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Talos Vagheitan wrote:

Bright Cloud wrote:

Talos Vagheitan wrote:

Regarding team deploy restricted to PC.

I actually feel cautiously optimistic that might be the best move.

Q syncing will still be much easier anyways with 2 8-man squads.

If you need 2 squad leaders to deploy 16 players into a match then it is one too much. If people are going to q-sync anyway then at least make their lives easier by adding team deploy to FW. Cause in the end of the day when one of the squad leaders is not deploying into the same match then they are cancelling the search an try again. Which then leads to FW matches starting with 8 people down on one side.

Like always, there are a few things to consider.

- Balance issue potential
- Condensing the majority of FW into a single match. Perhaps randoms will say "well, I'm not in the big team deploy, there's clearly no point in playing FW". I would worry FW might downgrade into two teams that play each other over and over.
- Like above, lack of diversity amongst players.

It's not like these issues don't exist already mind you, but that doesn't mean we should design the game to make these flaws worse. Eventually, making FW battles 32v32, or even larger would help this.

But even then, we boil down to the problem of the small community to begin with.

End of the day, I just think we're being a little too premature with the freakouts on this matter. FW (along with a lot of other features) is getting a huge improvement. Let's remember that.

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One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.24 16:44:00 - [31] - Quote This sounds awesome! I very much look forward to Raiding. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 16:50:00 - [32] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Regarding team deploy restricted to PC. I actually feel cautiously optimistic that might be the best move. Q syncing will still be much easier anyways with 2 8-man squads. If you need 2 squad leaders to deploy 16 players into a match then it is one too much. If people are going to q-sync anyway then at least make their lives easier by adding team deploy to FW. Cause in the end of the day when one of the squad leaders is not deploying into the same match then they are cancelling the search an try again. Which then leads to FW matches starting with 8 people down on one side. Like always, there are a few things to consider. - Balance issue potential - Condensing the majority of FW into a single match. Perhaps randoms will say "well, I'm not in the big team deploy, there's clearly no point in playing FW". I would worry FW might downgrade into two teams that play each other over and over. - Like above, lack of diversity amongst players. It's not like these issues don't exist already mind you, but that doesn't mean we should design the game to make these flaws worse. Eventually, making FW battles 32v32, or even larger would help this. But even then, we boil down to the problem of the small community to begin with. End of the day, I just think we're being a little too premature with the freakouts on this matter. FW (along with a lot of other features) is getting a huge improvement. Let's remember that. Official CPM Platform
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 388	Posted - 2015.06.24 16:56:00 - [33] - Quote So will a raid just be like a normal match where you have to declare your attack and wait for a small ice age? or will it be almost instant and you fight whatever the enemy can muster at that that time? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:03:00 - [34] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: So will a raid just be like a normal match where you have to declare your attack and wait for a small ice age? or will it be almost instant and you fight whatever the enemy can muster at that that time? Thats something i like to know cause the original concept was that you could launch raid matches that are ignoring the district timer. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Deputy Ivanna JakinUnoff US Border Patrol 241	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:09:00 - [35] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Regarding team deploy restricted to PC. I actually feel cautiously optimistic that might be the best move. Q syncing will still be much easier anyways with 2 8-man squads. If you need 2 squad leaders to deploy 16 players into a match then it is one too much. If people are going to q-sync anyway then at least make their lives easier by adding team deploy to FW. Cause in the end of the day when one of the squad leaders is not deploying into the same match then they are cancelling the search an try again. Which then leads to FW matches starting with 8 people down on one side. But this would turn FW into a slaughter fest with today's non-existing matchmaking and unable to select your target district. Right now smaller squads can make a difference since it takes time to manage a full q-sync. I have waited up to an hour (or more) before entering one game. How many FW games have passed during that time? Platoons in FW would basically require an overhaul where we can select our target, and make a conscious choice of what opponents to face. There is no match making in FW. Prepared to get slaughtered I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve. McLovin for CPBM2
