That's already how it is, you lose whatever you lost in the battle, and you gain nothing in return.

You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening.

You realize people are CRASHING not quitting right? You're getting your panties in a wad over something that isn't actually happening.

Nobody is crashing when they get into a game that they're attacking in and not defending. Stop with the excuses.

says you, I've froze several times and as for excuses I haven't seen anybody make one.

Yes, if the freezing is still there and not fixed at launch, the mechanism for penalties should not be considered.

You don't understand this game do you? If someone decides to sell out, one method would be leaving at a clutch moment in the match. Why would they lose anything for playing the deeper meta-game? Furthermore, the only intel that should be forced public is the corp history. No free intel.

You think people are freezing instead of leaving, that's the excuse.

And I'm saying you need to lose more.

Nobody is crashing when they get into a game that they're attacking in and not defending. Stop with the excuses.

So, quitters suck. We all know this, so lets think of ways to punish them for quitting out of a game. I don't know if there's anything in place right now to discipline people who back out of games, so excuse me for simply repeating whatever it is place now (if anything is).

First off, give them a loss. (Obviously)
Second off, keep a statistic of how many games said person has backed out of.
Third off, make them lose some gear. I'd say the equivalent of dying 3 times would suffice.

Now I know that real life gets in the way, and sometimes we gotta leave the game and take care of business. Sorry to tell you this, but tough luck. Even though, said person shouldn't have started a game anyway. I'm not sure if this should be applied to disconnects, though if I had to choose I'd say it should apply.

So yeah, discuss.

You don't understand this game do you? If someone decides to sell out, one method would be leaving at a clutch moment in the match. Why would they lose anything for playing the deeper meta-game? Furthermore, the only intel that should be forced public is the corp history. No free intel.

if thats the case (he's getting a pay-off from another corp) what spy would be the least bit concerned about being deserter ribbons or a rejoin penalty? we're talking about the people who are quitting out because the game is going badly or they didn't achieve the KDR they wanted so badly.

you simply can't allow them to quit without any consequence whatsoever.

So I guess what I am saying is the punishment should be eventually working for NPC's all the time.

Nobody is crashing when they get into a game that they're attacking in and not defending. Stop with the excuses.

OK thing that happen seem to be you lose what ever gear you lost and there is no pay out what so ever sp or isk

Unfortuantly MUD i donno how your not having same issues as rest of mabye your internet conection is particularly good or something but there are serious hard freezes happening during battle to the extent that it happens 1 evey 3 matches on average.

As it stands i do agree the quiters as you call them or as i would call them deserters should be penilized in the military deserting/being awol is a serious offence and can lead to being court mashaled.

In Dust at very least there should be a mark against you for all the times you deserted mabye a desersion count which would meen eve players would not trust theem to well and neiter would other Dust mercs making them less trust worthy to team with.

As for a actual loss of equipment to me at this moment in time of the build of the game it would not make sence but heres me using sence again. Now on the other hand if at the begining of a battle you must choose what recorses to commit to the fight not only would this add more depth to the game and a extra tactical depth it would also meen if you desert the guy you just screwed has your gear to do what with donno but he has it and there is a loss one that must be considered.

Now with all that said it should not be implemented till the hard freezes are fixed as alot of people will get absolutly screwed so when the game runs properly i do agree this should be implemented.

I wonder how you could possibly know this. Oh, wait, you can't. There were some days when I was getting 3-4 disconnects every HOUR. So stop with the presumptions already, would you?

says you, I've froze several times and as for excuses I haven't seen anybody make one.

And I'm saying you need to lose more.

I have a proposal that both punishes people who quit and saves people who crash.

Simply use a system similar to dota. If you disconnect from a match, you have x amount of time to reconnect. So when you go to the battlefinder, it will have a RECONNECT button there and something like a FORFEIT CONTRACT button. You can't take another contract until you pick one of these buttons. If you do not choose within the time limit, it is counted as a forfeit.

This way, someone crashing can rejoin the game (his slot will be saved for X amount of time) and keep his score. Any suits he lost will still be lost but he will be rewarded for finishing the match.

Someone choosing to FORFEIT CONTRACT to stat pad or whatever reason can then be punished as harshly as CCP wants.

