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![[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]](https://forums.dust514.com/themes/ccpDust514/dust-avatar-128.png "[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]")
[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:26:00 -
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So, quitters suck. We all know this, so lets think of ways to punish them for quitting out of a game. I don't know if there's anything in place right now to discipline people who back out of games, so excuse me for simply repeating whatever it is place now (if anything is).
First off, give them a loss. (Obviously)
Second off, keep a statistic of how many games said person has backed out of.
Third off, make them lose some gear. I'd say the equivalent of dying 3 times would suffice.
Now I know that real life gets in the way, and sometimes we gotta leave the game and take care of business. Sorry to tell you this, but tough luck. Even though, said person shouldn't have started a game anyway. I'm not sure if this should be applied to disconnects, though if I had to choose I'd say it should apply.
So yeah, discuss. |
[Veteran_Vesta Ren]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:29:00 -
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You get no isk or SP if you leave before a match completes, punishment enough since open spots are filled by other randoms when they open. |
[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:30:00 -
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Oh yeah that too. Get nothing from the match. Basically get nothing, lose more is how it should be. |
[Veteran_Rivict O'Brien]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:36:00 -
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That's already how it is, you lose whatever you lost in the battle, and you gain nothing in return. |
[Veteran_Boss Dirge]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:37:00 -
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As this is all going to be tied to Eve and we will eventually be hired by Eve contractors I think some sort of record would a good indicator of a soldiers worth. If Eve players can hire specific mercs for specific contracts, no one will hire the dude who craps out every other match and costs them a buttload of money. Punishment should be something like the standings system with corporations in Eve. Everytime you complete a contract your standing with that corp should go up. If you decide to quit before the contract is completed the corporation in Eve then knows you are untrustworthy and will likely not hire you again.
So I guess what I am saying is the punishment should be eventually working for NPC's all the time. |
[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:39:00 -
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Rivict O'Brien wrote:That's already how it is, you lose whatever you lost in the battle, and you gain nothing in return.
And I'm saying you need to lose more. |
[Veteran_Sintel Jenner]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:31:00 -
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You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening. |
[Veteran_Kushmir]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:40:00 -
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I think it goes without saying they need to address the freezing and server connects first.
that said, give them deserter ribbons (or the equivalent) so that Corporations can track the people who are cowards and leave them on the unemployment line. |
[Veteran_Delta-121]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:42:00 -
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Sintel Jenner wrote:You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening.
agreed, its bad enough when you lag out or freeze up... adding extra punishment would only drive people away and kill this game before it starts. |
[Veteran_Waruiko DUST]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:52:00 -
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Any jumping of ship will likely be dealt with corp side rather then game side. Extra punishment isn't just pointless its actively detrimental to both the gamer base and the meta game. |
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[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:53:00 -
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Sintel Jenner wrote:You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening.
Nobody is crashing when they get into a game that they're attacking in and not defending. Stop with the excuses. |
[Veteran_Delta-121]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:02:00 -
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MUDMASTEI2 wrote:Sintel Jenner wrote:You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening. Nobody is crashing when they get into a game that they're attacking in and not defending. Stop with the excuses.
says you, I've froze several times and as for excuses I haven't seen anybody make one. |
[Veteran_Ceerix MKII]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:07:00 -
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In beta i'm sure that the majority are just people crashing not quitting mid match. Other then that the fact you get no ISK or SP from the match is punishment enough. I don't think you should be punished more then that. If something in real life comes up, your going to quit regardless, and with whats already in place it hurts too much to just casually bail from matches just because your team is about to lose. Any more then that and you will push too many players away from the game by making them feel like its not something they can get into casually. Or worse yet they put a rubber band on the controller and run into a wall in a corner. |
[Veteran_TheAmazing FlyingPig]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:12:00 -
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For now, this topic is kind of moot because the only reason the majority of people are leaving games is because of hard freezes. If this problem persists after the 29th, THEN feel free to bring it up, otherwise this is another "fix the freeze" thread. |
[Veteran_Virtual Bucaneer]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:46:00 -
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Yes, if the freezing is still there and not fixed at launch, the mechanism for penalties should not be considered. |
[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 07:43:00 -
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Delta-121 wrote:MUDMASTEI2 wrote:Sintel Jenner wrote:You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening. Nobody is crashing when they get into a game that they're attacking in and not defending. Stop with the excuses. says you, I've froze several times and as for excuses I haven't seen anybody make one.
You think people are freezing instead of leaving, that's the excuse. |
[Veteran_MUDMASTEI2]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 07:43:00 -
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Virtual Bucaneer wrote:Yes, if the freezing is still there and not fixed at launch, the mechanism for penalties should not be considered.
