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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:28:00 -
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Anyone else feel like the Logi is lacking ? I feel it's not where it should be. I rarely see them around at all. I'm talking about Bonuses and their Performance !
The Minmitar Logi I feel is working properly no change needed there. The bonuses it gets to the repair tool is a great bonus. This Logi I see always on the field, behind tanked out suits.
The Amarr Logi is useless due to the bonus disappearing when you die. What's the point of this ? Do they expect you to stay alive 24/7 ? I feel this should be changed to if you die and change suits, the bonus disappears. Otherwise this Logi is Scrap.
The Caldari Logi is what I feel is underperforming. Although it does get bonuses to basically all its equipment, but just about everybody carries either a needle or Nanohives on their suit. I don't know how to fix this.
Now the Gal Logi is an interesting one, I can say its on par with with the Minmitar Logi as performaning properly. If fitted properly, this Logi can certainly help the team greatly win battles. This Logi is usually always seen. |
Powerh8er
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:19:00 -
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Logis need more speed. Also the time it takes switching from rep tool to weapon is too damn long.
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Radiant Pancake3
THE REBEL FEDERATION
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:21:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:Logis need more speed. Also the time it takes switching from rep tool to weapon is too damn long.
Agreed.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:32:00 -
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In regards to the amarr logi: Vae victus.
Callogi would be in a better place if they nerfed the amount of carried nanohives for non callogi's by about 50%
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
850
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:50:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:Logis need more speed. Also the time it takes switching from rep tool to weapon is too damn long.
why not just give them more HP? seems like the more logical move seeing as how they are repurposed assault frames that need to be heavier to carry more equipment.
Giving a suit the capacity to stack more HP than others whilst still being faster is the reason scouts got smacked. This is gonna lead to the same thing with logis.
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
850
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:53:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:In regards to the amarr logi: Vae victus.
Callogi would be in a better place if they nerfed the amount of carried nanohives for non callogi's by about 50%
or make it so all logis get bonuses to all equipment, logis shouldn't only get a bonus to one piece of equipment just because its racial.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:57:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:In regards to the amarr logi: Vae victus.
Callogi would be in a better place if they nerfed the amount of carried nanohives for non callogi's by about 50% or make it so all logis get bonuses to all equipment, logis shouldn't only get a bonus to one piece of equipment just because its racial.
Yes they should because it fits every races warfare doctrines and design intent. With your line of reasoning I could easily go "well why cant caldari fit a proper armor tank on their suits! and don't tell me because its racial - if I want to fit a proper armor/shield tank on any race I should be able to"
That line of reasoning quickly descends into loss of identity and silliness everywhere.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
850
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:58:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:In regards to the amarr logi: Vae victus.
Callogi would be in a better place if they nerfed the amount of carried nanohives for non callogi's by about 50% or make it so all logis get bonuses to all equipment, logis shouldn't only get a bonus to one piece of equipment just because its racial. Yes they should because it fits every races warfare doctrines and design intent. With your line of reasoning I could easily go "well why cant caldari fit a proper armor tank on their suits! and don't tell me because its racial - if I want to fit a proper armor/shield tank on any race I should be able to" That line of reasoning quickly descends into loss of identity and silliness everywhere.
so why does every logi in eve get a bonus to a remote repairer?
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:03:00 -
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the amarr logi bonus is lost while beeing death but it kicks back in as soon you respawn. The Cal. logi bonus is just plain useless to be honest. Nobody needs a bonus for nanohives when every 1 can carry 6 of them.
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Radiant Pancake3
THE REBEL FEDERATION
159
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:14:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:the amarr logi bonus is lost while beeing death but it kicks back in as soon you respawn. The Cal. logi bonus is just plain useless to be honest. Nobody needs a bonus for nanohives when every 1 can carry 6 of them.
Sents can't carry hives.
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:16:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:In regards to the amarr logi: Vae victus.