To take it further, Forfeits could also be tracked and once you reach a certain point (like a percentage overall or a flat figure for a certain time frame *eg 3 per day* you will receive an "abandoner/deserter" status for x amount of time (or matches) where you cant accept certain contracts. These would be contracts where a corp has set "no deserters" as a condition (some NPC contracts will be set to this and players will have this option too)

EDIT: expanding on this because of all the talk of backstabbing.

Basically im in the "NO FREE INTEL" camp. Any deserter status would be completely invisible to everyone except the deserter. The system could also be implemented only for NPC contracts. This way people can't just join random games and leave when its not going their way because nothing is at stake. This way people are still free to backstab each other in player contracts as much as they want.

"In DUST quitting could mean alot more, a group of spies quitting at a key moment could really shaft you"

Welcome to Eve.

As this is all going to be tied to Eve and we will eventually be hired by Eve contractors I think some sort of record would a good indicator of a soldiers worth. If Eve players can hire specific mercs for specific contracts, no one will hire the dude who craps out every other match and costs them a buttload of money. Punishment should be something like the standings system with corporations in Eve. Everytime you complete a contract your standing with that corp should go up. If you decide to quit before the contract is completed the corporation in Eve then knows you are untrustworthy and will likely not hire you again.

So I guess what I am saying is the punishment should be eventually working for NPC's all the time.

So what you're saying then is it's something that happens, and is intended to happen within the Eve universe. Dust is Eve. But this happening is...something we need to discourage?

Cognitive dissonance much?

Dont really read a thread so you?

This can be spies/stat padders/quitters in general

When you quit a game in DUST the team loses a player from then which can lose the match which may effect something later on down the line

Its not like EVE when you log on you play and you dont really quit as such, ther is no organized battles with a timer

Do you even play eve? We have organized battles all the time. People set their alarm clocks so that when we show up to defend something we have more firepower than the other guys. And get this, the reason these alarm clocks get set is that we have timers. If the defenders aren't in place with enough force before the pos / station / poco enters vulnerability, then you lose. A corp being paid off to not show up as expected, or turn on the defenders, would affect a hell of a lot more than a Dust battle could. You could wind up losing thousands of dollars worth of isk, assuming you were foolishly rich and actually bought it all.

Only reason why i think ppl are against this is because they quit a lot themselves

I know I'm showing my age here, but what the hell is wrong with this new generation? This is the most bizarre form of self centric thinking I've ever witnessed, and I'm starting to see it everywhere. They assume everyone is exactly like they are, and make judgments about them accordingly.

It's a beta, people are crashing left and right. Look around the forums and you'll see thread after thread either giving detailed information about what they were doing when they crashed or just ranting incoherently about how much the game sucks because of all the crashing. But no, apparently to these little brats everyone else is lying and is just quitting to better their stats that we all know are going to be wiped several times over in the course of testing.

Why would they think that? Methinks they doth protest too much.

If your first assumption is that everyone else playing this game is trying to screw you over just to make a little number in their profile bigger you're either paranoid, or that's how you play it and assume everyone else is too.

Its your age

Re read my entire post

There you go again. Assuming I haven't. There's an old saying about assuming that I think you might want to become familiar with. In the meantime, please try to come to terms with the fact that someone can read every word you wrote and still think it's bullshit.

Not really, the length of the vulnerability time isn't the slightest bit relevant. The fact that you can be stabbed in the back is. Stories about stuff like this happening is what Eve is known for. The first future vision trailer for Dust was all about this. I can't see any good reason to put a hard mechanic in place to discourage this behavior. Not only is it counter-productive, it's totally the opposite of CCP's hands off style.

So you might lose if people leave the battle early? Good. If the battle is really important then bring people you trust. Use social methods of protecting yourself instead of relying on some carebear-esque game mechanic. If you hire on someone you don't trust yet and are taking them into an important battle then set up a contract where they give you isk and you return it after the battle. If they don't stay for the whole battle you keep their money. Kick out people who screw you over. Over time you'll build up a core of trustworthy players and become known as a reliable mercenary corp. That's the metagame Dust was created for. Without that it's just another generic shooter.

good grief... Hey, EnglishSnake why don't you go play Cod or what ever game you crawled off of FFS and give the rest of us a break.

Yet again learn to read

Oh god no, not the stat padders! Someone's e-peen might be bigger than mine!

Listen kiddo, I appreciate you're hopped up on hormones and the "I'm always right" thing of youth, so I'll cut you a minor bit of slack here. I'm not getting into the little forum quote picking games because that's just pathetic. This all hinges on one thing: You said a lot of stuff, and then you formed a conclusion that was opposite everything you said. The term "cognitive dissonance" might be of interest to learn here. If you can honestly say that you believe both that people are crashing and that they're just quitting to pad stats, and then follow up by saying you mostly think it's for stat padding, then you've invalidated your previous statements within the same post.

You need reading comprehension. Simply reading what you wrote doesn't mean you understood it.

"As a corp dont want to recruit a bunch of ppl who have inflated stats but when it comes down to it they are utterly useless"

So kick the people who are useless. Every business in the real world takes that risk every time they hire someone. People are not always what they appear to be. It seems that you need to, as CCP puts it, HTFU. It's a bad thing because it interferes with the metagame, to fix something that isn't even a problem.

So you're suggesting a solution to a problem that we don't have, based on parameters that you assume will be in the game later, and getting upset that we aren't all lifting you on our shoulders and shouting your name to the sky?

What exactly are you expecting here?

Feedback/Requests

Also if you use freezing as your counter argument then your a dumbass tbh because i really dont expect CCP to release the game freezing up every 3 matches and also ther is difference when you purposly leave a match by pressing a series of buttons and hitting the reset button

If anything a punishment system would be put in when the game is alot more stable



Only reason why i think ppl are against this is because they quit a lot themselves

I have a proposal that both punishes people who quit and saves people who crash.

Simply use a system similar to dota. If you disconnect from a match, you have x amount of time to reconnect. So when you go to the battlefinder, it will have a RECONNECT button there and something like a FORFEIT CONTRACT button. You can't take another contract until you pick one of these buttons. If you do not choose within the time limit, it is counted as a forfeit.

This way, someone crashing can rejoin the game (his slot will be saved for X amount of time) and keep his score. Any suits he lost will still be lost but he will be rewarded for finishing the match.

Someone choosing to FORFEIT CONTRACT to stat pad or whatever reason can then be punished as harshly as CCP wants.

To take it further, Forfeits could also be tracked and once you reach a certain point (like a percentage overall or a flat figure for a certain time frame *eg 3 per day* you will receive an "abandoner/deserter" status for x amount of time (or matches) where you cant accept certain contracts. These would be contracts where a corp has set "no deserters" as a condition (some NPC contracts will be set to this and players will have this option too)

EDIT: expanding on this because of all the talk of backstabbing.

Basically im in the "NO FREE INTEL" camp. Any deserter status would be completely invisible to everyone except the deserter. The system could also be implemented only for NPC contracts. This way people can't just join random games and leave when its not going their way because nothing is at stake. This way people are still free to backstab each other in player contracts as much as they want.

Hell I played a game this morning where I couldn't respawn. Screen said press 'O' to respawn and I was mashing it like a mofo but there was no respawning going on. At one point my shield/armor had regenerated to 100% and I was still dead, no respawning going on. If the match wasn't almost over I'd have had to quit the match to keep playing. The idea of getting punished that would have really ground my gears.

By the way.. DUST 514 did NOT make a positive impression on my Nephew.. too laggy.. not responsive enough for him..and no.. the 14 yr old FPS crowd doesn't have the patience for EVE-like skill training. He did like some of the gameplay though. But he still went back to playing CoD, MW3 and Battlefield 3.

And I'm saying you need to lose more.

When my Nephew played his first match he did not know he had to buy more than 1 of everything. Guess what? You can't respawn after losing all your equipment.. the only choice is to wait until the game kicks you out of the match. I am betting a LOT of first-timers to DUST are discovering this. I did this too the first couple of times I played.. until I realized "INVALID" on the dropsuits meant I had ZERO left to spawn with. Only choice is to quit. So I bet most of the "quitters" are from FREEZES, the known bug with being killed at the moment your shield and armor re-gen, and from the new people seeing "INVALID" on the suits they want to spawn with. Understanding why a suit is INVALID is NOT intuitive to an expert FPS gamer like my 14 year old Nephew. As a matter of fact.. it wasn't Intuitive to me either. I learned the hard way, just like my Nephew did that you had to purchase multiple copies of everything. Heck I bet a lot of the "quitters" are hitting the "INVALID" dropsuit issue. It wasn't really clear to me at first WHAT was INVALID about my dropsuits. By the way.. DUST 514 did NOT make a positive impression on my Nephew.. too laggy.. not responsive enough for him..and no.. the 14 yr old FPS crowd doesn't have the patience for EVE-like skill training. He did like some of the gameplay though. But he still went back to playing CoD, MW3 and Battlefield 3.