Deputy Ivanna JakinUnoff US Border Patrol 241	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:11:00 - [36] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Regarding team deploy restricted to PC. I actually feel cautiously optimistic that might be the best move. Q syncing will still be much easier anyways with 2 8-man squads. If you need 2 squad leaders to deploy 16 players into a match then it is one too much. If people are going to q-sync anyway then at least make their lives easier by adding team deploy to FW. Cause in the end of the day when one of the squad leaders is not deploying into the same match then they are cancelling the search an try again. Which then leads to FW matches starting with 8 people down on one side. Like always, there are a few things to consider. - Balance issue potential - Condensing the majority of FW into a single match. Perhaps randoms will say "well, I'm not in the big team deploy, there's clearly no point in playing FW". I would worry FW might downgrade into two teams that play each other over and over. - Like above, lack of diversity amongst players. It's not like these issues don't exist already mind you, but that doesn't mean we should design the game to make these flaws worse. Eventually, making FW battles 32v32, or even larger would help this. But even then, we boil down to the problem of the small community to begin with. End of the day, I just think we're being a little too premature with the freakouts on this matter. FW (along with a lot of other features) is getting a huge improvement. Let's remember that. Let's not forget performance issues. This is dust remember I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve. McLovin for CPBM2
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:12:00 - [37] - Quote Deputy Ivanna JakinUnoff wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Regarding team deploy restricted to PC. I actually feel cautiously optimistic that might be the best move. Q syncing will still be much easier anyways with 2 8-man squads. If you need 2 squad leaders to deploy 16 players into a match then it is one too much. If people are going to q-sync anyway then at least make their lives easier by adding team deploy to FW. Cause in the end of the day when one of the squad leaders is not deploying into the same match then they are cancelling the search an try again. Which then leads to FW matches starting with 8 people down on one side. But this would turn FW into a slaughter fest with today's non-existing matchmaking and unable to select your target district. Right now smaller squads can make a difference since it takes time to manage a full q-sync. I have waited up to an hour (or more) before entering one game. How many FW games have passed during that time? Platoons in FW would basically require an overhaul where we can select our target, and make a conscious choice of what opponents to face. There is no match making in FW. Prepared to get slaughtered Ofcourse there is no matchmaking but the game prefers to pick squads over randoms to fill a match. And if two platoons would que then its very much likely that they are ending up fighting each other. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:20:00 - [38] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: The Devblog was looking promising and i actually was considering to buy a Skin with AUR from the market to reward CCP for their development. But nope ive changed my mind once i saw that Platoons are PC only. You dont listen to me but you listen to people who pay money for the game. Having the mechanic in the game is the first step. Now we only have to convince him it is a good idea to add it for FW. At least you won't have the Que synch with 3 separate squads anymore to get a full team. Synching two 8 man squads will be much easier than Synching 3 squads. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Interstellar Marine Ishukone Nova Knives 44	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:24:00 - [39] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: The Devblog was looking promising and i actually was considering to buy a Skin with AUR from the market to reward CCP for their development. But nope ive changed my mind once i saw that Platoons are PC only. You dont listen to me but you listen to people who pay money for the game. Having the mechanic in the game is the first step. Now we only have to convince him it is a good idea to add it for FW. At least you won't have the Que synch with 3 separate squads anymore to get a full team. Synching two 8 man squads will be much easier than Synching 3 squads. Exactly, positivity! ¬!¬!
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 8	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:31:00 - [40] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: Good ****. I can't wait to see the power change. 'cause it's about damn time. EDIT: Yo wtf? Make platoons for FW too. >:( NOT COOL! Lolpowerchange Lol Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. CBM In the CPM Get Dust ISK Here

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 8	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:32:00 - [41] - Quote Anyways what's the eta for this. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. CBM In the CPM Get Dust ISK Here
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:05:00 - [42] - Quote People need to remember that syncing 2 8man squads will still objectively be easier than syncing 3 squads. Whether or not we can deploy platoons to FW, syncing just got simpler. This is a step in the right direction. Before everyone begins freaking out about the dk store, reread the blog and notice they are placeholders. They're just there to hold the space until the actual items CCP intends to be there are ready. No different than your friend putting your popcorn in the seat next to them to hold a place for you while you use the bathroom. The items in the screenshot are not what's going to be offered. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:41:00 - [43] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: The Devblog was looking promising and i actually was considering to buy a Skin with AUR from the market to reward CCP for their development. But nope ive changed my mind once i saw that Platoons are PC only. You dont listen to me but you listen to people who pay money for the game. Hang on. You mean its unusual for a company to listen to its paying customers? Mind blown at this concept Its almost like these customers are funding iterative change in the game. How dare they listen to them!! I demand my money back!!!!!! CPM 2 Candidate CEO of DUST University
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:48:00 - [44] - Quote What happens if somemone reroll daily missions? Double CP? Regressed to blueberry level. Now fitting shield regulators on gal suits & afterburners on HAVs and LAVs.
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:48:00 - [45] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: The Devblog was looking promising and i actually was considering to buy a Skin with AUR from the market to reward CCP for their development. But nope ive changed my mind once i saw that Platoons are PC only. You dont listen to me but you listen to people who pay money for the game. Hang on. You mean its unusual for a company to listen to its paying customers? Mind blown at this concept Its almost like these customers are funding iterative change in the game. How dare they listen to them!! I demand my money back!!!!!! P2W CONFIRMED!!!!!!!! Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:49:00 - [46] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: The Devblog was looking promising and i actually was considering to buy a Skin with AUR from the market to reward CCP for their development. But nope ive changed my mind once i saw that Platoons are PC only. You dont listen to me but you listen to people who pay money for the game. Hang on. You mean its unusual for a company to listen to its paying customers? Mind blown at this concept Its almost like these customers are funding iterative change in the game. How dare they listen to them!! I demand my money back!!!!!! I was actually thinking back to the halcyon days when game developers were outraged that their efforts to provide entertainment to the massed had to be pawed off to publishers for filthy lucre! After all, every single developer absolutely wishes their efforts be rewarded with a hearty pat on the back and a "Good show old chap!" from that british guy across the street. Because Paying customers are fools who deserve nothing but the contempt of the cheap elite. Confirming that people who are loud, obnoxious and loudly say "I'm not going to help you earn your paychecks or fund the improvements i demand!" are the greatest among us. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:50:00 - [47] - Quote shaman oga wrote: What happens if somemone reroll daily missions? Double CP? Rerolls only affect unfinished missions last I checked so max total CP value is a constant per merc regardless of rerolls AFAIK. CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 388	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:57:00 - [48] - Quote also why still just Molden Heath? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.24 19:04:00 - [49] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: also why still just Molden Heath? because the playerbase isn't big enough to justify expansion to wider regions WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.06.24 19:29:00 - [50] - Quote Does PC have more than 10 FPS now? Also what's that little bit about changing surface infrastructure? Is that just another pie in the sky promise or is that actually coming? And if so, how's it work?

