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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.05.31 03:50:00 -
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question:
cal assault fitted with a full racial shield tank and no plates or damage mods vs gallente assault with full armor tank and damage mods.
if they both use racial breach weapons, how much damage does the gal assault do at the RR's optimal range?
it would a breach RR at level 5 skills vs Breach AR at level 5 skills plus 3 damage mods.
im concerned that caldari would still be out performed damage wise (which why the weapon bnuses would be useful at making sure that doesnt happen) |
DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.05.31 04:06:00 -
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Rail rifle variants all feature highest damage per shot along with highest range, except the base variant which feature less damage per shot. why have you done this? |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.31 04:30:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:question:
cal assault fitted with a full racial shield tank and no plates or damage mods vs gallente assault with full armor tank and damage mods.
if they both use racial breach weapons, how much damage does the gal assault do at the RR's optimal range?
it would a breach RR at level 5 skills vs Breach AR at level 5 skills plus 3 damage mods.
im concerned that caldari would still be out performed damage wise (which why the weapon bnuses would be useful at making sure that doesnt happen)
This is why proper assault suit bonusing is critical
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.31 04:32:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Rail rifle variants all feature highest damage per shot along with highest range, except the base variant which feature less damage per shot. why have you done this?
Because they also have the lowest DPS due to rate of fire.
Railguns in new eden are traditionally hammer shots that hit slowly. Only out-alpha'd and beaten in sluggishness by minmatar artillery
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.31 06:32:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Rattati already stated that Amarrian weapons get extra DPS to compensate for their heat buildup. Add that into your calculations. that extra DPS torches shield suits and is the primary reason no one wants to run them except a few maniacs and masochists.
Not always true. I have a Caldari assault just for running into groups of heavies while laughing because the damage is negligible when compared to hitting armor.
The cup is not half empty as pacifists sayyyyyyyyy
AIV member.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.31 06:49:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Rattati already stated that Amarrian weapons get extra DPS to compensate for their heat buildup. Add that into your calculations. that extra DPS torches shield suits and is the primary reason no one wants to run them except a few maniacs and masochists. Not always true. I have a Caldari assault just for running into groups of heavies while laughing because the damage is negligible when compared to hitting armor.
I'm actually talking about scramblers
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.31 13:26:00 -
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Meh. I'm not really a fan. Mostly because I like the Rock/Paper/Scissors mechanics of Eve Online and Dust 514 and I think they need to be expanded on rather than narrowed inward.
When I use an Assault Rifle on a Gal Assault, I want to know that I have a definite advantage in CQC due to my skill and fitting - not have it be a toss up because the fittings don't matter as much.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.05.31 16:05:00 -
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Francois Sanchez wrote:Oh finally a truly balanced proposition for rifles.
I like the fact that TTK is increased, it leaves more space for skill
Pretty much this.
I would also like to note that - depending on the margin - if TTK is increased enough on the Light Weapons (such as rifles) that allows for a larges palette within which to work on granting the Assault racial bonuses more weight/merit, something they are generally in need of.
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ps ~ it's still first thing in the morning for me at the moment, and we all know I look to concepts over particular numbers, but having said those things I'm thrilled by the idea of there being a solid method present for the LW game wide. Helps apply balance, helps the NPE (as weapons are more readily understood by incoming players), helps improve racial fits/gameplay as you can get utility from each race in a more stable way.
The merits of any given method can be debated, but I will take a game wide method that is clear and known over the lack of either of those things pretty much any day of the week. o7
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.05.31 16:08:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Option C would be my preference.
But let's get off the semantics.
Does anyone see problems with proposed stats?
Does anyone need clarification on how the stat blocks in the spreadsheets work?
I hope this set of questions gets a lot more feedback. I've used every rifle in the game, but I would much rather community feedback on the subject than try to use my own personal experience to define where the system is robust or weak (I believe using a sample size of one and defining it as purely accurate is a form of confirmation bias).
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.31 16:11:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Option C would be my preference.
But let's get off the semantics.
Does anyone see problems with proposed stats?
Does anyone need clarification on how the stat blocks in the spreadsheets work? I hope this set of questions gets a lot more feedback. I've used every rifle in the game, but I would much rather community feedback on the subject than try to use my own personal experience to define where the system is robust or weak (I believe using a sample size of one and defining it as purely accurate is a form of confirmation bias).
That and because Cross is heroically lazy.
And yet somehow manages to do things.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.05.31 16:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Option C would be my preference.
But let's get off the semantics.
Does anyone see problems with proposed stats?
Does anyone need clarification on how the stat blocks in the spreadsheets work? I hope this set of questions gets a lot more feedback. I've used every rifle in the game, but I would much rather community feedback on the subject than try to use my own personal experience to define where the system is robust or weak (I believe using a sample size of one and defining it as purely accurate is a form of confirmation bias). That and because Cross is heroically lazy. And yet somehow manages to do things.
Community feedback! It's in my job description 
Plus, turns out not everyone would be the same exact game I would  means I have to listen to be a decent CPM.
And if that means making others provide input rather than doing it all myself, well, I'll struggle through somehow 
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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Indianna Pwns
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.31 18:20:00 -
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I really like this proposal as it will allow a player to pick a racial rifle they like and really invest and specialise in it (dusts current skill tree rewards players for doing this) without feeling they will be gimped in some way. I.e lack of range on the AR compared to other rifles.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.01 07:54:00 -
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Good to see the comments. Keep em coming.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Bishop Harcourt
K-A-O-S theory
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Posted - 2015.06.01 10:01:00 -
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The problem I see(the only one) is you cannot use the amar as the baseline. They only have 2 of the 4 rifle(TAC & Assault) variants available. Same goes for the Minn and squids. Ratman cannot and should not try to balance around missing content.
