down hives as a "siege tactic" 1 flux, what then? The hives are gone my shields are gone what armor do I have maybe a little over 300 depending on how it's fitted and that's almost instant death Throw another one down or spread them out so one flux won't destroy (the bubbles at pro are bigger than a flux, protip) or move your ass to a better spot. Part of siege is you control the traffic flow so if you're being fluxed you're probably not actually sieging you're just parked. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 17:31:00 - [8] - Quote se7ensaints wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Shield repair tool as described already exists: Its called cover. Its everywhere, get in some. You are just being a **. Shields NEED a piece of equipment to support them. The comment was *-ish, sure, but as it is shields have 2 different modules for optimization (doing what the OP calls for in a seperate equipment) so really the only missing element is the discretion of the user ie. cover use and engagement selection. The rest of this is replogis not understanding that repping is only a fraction of what you need to be doing in battle. Theres plenty of work to be done, get to it and quit crying for more WP hydrants. When that shield frame drops into armor you can leash and rep him. shield at such an advantage why don't you give me a grenade type weapon which gets rid of all armour in 1 throw of any individual in a 5 metre radius. even then i don't think shield and armour will be on the same playing terms. i don't care about war points neither i have no skills in logging not even 1 point in rep tool. i just see an area in the game which needs to be enriched and formulate an innovative proposition tor try and fill the gap. if you cannot give creative and constructive criticism without labelling people who are forming together to create a better dust then i suggest you GTFO. I've been in DUST running all branches of Logistics from all of the frames at proto for a very long time. Is there room to improve? Sure. Are there constantly poor ideas floated out that get support by the masses? Yes. Do I think a shield repper is one of them? Yes. Will I continue to populate any and every thread on these forums to say so as I see fit? Yes. Those who'd like to see repping bonuses spread thoughout the Logistics Class I would refer to Cross Atus logistics proposal which spreads all* the currently exclusive bonuses across the class to varying degrees so as to create the performance bonus access you're looking for. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 17:33:00 - [9] - Quote Meanwhile, quit trying to gimp my logi please. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 17:42:00 - [10] - Quote Shields already benefit from having more beneficial modules, better regen times, and no movement penalties. Could the extenders use a buff? Yes, but thats a different thread. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR

el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 17:50:00 - [11] - Quote And lets be clear that I am less worried about the impact a shield repper existing will have and more worried about losing what is a good, productive bonus for my CalLogi in its current bonusing to hive use. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 17:51:00 - [12] - Quote And pretty sure all shields have regen regardless of module, which is another benefit to shields- repper built in already always. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 18:17:00 - [13] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Seriously for the 1000th time and for the love of god.... Remote repairing shields would NOT be in ANY WAY OP. Why on earth is there this myth that remote repaired shield would somehow become invincibility mode or something. Scramblers will still shred your shields even WITH a remote shield transfer on you. No wonder this game has had so many 'bumps' in the road (as it were) we have had crazy DEVS that come out with stupid ideas before they decide to abandon ship.... and we have crazy players that spout rubbish all over the forums. No wonder.. hm... such a short memory for things that were probably great ideas on paper but were OP as hell in practice. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 18:24:00 - [14] - Quote Pretty sure consensus on the ScR btw is that its brokenly OP so the idea that we'll add elements that'll be balanced by virtue of broken elements is indeed forum rubbish. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 20:20:00 - [15] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Shield repair tool as described already exists: Its called cover. Its everywhere, get in some. You are just being a **. Shields NEED a piece of equipment to support them. The comment was **-ish, sure, but as it is shields have 2 different modules for optimization (doing what the OP calls for in a seperate equipment) so really the only missing element is the discretion of the user ie. cover use and engagement selection. The rest of this is replogis not understanding that repping is only a fraction of what you need to be doing in battle. Theres plenty of work to be done, get to it and quit crying for more WP hydrants. When that shield frame drops into armor you can leash and rep him. Calling it "more WP hydrants" is kind of misleading, its not about getting more WP, you can already get absurd amount of WP with the armor repair tools. This is about balancing shield meta game against armor meta game. Logis wont be getting more points, since this is an alternative to an existing mechanic (the rep tool), not an additional mechanic that will be in effect at the same time. I dont think its too much to ask that people who want to run Caldari gear have an option like the rep tool available, even if its mechanics are slightly different. It is a new hydrant tho in the sense that with a shield reptool logis will sit and rep shields, gleaning wp, until the damage is into armor where they'll switch tools, sit and rep armor, gleaning more wp. I don't think its too much to ask but when the answer consistently comes back as a no it is a bit much to just keep asking over and over. Especially when its in the context of removing something else that works fine. The shield vs armor balance discrepency is purely hp, imo, buff those extenders and call it a day. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 20:52:00 - [16] - Quote Shields aren't trash. I don't think in all my playing time I've built a single fit that didn't have something on it for shields except the time I ran a (whatever)-1 without shields, got smoked quick and said, "well that was a dumb idea". They just aren't armor so the playstyle is different. Adding to the shieldmeta to make it more like the armormeta would be a homogenization, no? An "equalizing" that really is just a normalizing? You want to stand and brawl, get some armor. You want to hit and run go shields. You want a racial class but to play with a different style then mod it up but accept you aren't going to perform identically as the racial rooted in that style. You'll be competitive but not identical. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 21:29:00 - [17] - Quote So why after all this time and after so many threads for a shield reptool hasn't anyone proposed that the existing tool just also apply a delay eliminator/slight regen booster at the same time as it reps armor? Did it come up and I miss it? Wouldn't that satisfy the shield support folks AND the no-more leashes crowd? Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 21:30:00 - [18] - Quote lol did it get suggested and I plc'd it with my patented point-blank logic technique? Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR