Is there some way to restock them on the fly?

Hah, well thanks for sticking with it. Honestly, I used to be one of the COD crowd. Played 2 and 4 to death, but the newer ones.. they lost something. Even the ones I liked weren't that complex, but honing skills became the challenge. These days I want depth, and I doubt I'm the only one that's abandoned FPS games because they lack it. We'll get the COD crowd, and we'll steamroll them. The ones that stay are the special ones that say to themselves "ok, how'd they do that? Oh, better skills and equipment, now what do I want..." instead of ranting about how hard it is for them to think about things. All in all, I think CCP is doing the right thing there. The ones that can't handle it we don't want playing with us anyway, and everyone else gets something they can't find elsewhere for the low low price of free until you decide to throw money at them. Maybe the kid will turn around when he sees how much fun you're having with it. Who knows?

When my Nephew played his first match he did not know he had to buy more than 1 of everything. Guess what? You can't respawn after losing all your equipment.. the only choice is to wait until the game kicks you out of the match. I am betting a LOT of first-timers to DUST are discovering this. I did this too the first couple of times I played.. until I realized "INVALID" on the dropsuits meant I had ZERO left to spawn with. Only choice is to quit. So I bet most of the "quitters" are from FREEZES, the known bug with being killed at the moment your shield and armor re-gen, and from the new people seeing "INVALID" on the suits they want to spawn with. Understanding why a suit is INVALID is NOT intuitive to an expert FPS gamer like my 14 year old Nephew. As a matter of fact.. it wasn't Intuitive to me either. I learned the hard way, just like my Nephew did that you had to purchase multiple copies of everything. Heck I bet a lot of the "quitters" are hitting the "INVALID" dropsuit issue. It wasn't really clear to me at first WHAT was INVALID about my dropsuits. By the way.. DUST 514 did NOT make a positive impression on my Nephew.. too laggy.. not responsive enough for him..and no.. the 14 yr old FPS crowd doesn't have the patience for EVE-like skill training. He did like some of the gameplay though. But he still went back to playing CoD, MW3 and Battlefield 3.

Couple of things.. the Initial suits, are all unlimited use as they are blue print ORIGINALS, it's only the non militia stuff that is per use basis. Thus, it's wise to always leave the militia setups alone and make new fits as you see fit.

Second, it is indeed possible to buy more gear inside the game, all you have to do is hit start and then work through the Neo-Comm.

As for your expert FPS player, at 14.. I highly doubt that. some of us have been playing FPS for longer than that. Furthermore, this is NOT a game for the COD crowd. The point of this game is for people to have consequences for their actions, no mainstream FPS has that. Sure you get booted from a game for too much TKing etc, but there are no LONG term consequences, there's no SKILLING inside a game, sure you can unlock equipment and guns, but that's not the same. Even MAG which had skilling, you could at any time respec, so the only "consequence" was which CORP you fought for. Dust is all about the actions, consequences, and the impact it will have on the world around you.. The game would not fare well if the COD/MW crowd were to play it, because most of those guys would not care about the vested interest, all they care about is their K/D ratios and being L33t.

What is there to lose? If I died 10 times, lost 2 expensive tanks, and quit the match before it finishes, I get nothing back. I lost ISK, I lost time, I lost hardware.

Nothing left to lose.

Oh yeah that too. .

you were a Known Cheater in MAG

so then they'll switch to a militia fit and then quit. oh no they lost 3*0 isk per militia suit...

oh... oh wait...

besides, i think you're missing the point here mud.

what makes dust, dust? the persistence of the character, and the corporation BEYOND simple K/D and W/L stats.

if a person leaves a game they are guaranteed to LOSE money. who gives a **** if they avoided a loss on there record? they "gained" a negative isk efficiency. and that's a bigger black eye than a loss.


at the end of the day nobody will be impressed by anybodies W/L or K/D because we KNOW there will be ways to game it. if you wanna prove something show us something tangible. territory your corp controls because you stood and defended it, even if you went K/D negative in the process. your huge war chest because you stuck it out in every game and GOT paid. something that will matter...


and just for the record i've not quit out of a game yet. (i've frozen out of a shitload but that's another debate) the fact that you don't get paid til the end is more than enough motivation to keep you there no matter how poorly you're doing.

so i'm not opposing this because i'm afraid it will bite me in the ass, i'm opposing it because it's not needed.


the punishment for giving up... is not getting paid at the end...

You start with multiple Militia suits that last forever.