I'm finding it very hard to stop myself from insulting the intelligence of you and your nephew right now.

Well, if his family raised him to understand what the word "beta" means, and to not be a quitter...
Am I the only person left on the planet that sees not understanding something as a challenge rather than an excuse to walk away?

I had to delete my first 3 attempts at a reply honestly. They were just reflexively incredibly harsh.

Is there some way to restock them on the fly?

Hah, well thanks for sticking with it. Honestly, I used to be one of the COD crowd. Played 2 and 4 to death, but the newer ones.. they lost something. Even the ones I liked weren't that complex, but honing skills became the challenge. These days I want depth, and I doubt I'm the only one that's abandoned FPS games because they lack it. We'll get the COD crowd, and we'll steamroll them. The ones that stay are the special ones that say to themselves "ok, how'd they do that? Oh, better skills and equipment, now what do I want..." instead of ranting about how hard it is for them to think about things. All in all, I think CCP is doing the right thing there. The ones that can't handle it we don't want playing with us anyway, and everyone else gets something they can't find elsewhere for the low low price of free until you decide to throw money at them. Maybe the kid will turn around when he sees how much fun you're having with it. Who knows?

When my Nephew played his first match he did not know he had to buy more than 1 of everything. Guess what? You can't respawn after losing all your equipment.. the only choice is to wait until the game kicks you out of the match. I am betting a LOT of first-timers to DUST are discovering this. I did this too the first couple of times I played.. until I realized "INVALID" on the dropsuits meant I had ZERO left to spawn with. Only choice is to quit. So I bet most of the "quitters" are from FREEZES, the known bug with being killed at the moment your shield and armor re-gen, and from the new people seeing "INVALID" on the suits they want to spawn with. Understanding why a suit is INVALID is NOT intuitive to an expert FPS gamer like my 14 year old Nephew. As a matter of fact.. it wasn't Intuitive to me either. I learned the hard way, just like my Nephew did that you had to purchase multiple copies of everything. Heck I bet a lot of the "quitters" are hitting the "INVALID" dropsuit issue. It wasn't really clear to me at first WHAT was INVALID about my dropsuits. By the way.. DUST 514 did NOT make a positive impression on my Nephew.. too laggy.. not responsive enough for him..and no.. the 14 yr old FPS crowd doesn't have the patience for EVE-like skill training. He did like some of the gameplay though. But he still went back to playing CoD, MW3 and Battlefield 3.

Couple of things.. the Initial suits, are all unlimited use as they are blue print ORIGINALS, it's only the non militia stuff that is per use basis. Thus, it's wise to always leave the militia setups alone and make new fits as you see fit.

Second, it is indeed possible to buy more gear inside the game, all you have to do is hit start and then work through the Neo-Comm.

As for your expert FPS player, at 14.. I highly doubt that. some of us have been playing FPS for longer than that. Furthermore, this is NOT a game for the COD crowd. The point of this game is for people to have consequences for their actions, no mainstream FPS has that. Sure you get booted from a game for too much TKing etc, but there are no LONG term consequences, there's no SKILLING inside a game, sure you can unlock equipment and guns, but that's not the same. Even MAG which had skilling, you could at any time respec, so the only "consequence" was which CORP you fought for. Dust is all about the actions, consequences, and the impact it will have on the world around you.. The game would not fare well if the COD/MW crowd were to play it, because most of those guys would not care about the vested interest, all they care about is their K/D ratios and being L33t.

What is there to lose? If I died 10 times, lost 2 expensive tanks, and quit the match before it finishes, I get nothing back. I lost ISK, I lost time, I lost hardware.

Nothing left to lose.