Callogi would be in a better place if they nerfed the amount of carried nanohives for non callogi's by about 50% or make it so all logis get bonuses to all equipment, logis shouldn't only get a bonus to one piece of equipment just because its racial. Yes they should because it fits every races warfare doctrines and design intent. With your line of reasoning I could easily go "well why cant caldari fit a proper armor tank on their suits! and don't tell me because its racial - if I want to fit a proper armor/shield tank on any race I should be able to" That line of reasoning quickly descends into loss of identity and silliness everywhere. so why does every logi in eve get a bonus to a remote repairer? in fact the minmatar use remote shield boosters so why do they get a bonus to an armour rep tool?
Logistics fill a different role in eve than they do in dust. Do not try to translate things directly from one game to another.
Initially the minmatar carriers (all carriers were logistics ships++) had a bonus to capital remote shield reps OR capital remote armor reps.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
850
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:17:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:the amarr logi bonus is lost while beeing death but it kicks back in as soon you respawn. The Cal. logi bonus is just plain useless to be honest. Nobody needs a bonus for nanohives when every 1 can carry 6 of them. Sents can't carry hives.
obviously, but caldari should be best at using them is what he is getting at and they arent. maybe increase the bonus to 7.5% per level so that a triage hive gives 96 reps per second or even 10% per level so it does 100
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
850
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:18:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:In regards to the amarr logi: Vae victus.
Callogi would be in a better place if they nerfed the amount of carried nanohives for non callogi's by about 50% or make it so all logis get bonuses to all equipment, logis shouldn't only get a bonus to one piece of equipment just because its racial. Yes they should because it fits every races warfare doctrines and design intent. With your line of reasoning I could easily go "well why cant caldari fit a proper armor tank on their suits! and don't tell me because its racial - if I want to fit a proper armor/shield tank on any race I should be able to" That line of reasoning quickly descends into loss of identity and silliness everywhere. so why does every logi in eve get a bonus to a remote repairer? in fact the minmatar use remote shield boosters so why do they get a bonus to an armour rep tool? Logistics fill a different role in eve than they do in dust. Do not try to translate things directly from one game to another. Initially the minmatar carriers (all carriers were logistics ships++) had a bonus to capital remote shield reps OR capital remote armor reps.
and now they have both, and logis barely have a different role. repair and resupply are the main roles of logistics in dust, so i'll ask again, why dont all logis have a repair tool bonus?
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:25:00 -
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Because they don't need them or it doesn't fit their racial doctrine. Why don't assaults get a bonus to every light weapon ever? Why can't I fit a 5 slot armor tank on my cal-scout?
Just because you see the only purpose of a logi being chained to a heavy repping them, doesn't mean that it's true.
Caldari = Seige warfare, entrench and fortify - Nanohives & injectors fit this.
Amarr = Armored warfare, bring bigger heavier suits than your opponent can - amarr logi shortens the supply lines required to do this.
Gallente = Information warfare, know what your enemies intend to do and deny them information in return - active scanners fit this.
Minmatar = Skirmish warfare, be able to relocate frequently - rep tools fit this by sustaining the 'weaker' but more versatile suits through fights they shouldn't straight up win with reps, allowing them to be everywhere.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
855
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:32:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Because they don't need them or it doesn't fit their racial doctrine. Why don't assaults get a bonus to every light weapon ever? Why can't I fit a 5 slot armor tank on my cal-scout?
Just because you see the only purpose of a logi being chained to a heavy repping them, doesn't mean that it's true.
Caldari = Seige warfare, entrench and fortify - Nanohives & injectors fit this.
Amarr = Armored warfare, bring bigger heavier suits than your opponent can - amarr logi shortens the supply lines required to do this.
Gallente = Information warfare, know what your enemies intend to do and deny them information in return - active scanners fit this.
Minmatar = Skirmish warfare, be able to relocate frequently - rep tools fit this by sustaining the 'weaker' but more versatile suits through fights they shouldn't straight up win with reps, allowing them to be everywhere.
Yet ALL of the races get a bonus to a remote repair of some sort.
