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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:09:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:"My narrow view is the only thing that's true". And you wonder why people are unwilling to engage with you on this subject?
The short of it is that you're wrong, and you're too stubborn to even listen to people explain where and why you are wrong. So I have to say I'm leaving this thread here, because it's just going to be the same thing over and over otherwise, you're going to go "WELL LOGI'S SHOULD HAVE A BONUS TO ALL EQUIPMENT" and someone's going to go "This list of reasons is why that isn't the case" and you're going to go "WELL I STILL THINK THIS AND I'M GOING TO IGNORE WHATEVER U SAID". You might even resort to some more flawed parallels, or other inane failings of reasoning.
You havent listed reasons why they shoudn't, you've listed reasons why they get their current bonuses.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:09:00 -
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And we have explained that they are.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:24:00 -
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Ok Mina, Actually explain why you feel Logis shouldnt be better at using equipment than other suits. Aside from the different warfare types which you got wrong, you havent tried to explain why they shouldnt. If you give valid reasons I'll drop it and i'll admit you are right.
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Mina Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:33:00 -
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^lol. I got the different racial warfare types wrong? How? Literally, I am asking you to prove how I am wrong, cause I can point to a variety of ships in eve that get bonuses to specific warfare link types, and even to the specific patches that changed them from their single role bonuses (caldari = siege, amarr = armored, gallente = information, minmatar = skirmish) to when they were made to cover broader influences. I also provided a well reasoned explanation for how these 'doctrines' translate into dust.
You are also misrepresenting my position. I have never said logi's shouldn't be better at using equipment than other suits. In fact what I have said is that they are better at using equipment than non-logi's.
In short. I still don't need to prove you wrong, because you've yet to prove yourself right and a large number of people have been pointing out where your information is incorrect, relying upon flawed understanding or just poorly reasoned.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.20 16:46:00 -
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Logis are better at using one piece of equipment each, that can hardly be considered better than other suits just because it can use one thing better.
If in EVE they dont have to have the bonuses just to one specific type, why should a logi be the same if they can do 2 or even 3 types of different warfare effectively?
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.06.20 17:31:00 -
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Yes, logi's get a targeted specialization... they also get a cost reduction and three or four equipment slots *and* large increases in pg/cpu over other fits. So they're better by virtue of being able to fit a lot of good equipment without having to sacrifice a fit and having that targeted specialty. They don't also on top of that need to be able to use every piece of equipment better than a non-logi, that's unbalanced.
Eve. Is. A. Different. Game. And. You. Cannot. Make. Accurate. Direct. Comparisons. To. Dust. With. It. Stop. Trying. To.
In eve logi's are oriented around remote repair - as they have command ships for fleet boosting, covert ops for scanning, recons for ewar and etcetera. Dust does not have four types of 'medium frame' per race with 6 further specialized ships on top of that (2 Heavy assaults, 2 recons, 1 logistics, 1 heavy interdictor, not counting strategic cruisers either)... in fact there's something like uh, 40-60? ships per race in eve and most typically have very, very specialized roles.
Dust does not have the same level of diversity or hyper-specialization, so stop trying to make direct ****ing comparisions between the two games as every single comparison you have made is ****ing wrong. I have to ask at this point, do you even PLAY eve? Have you ever? Because I started with eve back in 2007 and I've done everything in that game short of joining a nullsec alliance.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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