If freezing is there at launch, CCP needs to stop whatever they're doing and stick to EVE. |
[Veteran_Noc Tempre]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 08:52:00 -
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You don't understand this game do you? If someone decides to sell out, one method would be leaving at a clutch moment in the match. Why would they lose anything for playing the deeper meta-game? Furthermore, the only intel that should be forced public is the corp history. No free intel. |
[Veteran_Kushmir]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:41:00 -
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While some of our "understanding" of the game may not be as deep as yours.
providing consequences for people that want to use the worst loophole of them all is necessary. you have to punish quitters just like you would people who use lag switches. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.
it needs more than the lack of benefits (no ISK/SP payout) negative reinforcement is the only way to go. |
[Veteran_Mavado V Noriega]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:46:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:You don't understand this game do you? If someone decides to sell out, one method would be leaving at a clutch moment in the match. Why would they lose anything for playing the deeper meta-game? Furthermore, the only intel that should be forced public is the corp history. No free intel.
kinda agree with this
and MUD ppl dont only freeze on defense.
Ppl have gotten stuck in the death screen and also froze on offense
It goes both ways
i freeze alot more on offense usually when im absolutely crushing the other team bam freeze.....CCP nerfed me......gg |
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[Veteran_Austin Biffeh]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:44:00 -
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I crash out about 2/5 games, and I would not like to be punished for it. |
[Veteran_Waruiko DUST]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:06:00 -
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More I think on it the more I'm sure OP is Trolling...
Even if he isn't he seems to be in a super minority. |
[Veteran_Sintel Jenner]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:11:00 -
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MUDMASTEI2 wrote:
You think people are freezing instead of leaving, that's the excuse.
Says the kid that's so full of himself that he knows absolutely what is happening to several thousand players at any moment without a single doubt. Look ladies and gentleman, god is playing DUST with us!  |
[Veteran_J'Jor Da'Wg]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:32:00 -
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MUDMASTEI2 wrote:Rivict O'Brien wrote:That's already how it is, you lose whatever you lost in the battle, and you gain nothing in return. And I'm saying you need to lose more.
So punish people who crash constantly in the beta? Losing all your ISK and gear already lost in the battle is bad enough IMO. And when null sec is open, if you ragequit, then you lose the battle. The end. |
[Veteran_J'Jor Da'Wg]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:33:00 -
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MUDMASTEI2 wrote:Sintel Jenner wrote:You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening. Nobody is crashing when they get into a game that they're attacking in and not defending. Stop with the excuses.
And where do you get this "fact"?
Or are you just spewing random factoids out that you make up as you go... I think this is more likely. |
[Veteran_Commsnipes16]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:38:00 -
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Hey Mud <3 good to see you're here on the DUST forums too :P
And anyways, stat padders will be stat padders. I'd say the majority of the players don't rage quit all the time and shouldn't be punished if they're having an off day and rage quit once in a blue moon. Also why do this? It doesn't affect anything other than a player's KDR. They already get nothing out of the battle so let them be. If they feel that "BEING GOOD AT A VIDEO GAME SHOWS I SUCCEED IN LIFE" then let them stay delusional because it doesn't affect any other players. |
[Veteran_EnglishSnake]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:09:00 -
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MUDMASTEI2 wrote:So, quitters suck. We all know this, so lets think of ways to punish them for quitting out of a game. I don't know if there's anything in place right now to discipline people who back out of games, so excuse me for simply repeating whatever it is place now (if anything is).
First off, give them a loss. (Obviously)
Second off, keep a statistic of how many games said person has backed out of.
Third off, make them lose some gear. I'd say the equivalent of dying 3 times would suffice.
Now I know that real life gets in the way, and sometimes we gotta leave the game and take care of business. Sorry to tell you this, but tough luck. Even though, said person shouldn't have started a game anyway. I'm not sure if this should be applied to disconnects, though if I had to choose I'd say it should apply.
So yeah, discuss.
TBH i agree
I freeze atm around every 4th game so i quit the game at the end of every 3rd game to try and avoid it
If anything ther is a defo difference between backing out of the match and freezing since you have to press a certain series of buttons to actually quit and freezing is norm a hard reset ther is a difference |
[Veteran_Kushmir]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 18:44:00 -
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exactly snake,
we have to go with consequences AFTER the freezing is resolved and IF the game can tell the difference between a freeze/server kick and quitting the game.
do we REALLY want to go back to the days of dropping leadership, running from losses and all that other foolishness? have we really not learned anything? MY GOD...even a rat will learn a maze if it goes through enough times. |
[Veteran_Clover PsyKoz]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 20:06:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:You don't understand this game do you? If someone decides to sell out, one method would be leaving at a clutch moment in the match. Why would they lose anything for playing the deeper meta-game? Furthermore, the only intel that should be forced public is the corp history. No free intel.
I actually concur with this dude right here.
Normally i would agree with OP 100%, but this is a different type of game, where treachery and backstabbing is common and sometimes encouraged.
The matches we are in right now aren't very meaningful. Basically training matches for quick isk. But when the Starmap opens up and our very own Corps and alliances start battling for territories and planets, the stakes will be much higher. Who knows if a spy has infiltrated our corp and is planning to sabotage us at a crucial moment in battle. Should he be punished? For any other game i'd say yes, but not for Dust. |
[Veteran_Kushmir]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 20:12:00 -
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if thats the case (he's getting a pay-off from another corp) what spy would be the least bit concerned about being deserter ribbons or a rejoin penalty? we're talking about the people who are quitting out because the game is going badly or they didn't achieve the KDR they wanted so badly.
you simply can't allow them to quit without any consequence whatsoever. |
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