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:34:00 -
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Because eve is an entirely different game as I've ****ing said and you cannot directly translate mechanics from one game to another. Otherwise I'd be running around in a caldari electronic warfare specialist making it so that no one else can even ****ing shoot their guns at me.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
7
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:36:00 -
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I doubt many people carry injectors anymore; I definitely don't.
Revives are broken.
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Radiant Pancake3
THE REBEL FEDERATION
160
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:37:00 -
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In any situation all logis should know one thing.
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
855
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:37:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Because eve is an entirely different game as I've ****ing said and you cannot directly translate mechanics from one game to another. Otherwise I'd be running around in a caldari electronic warfare specialist making it so that no one else can even ****ing shoot their guns at me.
So why does the minmatar get a bonus to the repair tool if being a logi is an entirely different thing??? Dont tell me its different if one race can have and the others cant just because.
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:40:00 -
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We need the Patron Saint of Logi's to speak to us again.
GÖ¢ Scouts United - Join the Scout channel. GÖ¢
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Powerh8er
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:48:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Powerh8er wrote:Logis need more speed. Also the time it takes switching from rep tool to weapon is too damn long.
why not just give them more HP? seems like the more logical move seeing as how they are repurposed assault frames that need to be heavier to carry more equipment. Giving a suit the capacity to stack more HP than others whilst still being faster is the reason scouts got smacked. This is gonna lead to the same thing with logis.
Well that would be good too because then you have the options of stacking speed moods instead of ****** ferroscale armorplates which many logis do now, but if the logis would got more hp then you probably see more of the infamous and much dreaded slayerlogi.
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
855
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:49:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Powerh8er wrote:Logis need more speed. Also the time it takes switching from rep tool to weapon is too damn long.
why not just give them more HP? seems like the more logical move seeing as how they are repurposed assault frames that need to be heavier to carry more equipment. Giving a suit the capacity to stack more HP than others whilst still being faster is the reason scouts got smacked. This is gonna lead to the same thing with logis. Well that would be good too because then you have the options of stacking speed moods instead of ****** ferroscale armorplates which many logis do now, but if the logis would got more hp then you probably see more of the infamous and much dreaded slayerlogi.
Speed > tank. Just look at min assaults
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
7
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Posted - 2015.06.18 21:10:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Powerh8er wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Powerh8er wrote:Logis need more speed. Also the time it takes switching from rep tool to weapon is too damn long.
why not just give them more HP? seems like the more logical move seeing as how they are repurposed assault frames that need to be heavier to carry more equipment. Giving a suit the capacity to stack more HP than others whilst still being faster is the reason scouts got smacked. This is gonna lead to the same thing with logis. Well that would be good too because then you have the options of stacking speed moods instead of ****** ferroscale armorplates which many logis do now, but if the logis would got more hp then you probably see more of the infamous and much dreaded slayerlogi. Speed > tank. Just look at min assaults
Min assaults have versitility; that's more important than speed or tank
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.18 21:16:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Because they don't need them or it doesn't fit their racial doctrine. Why don't assaults get a bonus to every light weapon ever? Why can't I fit a 5 slot armor tank on my cal-scout?
Just because you see the only purpose of a logi being chained to a heavy repping them, doesn't mean that it's true.
Caldari = Seige warfare, entrench and fortify - Nanohives & injectors fit this.
Amarr = Armored warfare, bring bigger heavier suits than your opponent can - amarr logi shortens the supply lines required to do this.
Gallente = Information warfare, know what your enemies intend to do and deny them information in return - active scanners fit this.
Minmatar = Skirmish warfare, be able to relocate frequently - rep tools fit this by sustaining the 'weaker' but more versatile suits through fights they shouldn't straight up win with reps, allowing them to be everywhere.
This guy. Just said the most inteligent thing ever. Too bad most of us are morons and stick to crutch methods and suits.
Ewar? What's that? Some kind of new crutch? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots. Batteskirts for the win!!