Oh yeah that too. .

you were a Known Cheater in MAG

so then they'll switch to a militia fit and then quit. oh no they lost 3*0 isk per militia suit...

oh... oh wait...

besides, i think you're missing the point here mud.

what makes dust, dust? the persistence of the character, and the corporation BEYOND simple K/D and W/L stats.

if a person leaves a game they are guaranteed to LOSE money. who gives a **** if they avoided a loss on there record? they "gained" a negative isk efficiency. and that's a bigger black eye than a loss.


at the end of the day nobody will be impressed by anybodies W/L or K/D because we KNOW there will be ways to game it. if you wanna prove something show us something tangible. territory your corp controls because you stood and defended it, even if you went K/D negative in the process. your huge war chest because you stuck it out in every game and GOT paid. something that will matter...


and just for the record i've not quit out of a game yet. (i've frozen out of a shitload but that's another debate) the fact that you don't get paid til the end is more than enough motivation to keep you there no matter how poorly you're doing.

so i'm not opposing this because i'm afraid it will bite me in the ass, i'm opposing it because it's not needed.


the punishment for giving up... is not getting paid at the end...

You start with multiple Militia suits that last forever.

What is this I don't even...

I'm finding it very hard to stop myself from insulting the intelligence of you and your nephew right now.

So take it away from all their gear. You're not creating a loophole here.

Waiting for it.

Read the thread, champ. You lose stuff, this affects everybody. You get bad marks on your record, this affects the tryhards who screw you over by leaving to keep their stats. You get a "deserter ribbon" -- this affects the guy who's trying to get into a corporation with a big blemish on his record stating "I quit when the going gets tough."

The only reason there is to oppose this being implemented is if you quit out of games, true story. The punishment for giving up isn't not getting paid. Punishment would be not getting paid and losing.

So take it away from all their gear. You're not creating a loophole here.

Waiting for it.

Read the thread, champ. You lose stuff, this affects everybody. You get bad marks on your record, this affects the tryhards who screw you over by leaving to keep their stats. You get a "deserter ribbon" -- this affects the guy who's trying to get into a corporation with a big blemish on his record stating "I quit when the going gets tough."

The only reason there is to oppose this being implemented is if you quit out of games, true story. The punishment for giving up isn't not getting paid. Punishment would be not getting paid and losing.

Perhaps a certain number of dnf's per week are not counted. Once the threshold is passed then it could start to affect your standings. Sometimes the phone does ring, and sometimes it is more important than a video game. I do agree though that there has to be some kind of punishment, whether it's dnf records or standing loss.

Don't forget that screwing over your own team is a perfectly legitimate tactic and one way of doing that is by dropping out of matches. The turncoats however should be identifiable.

But unlike other games where griefing doesn't matter so much... if it's in your record that you kill an unatural ammount of friendlies ( a number that can't be explained by accidental fire) it's extremely unlikely you'll find yourself in a very good corp in dust because recruiters for that corp won't trust you enough to even accept your app for a trial run.

but no matter how badly you lose... you DO get paid. quitting ALREADY has the built in cost of losing EXTRA stuff... however much stuff the contract reward would have bought.


if you want the game to keep track of quits then whatever, but imposing a further loss of suits or modules after a quit or a disconnect is redundant. that's my whole point. you're basically just asking for another tier of what already happens.



besides, anybody who cares enough about there win/loss to sacrifice tangible in game assets for it is probably the same kind of person who would run ambush matches all day in prototype gear to farm up there K/D or their W/L.

you were in the dark flock... did you seriously never have one applicant whom you suspected just farmed suppression to get his stats up to be eligible for the tryout? people will always find a way to game the leaderboards.

why do you put so much faith in them, and feel the need to so vehemently protect them? (but only from one side of the problem?)


hell, i know a guy in battlefield who found out he was on the leaderboards for top kills with a particular pistol. so you know what he did? he played nothing but "pistol only" servers for the next MONTH.

Dear Yeshua in heaven!

This guy is not getting it. This guy is sounding just like those carebear whiners who complained about Hulkageddon (it's indefinite now thanks for Goonswarm) and wanted gankers to suffer greater punishments when in fact they already suffer the following:

1. Gankers lose security status for every time they even aggress (as in shoot unprovoked).
2. Gankers lose more sec status for every time they succeed in destroying the ship they aggressed.
3. Even more so if they kill the pod.
4. As their sec status reduces, they are unable to fly ships in certain parts of high-sec space. Some pirates are only able to fly ships in low-sec space or null-sec space.
5. If they hit the -5.0 standing, they will become valid targets for podding by anyone in high-sec.
6. They get no insurance payout as soon they suicide gank.