What is this I don't even...

I'm finding it very hard to stop myself from insulting the intelligence of you and your nephew right now.

So take it away from all their gear. You're not creating a loophole here.

Waiting for it.

Read the thread, champ. You lose stuff, this affects everybody. You get bad marks on your record, this affects the tryhards who screw you over by leaving to keep their stats. You get a "deserter ribbon" -- this affects the guy who's trying to get into a corporation with a big blemish on his record stating "I quit when the going gets tough."

The only reason there is to oppose this being implemented is if you quit out of games, true story. The punishment for giving up isn't not getting paid. Punishment would be not getting paid and losing.

So take it away from all their gear. You're not creating a loophole here.

Waiting for it.

Read the thread, champ. You lose stuff, this affects everybody. You get bad marks on your record, this affects the tryhards who screw you over by leaving to keep their stats. You get a "deserter ribbon" -- this affects the guy who's trying to get into a corporation with a big blemish on his record stating "I quit when the going gets tough."

The only reason there is to oppose this being implemented is if you quit out of games, true story. The punishment for giving up isn't not getting paid. Punishment would be not getting paid and losing.

Perhaps a certain number of dnf's per week are not counted. Once the threshold is passed then it could start to affect your standings. Sometimes the phone does ring, and sometimes it is more important than a video game. I do agree though that there has to be some kind of punishment, whether it's dnf records or standing loss.

Don't forget that screwing over your own team is a perfectly legitimate tactic and one way of doing that is by dropping out of matches. The turncoats however should be identifiable.

But unlike other games where griefing doesn't matter so much... if it's in your record that you kill an unatural ammount of friendlies ( a number that can't be explained by accidental fire) it's extremely unlikely you'll find yourself in a very good corp in dust because recruiters for that corp won't trust you enough to even accept your app for a trial run.

but no matter how badly you lose... you DO get paid. quitting ALREADY has the built in cost of losing EXTRA stuff... however much stuff the contract reward would have bought.


if you want the game to keep track of quits then whatever, but imposing a further loss of suits or modules after a quit or a disconnect is redundant. that's my whole point. you're basically just asking for another tier of what already happens.



besides, anybody who cares enough about there win/loss to sacrifice tangible in game assets for it is probably the same kind of person who would run ambush matches all day in prototype gear to farm up there K/D or their W/L.

you were in the dark flock... did you seriously never have one applicant whom you suspected just farmed suppression to get his stats up to be eligible for the tryout? people will always find a way to game the leaderboards.

why do you put so much faith in them, and feel the need to so vehemently protect them? (but only from one side of the problem?)


hell, i know a guy in battlefield who found out he was on the leaderboards for top kills with a particular pistol. so you know what he did? he played nothing but "pistol only" servers for the next MONTH.

Dear Yeshua in heaven!

This guy is not getting it. This guy is sounding just like those carebear whiners who complained about Hulkageddon (it's indefinite now thanks for Goonswarm) and wanted gankers to suffer greater punishments when in fact they already suffer the following:

1. Gankers lose security status for every time they even aggress (as in shoot unprovoked).
2. Gankers lose more sec status for every time they succeed in destroying the ship they aggressed.
3. Even more so if they kill the pod.
4. As their sec status reduces, they are unable to fly ships in certain parts of high-sec space. Some pirates are only able to fly ships in low-sec space or null-sec space.
5. If they hit the -5.0 standing, they will become valid targets for podding by anyone in high-sec.
6. They get no insurance payout as soon they suicide gank.

Yet, regardless of such punishments, the carebears are still insisting that CCP increase the punishments. What did CCP do in response? Well, they fixed some exploits that gankers used, but they still endorsed ganking in general. In fact, during the Crucible Expansion, CCP provided gankers with the most powerful gank ships imaginable: Tier 3 Battlecruisers known as the Naga, Talos, Tornado, and Oracle that are capable of wield battleship sized guns are designed for one purpose only: pure alpha damage and unadulterated DPS at the expense of tank. Needless to say, the carebears didn't like this one bit.

You, Mr. MUD, are like those carebears that don't get it. It's because of players like you that carebears get treated like crap in Eve and you will be another reason why carebears in DUST will be treated the same way.

Have a nice day.

I don't play EVE and don't know/care about half the **** you just told me. Nor did I bother to read it.

Good. Now get out.

Nah, I'll stay here and shoot people, while ignoring your stories about "gankers" -- whatever those are.