Piercing Serenity Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 935	Posted - 2015.06.24 19:58:00 - [51] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Anyways what's the eta for this. Probably two weeks from today (Wednesday, July 7th - After the 4th of July) I got enemies, got a lot of enemies , got a lot of people tryna drain me of this energy
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:08:00 - [52] - Quote As much as i love the game, with every update i look at all the cool s**t coming in and i'm forced to think what this game could have been like if all this stuff had come in 1-2yrs ago when we had a decent playerbase. its nice to see things moving forward and i hope that a lot of it is being built ready to port the game to PC and eventually current gen home consoles You'll never have enough ISK to buy my C-II BPO
Piercing Serenity Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 938	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:11:00 - [53] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: As much as i love the game, with every update i look at all the cool s**t coming in and i'm forced to think what this game could have been like if all this stuff had come in 1-2yrs ago when we had a decent playerbase. its nice to see things moving forward and i hope that a lot of it is being built ready to port the game to PC and eventually current gen home consoles Don't live in the past. What's done is done. The best thing that we can do is have a more promising future. And players are a lot easier to come by than morale. I got enemies, got a lot of enemies , got a lot of people tryna drain me of this energy
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:31:00 - [54] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: As much as i love the game, with every update i look at all the cool s**t coming in and i'm forced to think what this game could have been like if all this stuff had come in 1-2yrs ago when we had a decent playerbase. its nice to see things moving forward and i hope that a lot of it is being built ready to port the game to PC and eventually current gen home consoles Same and its even worse knowing that the game will stay on PS3 which is basically boned at the end of this year. Cause alot of great titles are about to be released and a PS4 will probs be one of the things that will be underneath the christmas tree for alot of people. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 462	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:15:00 - [55] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Gotcha. Maybe this is a way to keep FW organized without completely edging out non-corp players? Personally I hope they end up rethinking this when they make a pass on FW. I hope to see corporations able to sign up for factions. With team deploy available in FW it would encourage a channel like the State Task Force or Lucent Eschelon to form corporations. Earning command points as a group to perform raids and/or PC attacks as an added bonus to their members. This along with trading loyalty items would cause a huge boost in interest in FW. To me it is two birds with one stone. You've got multiple groups fighting as a team in FW constantly. They do their weekly PC attack (or whatever the rate of CP earned dictates) and they would likely find it worthwhile to own a few districts. I may be crazy, but I think this is the blueprint for huge success. Dust shines as a team game and these changes make it lucrative to choose to play the game at it's highest levels for the newest players as well as PC vets.
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 462	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:19:00 - [56] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: As much as i love the game, with every update i look at all the cool st coming in and i'm forced to think what this game could have been like if all this stuff had come in 1-2yrs ago when we had a decent playerbase. its nice to see things moving forward and i hope that a lot of it is being built ready to port the game to PC and eventually current gen home consoles Don't live in the past. What's done is done. The best thing that we can do is have a more promising future. And players are a lot easier to come by than morale**. I think a lot of the people hanging on obviously want to see a promising future. These updates are great, but I hope CCP sees the potential in taking Dust to a new platform soon and announces something.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:51:00 - [57] - Quote I'd like to see a couple of additions to this in later iterations: Diminishing returns on using the same players for PC over and over. If you're heavily incentivized to use more people from your roster, this would make PC more accessible to the "Junior Varsity" players in a corp and it will reduce burnout on the "Varsity" guys, both of which would be positive. I will reduce drama and encourage the best players to help the worse ones improve. I'd also like to see the addition of a mechanism where district holders could improve their districts through upgrades they buy with ISK + CP, to "make it theirs," which would create an upkeep cost for each district that would scale with the upgrades. One example would be for all turrets to begin the match blue. You could have various turret upgrades like virus countermeasures to significantly increase the hack time on them, or increase the range, or have improved AI on them to target infantry, not just vehicles, or increased turret health etc. Raiding could be a way to weaken these upgrades in a prelude to a real attack. I'd also like to see the physical geography of the various districts be more relevant, so that owning districts in close proximity is easier than spreading out. I'm not entirely sure how that should work, but it seems like a logical approach. As far as FW goes, I think adding the ability to select where you attack with team deploy would be a major improvement. EVE should get some changes as well so they can see fights in system more easily. Best PvE idea ever!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6	Posted - 2015.06.24 22:02:00 - [58] - Quote http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/67321/1/pic2.png Rattati, I see there is no daily/weekly/monthly/lifetime toggle for the contribution tab. You had said earlier that it tracks 7 day contribution. Does it simply reset after downtime and if so which day of the week? Tuesday? Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 922	Posted - 2015.06.24 22:22:00 - [59] - Quote I know most people here are excited about the PC & FW changes and understandably so. Personally, I am excited about the fireteams and the shrinkage of a squad in pub matches to 4 mercs. It will maybe make the matches a tad more even, which means enjoyable, and possibly lead to a drop in people leaving the match before they even deploy in. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 8	Posted - 2015.06.24 22:48:00 - [60] - Quote when is this going to be released? Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. CBM In the CPM Get Dust ISK Here



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