Yet, regardless of such punishments, the carebears are still insisting that CCP increase the punishments. What did CCP do in response? Well, they fixed some exploits that gankers used, but they still endorsed ganking in general. In fact, during the Crucible Expansion, CCP provided gankers with the most powerful gank ships imaginable: Tier 3 Battlecruisers known as the Naga, Talos, Tornado, and Oracle that are capable of wield battleship sized guns are designed for one purpose only: pure alpha damage and unadulterated DPS at the expense of tank. Needless to say, the carebears didn't like this one bit.

You, Mr. MUD, are like those carebears that don't get it. It's because of players like you that carebears get treated like crap in Eve and you will be another reason why carebears in DUST will be treated the same way.

Have a nice day.

I don't play EVE and don't know/care about half the **** you just told me. Nor did I bother to read it.

Good. Now get out.

Nah, I'll stay here and shoot people, while ignoring your stories about "gankers" -- whatever those are.

Cantus...why you feed troll...I posted sign..."NO FEED TROLL". Trolls break into your car and look for candy bars and smoke your pot, they hide under bridges to look up womens skirts and are, by nature, creatures who jerk it to girls gone wild, when you feed the trolls, they buy live longer and buy more girls gone wild. When Girls Gone Wild videos are purchased, they advertise, when they advertise they make my girlfriend aware that there is smut out there in the world, when she is aware of this she begins to monitor my internet use, when she does this she finds my web history of asian **** and gets angry, when she gets angry I have to cancel my subscriptions, when I do this Asians **** stars lose their money, when they lose their money their children die

FEEDING THE TROLLS KILLS ASAIN BABIES!!! STOP IT.

You will get to know these gankers soon enough when you begin encountering them during a player-contracted battle, assuming you ever get bored of NPC contracts and their meager payouts... whether you want to or not. This is not a threat. This is a promise.

You get no isk or SP if you leave before a match completes, punishment enough since open spots are filled by other randoms when they open.

Oh yeah that too. Get nothing from the match. Basically get nothing, lose more is how it should be.

Very good. Delete troll posts!

+1 for MOD

Dear MUDDY,

If you will keep saying thing like "STOP Dust from evolving", "PUNISH player for his decisions", "You have no right to runaway" (because your testing gear sucks)..."Those who don't want to start punish ppl are infidels..." And you know who is saying things like that? Terrorists...or other type of extremist...so if you keep saying things like that, most of us (if that will only be possible) will add you in Dust in war list...I'm sure that some ppl will do that, and when the game LUNCHES, most of beta players will bring their Corps from EvE to Dust, and then you will have at least 1 Corp bounty on your head...lot of corps have about billions of ISKs in their wallet...so paying 500k ISKs for you head is great businesses, just for making the point.

You are not getting CCPs point becouse you didn't play EvE...ok. You are here for mistake. You've played CoD, BF3 and you were fantastich [GER].

BUT if you would have EvE even for trial account, you would get the point of these battles...

Point in EvE is to give everything to players, where you can be spy in corp, pirate killing others, harmless miner, even you can control market!! Economy in EvE is in players hands. You can do anything you want to...Even get to the center of solar system and start destroying everything that moves just for fun

Every body who quit battles because their scared will be known by people whose interested of it, they wont get to the corp...and without corp they wont to much Thats the corps who decides on battle score...THEY will shape universe in the way THEY WANT TO...

Best regards
Boogl 47

"Trolling" is just state of your mind....state in witch you can't discus your opinion with others, in that case players who know CCP and their politics, because they're playing EvE for years/months, they attend on EvEfast, who talk with DEVS. You are just trying to make everybody say your right, but as you see lot of users, has partially agreed with you, even me.

The punishment for players will be status / standing loosing, not gear, equipment, you can always "get" money from somewhere. Me, after official lunch, I'll transfer about 10mln ISK to buy primary stuff. So this is not the way to punish me. The punishment will be, as I said before, STANDINGS loose of deserters, but first of all they must find way to check who is leaving battle "because so", and who is having technical difficulties.
PPL who will be punished because of poor Internet connection will stop playing, pll whose PS is in bed shape, or HDD is to slow won't play...at this is not the point...the point is to keep as much Mercs on server as it is possible. Make ppl fall in love with this game and buy new console, gadgets, and stuff.