Logibro,
Director,
KAOS THEORY's Official Minister of Science and Magic.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.01 10:17:00 -
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Bishop Harcourt wrote:The problem I see(the only one) is you cannot use the amar as the baseline. They only have 2 of the 4 rifle(TAC & Assault) variants available. Same goes for the Minn and squids. Ratman cannot and should not try to balance around missing content.
Read the proposal.
And look at the spreadsheets before you comment.
I added polite suggestiins for racial parity in the proposal as well.
And the balance is BY CLASS.
Not by race.
So even if rattati never adds the missing guns, breach baseline is 390 and the rail rifle and breach assault are still adjusted accordingly.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Bishop Harcourt
K-A-O-S theory
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Posted - 2015.06.01 10:29:00 -
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I read the doc and no spread sheet(a problem on my end, I believe) was to be found. No tabs, just a page with the proposal. I will check again after my break.
Logibro,
Director,
KAOS THEORY's Official Minister of Science and Magic.
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.06.01 10:51:00 -
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Bishop Harcourt wrote:I read the doc and no spread sheet(a problem on my end, I believe) was to be found. No tabs, just a page with the proposal. I will check again after my break.
The the names of the weapon classes are actually links to the pages. They're there. I missed it the first time I read it myself as well. |
Bishop Harcourt
K-A-O-S theory
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Posted - 2015.06.01 10:54:00 -
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OK, so it was a problem on my end. I had to sign out of Google and sign back in for the links to be clickable. OK my concerns are put to rest. Full rifle pairity is the lowest of the low hanging fruit as far as new content is concerned (IMO) no new assets needed, just your proposed stats.
Logibro,
Director,
KAOS THEORY's Official Minister of Science and Magic.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.01 11:42:00 -
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Trying to keep things as stupid simple as possible is the objective.
Database numbers are probably more mind numbing than drawing up the spreadsheets.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.02 15:58:00 -
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If anyone spots any math errors, let me know
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.02 16:05:00 -
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Francois Sanchez wrote:
I like the fact that TTK is increased, it leaves more space for skill
When you say "skill", do you mean skill in the traditional FPS sense (headshots, strafing/counterstrafing, positioning, etc)? Or do you mean wiggling around and hipfiring while AA aims your gun? I'd assume the former, but I ask as there are some who call the latter skill. Those some tend to favor extending TTK . The weaker our weapons and deeper our HP reserves, the less getting caught out in open or hit from behind matters.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.03 11:00:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
When you say "skill", do you mean skill in the traditional FPS sense (headshots, strafing/counterstrafing, positioning, etc)? Or do you mean wiggling around and hipfiring while AA aims your gun? I'd assume the former, but I ask as there are some who call the latter skill, and those some have historically favored extending TTK .
The way I see it, the weaker our weapons and deeper our HP reserves, the less getting caught out in open or hit from behind matters. More room for error =/= more room for skill.
One would hope wiggle strafing isn't considered skill, considering you could teach a chimp to do it. in fact if wiggling stayed as is I want ttk to become shorter.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.03 20:22:00 -
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Francois Sanchez wrote:Oh finally a truly balanced proposition for rifles.
I like the fact that TTK is increased, it leaves more space for skill
If TTK is too long, it devalues situational awareness and ambush/flanking tactics. Which is not to say that TTK is too short or long as is today, just be careful with that opinion. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.03 21:16:00 -
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Gotta say it all looks good and well thought out. Not looking good for the Tactical ScR though....... sigh.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.03 23:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Gotta say it all looks good and well thought out. Not looking good for the Tactical ScR though....... sigh.
Hate to say it bro, your baby's disproportionately balanced at this time
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.03 23:41:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Francois Sanchez wrote:Oh finally a truly balanced proposition for rifles.
I like the fact that TTK is increased, it leaves more space for skill If TTK is too long, it devalues situational awareness and ambush/flanking tactics. Which is not to say that TTK is too short or long as is today, just be careful with that opinion.
Agreed.
If its too long, it ends up being rifle wielding sentinels again because HP is the most significant variable.
So long as that is kept in mind, a slight increase in TTK shouldn't be a problem. Fingers crossed.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.04 00:44:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gotta say it all looks good and well thought out. Not looking good for the Tactical ScR though....... sigh. Hate to say it bro, your baby's disproportionately balanced at this time
Not really sure I could justify using it though with a 50% hit to standard DPS.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.06 11:54:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gotta say it all looks good and well thought out. Not looking good for the Tactical ScR though....... sigh. Hate to say it bro, your baby's disproportionately balanced at this time Not really sure I could justify using it though with a 50% hit to standard DPS.
1200 DPS vs shields at max skills with 3 mods is about twice what any other rifle can achieve. 50% DPS loss is absolutely justified. No other weapon comes close to achieving those numbers versus their target tank.
Also when the SCR has more armor DPS than the CR AFTER the 20% damage penalty then the weapon absolutely needs to get hit. Hard.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.06 13:00:00 -
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Never seen this much detail in rifle stats recently, it's awesome to read. What I find very strange though is how come the min out range the amarr? I know you said you didn't balance this by race but it still bothers me a bit
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.06.06 14:32:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Never seen this much detail in rifle stats recently, it's awesome to read. What I find very strange though is how come the min out range the amarr? I know you said you didn't balance this by race but it still bothers me a bit
Because it makees as much sense as the reverse.
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