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P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
1
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Posted - 2015.06.18 21:35:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Powerh8er wrote:Logis need more speed. Also the time it takes switching from rep tool to weapon is too damn long.
why not just give them more HP? seems like the more logical move seeing as how they are repurposed assault frames that need to be heavier to carry more equipment. Giving a suit the capacity to stack more HP than others whilst still being faster is the reason scouts got smacked. This is gonna lead to the same thing with logis.
Assaults have a higher base HP. A max HP stacked logi will probably have the same speed/HP as a base assault after the speed swap.. Slayer logis will not return, not like they were anyways.
'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:01:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:
Just because you see the only purpose of a logi being chained to a heavy repping them, doesn't mean that it's true.
Caldari = Seige warfare, entrench and fortify - Nanohives & injectors fit this.
Amarr = Armored warfare, bring bigger heavier suits than your opponent can - amarr logi shortens the supply lines required to do this.
Gallente = Information warfare, know what your enemies intend to do and deny them information in return - active scanners fit this.
Minmatar = Skirmish warfare, be able to relocate frequently - rep tools fit this by sustaining the 'weaker' but more versatile suits through fights they shouldn't straight up win with reps, allowing them to be everywhere.
One of the best breakdowns of Logi racial meta I've seen in a while. You should get this stickied for inclusion with w/e npe or intro to dust materials are being planned.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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REDBACK96USMC
NORTH K0REA
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:12:00 -
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I logibro'd my first full match the other night just because I was feeling lazy. 4500k in the Shaman suit no sweat 4/5/2.... Read what Mina posted also. Although I hate the common secrets being let out, follow those roles and you will easily top the board most matches.
Well until the alcohol kicks in, you try to scramble pistol people only while supposedly being the logi of the group.... or jihad jeep dropships that fly too low. |
Dzago Sevatarion
DUST University
Ivy League
27
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:15:00 -
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Caldari logistics is something I play a lot of because I'm a masochist who makes bad life decisions, and while the bonuses aren't bad for my MMR (many games I'm one of the few with a nanohive) I'd prefer something like a shield repair tool bonus instead. Gallente and Minmatar bonuses are active (fun), Caldari and Amarr are far too passive (boring). |
P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
1
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:38:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:I logibro'd my first full match the other night just because I was feeling lazy. 4500k in the Shaman suit no sweat 4/5/2.... Read what Mina posted also. Although I hate the common secrets being let out, follow those roles and you will easily top the board most matches.
Well until the alcohol kicks in, you try to scramble pistol people only while supposedly being the logi of the group.... or jihad jeep dropships that fly too low.
You will only get those kinds of points with a min logi ramming a rep tool up a good heavy's @ss.
Gal logis don't get points for scanning unless the squad is doing all the killing.
Amarr logis have to stay alive and hope that people spawn on their equipment.
Cal logis? Lol. I actually don't play a callogi, but nanohive spam is real, yet I never see callogis.
Quick edit: I'm a pretty good logi, and I only average about 1500 wp a game in my amarr/gal.
'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
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Radiant Pancake3
THE REBEL FEDERATION
162
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:45:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:REDBACK96USMC wrote:I logibro'd my first full match the other night just because I was feeling lazy. 4500k in the Shaman suit no sweat 4/5/2.... Read what Mina posted also. Although I hate the common secrets being let out, follow those roles and you will easily top the board most matches.
Well until the alcohol kicks in, you try to scramble pistol people only while supposedly being the logi of the group.... or jihad jeep dropships that fly too low. You will only get those kinds of points with a min logi ramming a rep tool up a good heavy's @ss. Gal logis don't get points for scanning unless the squad is doing all the killing. Amarr logis have to stay alive and hope that people spawn on their equipment. Cal logis? Lol. I actually don't play a callogi, but nanohive spam is real, yet I never see callogis. Quick edit: I'm a pretty good logi, and I only average about 1500 wp a game in my amarr/gal.
I got 4500 WP in a min logi without shoving my Rep tool up a heavy's arse.
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