We are here to participate BETA TESTS, to tell to the devs what to improve to make it better place for all of us, even BF/CoD 12-yo funs. Player have to have possibility to choose: ether he/she want to help EvE players gain territory and win battles, or spreed the name of it's corp all around the galaxy for profits, or win battles by spying, sabotage, and dirty tricks. The punishment is in our hands, WE decide with who to battle, against who. If somebody quits during your match and you will be the contract issuer then spreed the news that this and that player is quitter, but other pll will decide do they want to believe you or not. I might want to hire quitter who will go and accept my opponent contract, and sabotage his army from inside.

Why don't you want people to decide who to trust?
Why the LoyalityPoints is not enough for you?
You really thing that taking my stuff will be punishment? Lets make test...You will take my car because I was speeding, and I will spreed noisy, dirty gossip about you round your friends...who will have easer? I will by new stuff, new car.

Give me something after wich I could say: "You are right, there should be punishment.", or lets discus..

WARNING! All participants of discussion MUST have open mind / extremists or any kind of fanatics don't like to discus. Their more like dictators. /

ALL EXTREMISTS OR FANATICS ... PLZ...DON'T POST. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKE TO READ THE SAME SENTENCE EVERY 3 POSTS ON 8 PAGES? TO MUCH...

(I could spend this time for something much more significant in my life like...scratching my ass)

I don't play EVE and don't know/care about half the **** you just told me. Nor did I bother to read it.

Its common sense, you took a contract and you quit as Mud puts it 'when the going gets tough' so you should be punished

With freeze issue I'm trying to point that not every quit is desertion.
I already agreed that there should be punishment, but it must be separated deserter / technical difficulties. It's unfair with the ppl whose house catches on fire or had to quit because their grandma died, or dog were run by car. In that case I suggest RATIO system. Deserted/finished battles, and after certain point you get that Deserted Ribbon (it's very good idea MUD), but if you start to play nice, finishing battles etc. it should be gone...every body can change.

EnglishSnake
You wrote something very important
And I agree fully with that. I forgot about one major thing about contracts...contract = money, and after breaking the contact you always pay penalty.

I had my so eyes fixed on assets and standings that i forgot about money.

So contract penalties and ribbons (after certain ratio) are my proposition to end this discussion.

And you know that argue is juts between Us? CCP can give a sh** about our discussion pleas put me right if I'm wrong.

TBH the Hulkaggedon argument in comparision to this is to put it bluntly, ******* useless

I can't imagine CCP doing anything other than laughing at the idea that we need something like this to protect the poor corporations from heinous misdeeds.

Very good. Delete troll posts!

+1 for MOD

Dear MUDDY,

If you will keep saying thing like "STOP Dust from evolving", "PUNISH player for his decisions", "You have no right to runaway" (because your testing gear sucks)..."Those who don't want to start punish ppl are infidels..." And you know who is saying things like that? Terrorists...or other type of extremist...so if you keep saying things like that, most of us (if that will only be possible) will add you in Dust in war list...I'm sure that some ppl will do that, and when the game LUNCHES

Best regards
Boogl 47

So, quitters suck. We all know this, so lets think of ways to punish them for quitting out of a game. I don't know if there's anything in place right now to discipline people who back out of games, so excuse me for simply repeating whatever it is place now (if anything is).

First off, give them a loss. (Obviously)
Second off, keep a statistic of how many games said person has backed out of.
Third off, make them lose some gear. I'd say the equivalent of dying 3 times would suffice.

Now I know that real life gets in the way, and sometimes we gotta leave the game and take care of business. Sorry to tell you this, but tough luck. Even though, said person shouldn't have started a game anyway. I'm not sure if this should be applied to disconnects, though if I had to choose I'd say it should apply.

So yeah, discuss.

Actually, it's not a useless argument. The Carebears of New Eden have been demanding for a long time that CCP make the punishments more strict against the high-sec suicide gankers because they think that ganking is griefing and that high-sec should be a sanctuary for AFK-mining, Fuzzy-Wuzzy carebears. In reality, they fail to realize that CCP doesn't like a safe high-sec (ironic).

My point is that if CCP has that kind of mentality for Eve Online, what makes people think that CCP will act any differently in DUST?