Firstly used an Anti-Shield Semi-Automatic pistol in attempt to charge shot a heavy armour suit.

Followed up using admittedly what should be top tier CQC Anti-Shield Weaponry while you had 202 armour against a fully automatic CQC Anti-Armour Side Arm.

Not what I would have considered the best decisions in that scenario but I do understand the frustration of being subject to a charged shot then follow up volleys. It's roughly how I feel when a hit detection abusing Min Assault with half a hundred CR bullets just creates a wall of lead that cannot be dodged.

Personally I like the Idea of the ScR charged shot operating like the Ion Pistol, having a short animation post shot to prevent rapid application of further damage.

you engaged the first fight nearly at 40m, why not get closer first?
the second fight with the other assault, he clearly had the terrain advantage there, half his body was covered by the hill.


show us some footage of cqc fights with cr min assaults next time if you really want to showcase how UP the gal assault and AR are.

was a CreoDron Ion Pistol so it would have had enough of a charge shot to make him at least back off.

For real?

If I had gotten closer I would have had no cover - it's all open ground in that area. The second fight we both had terrain advantage, he had a hill, I had an entire cargo container.

Used the Ion Pistol because clearly the AR wasn't working in my favor - otherwise I would have been a lot better off in the first engagement. The Ion Pistol (despite it's lack of black coloring) was a CreoDron Ion Pistol so it would have had enough of a charge shot to make him at least back off.

As far as the AR versus Submachine Gun - he had an advanced suit with a standard SMG; if I had turned and tried to run I would have for sure died, if I had stood my ground I might have had a fighting chance. I didn't.

The premise here is that I should have had both a DPS advantage (<40m) and a Damage Profile advantage (more armor damage by comparison to his shields, we were both armor tankers so this should have facilitated an advantage on my end).

For whatever reason, the AR doesn't stand toe-to-toe against either the ASCR or the SCR right now.

is it just me or did anyone else notice the academy teleport gate at 0:45?

By the way I phrased the post poorly, the tone was not meant to be overly critical, the decision in that first fight just seemed to be things that seemed odd to me, though to be fair I'm not a full time Gal weapons user.

Thoughts on the Weapons Themselves

The AScR I can understand since it's recent 15% damage buff to make it competitive in the armour centric meta. Now I think that was a bit much to be honest. 5% maybe just to kick start it's use might have worked for us a bit better since it was pretty garbage due to the extreme damage profile.

Personally I do want to see the Duvolle/AR have a few changes to make it more powerful in CQC since I really like the AR as well.

Breakdown of the Side Arm Use in the First Fight

Jumps into Reactor Area 154 Armour -> Scans Target to Confirm Location -> Commits to Charged Ion Pistol Usage -> Misses Shot -> Falls Back -> Jumps -> Commits to AR usage

The reason you lost the exchange, in my opinion, is because you committed to the Ion Pistol shot and was not rewarded by a hit at the cost of the armour that you had regenerated during the lull in the fight. With no damage taken by the shot your opponent was in a comfortable position to pressure you and eventually take you out with the Breach SMG which is high damage per shot and very easy to control.

Since they were strafing and your were falling on a predictable jump arc they could quite easily manipulate Dusts poor hit detection in their favour.

In the second fight you just got shafted by the terrain advantage that he had. Fighting an enemy able to poke over the top is a tough situation no matter who you are. Smart move to move away from the combat zone. By and by I realised how easy it is to critique game play that is not my own so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Gotta get feed back to learn what you can do better next time. That's how I learned most of the Real Reborn Rotations and how to be certain I am drawing aggro, just asking party members for feed back on how I was tanking.

DAT play by play analysis doh...

By the way I phrased the post poorly, the tone was not meant to be overly critical, the decision in that first fight just seemed to be things that seemed odd to me, though to be fair I'm not a full time Gal weapons user.

Thoughts on the Weapons Themselves

The AScR I can understand since it's recent 15% damage buff to make it competitive in the armour centric meta. Now I think that was a bit much to be honest. 5% maybe just to kick start it's use might have worked for us a bit better since it was pretty garbage due to the extreme damage profile.

Personally I do want to see the Duvolle/AR have a few changes to make it more powerful in CQC since I really like the AR as well.

Breakdown of the Side Arm Use in the First Fight

Jumps into Reactor Area 154 Armour -> Scans Target to Confirm Location -> Commits to Charged Ion Pistol Usage -> Misses Shot -> Falls Back -> Jumps -> Commits to AR usage

The reason you lost the exchange, in my opinion, is because you committed to the Ion Pistol shot and was not rewarded by a hit at the cost of the armour that you had regenerated during the lull in the fight. With no damage taken by the shot your opponent was in a comfortable position to pressure you and eventually take you out with the Breach SMG which is high damage per shot and very easy to control.

Since they were strafing and your were falling on a predictable jump arc they could quite easily manipulate Dusts poor hit detection in their favour.

In the second fight you just got shafted by the terrain advantage that he had. Fighting an enemy able to poke over the top is a tough situation no matter who you are. Smart move to move away from the combat zone. By and by I realised how easy it is to critique game play that is not my own so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Gotta get feed back to learn what you can do better next time. That's how I learned most of the Real Reborn Rotations and how to be certain I am drawing aggro, just asking party members for feed back on how I was tanking.

The premise that I'm making here is that - aside from the trolls who are just hating on the Myro without thinking about how useful it was in either of those two clips - the Gal Assault should have had a marked advantage over the Amarr Assault considering racial flare. I dunno what it is missing or how to give the Gal Assault the extra boost it needs to warrant enough of an advantage to press the attack in that manner but it is, in fact, missing.

Not sure either tbh however I can say this.

If we adjust the ScR so that the Charged Shot cannot immediately be followed by a burst of normal fire by introducing an Ion Pistol like mechanic, so as to preserve the power of the shot but give it significant draw back, I think you would have had a better chance of fighting back.

Could a Slight Damage Increase per round of 1.6 from 37.4 to 39 help?

You have gained my respect

Because you arent a gallente assault that runs around with 700 armor.....with a ARR

you engaged the first fight nearly at 40m, why not get closer first?
the second fight with the other assault, he clearly had the terrain advantage there, half his body was covered by the hill.


show us some footage of cqc fights with cr min assaults next time if you really want to showcase how UP the gal assault and AR are.

Reasons u lost #1 scr op as hell
#2 your weapon functioning as it should against armor low dmg.its better agianst shield characters had it been acal or min wouldve done way better.
#3 scr op -_- that weapon should be doing way less armor dmg than the ar but dust logic dictates it should do more and community

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Been playing Dust 514 since June 1st, 2012
All proto Gallente Assault with Assault Rifle and Ion Pistol's completely max specced (all skills level 5)

Combat scenario: Me versus a handful ofAmarr Assaults with a Scrambler Rifles in a match.

These two little video clips are the ones where I should have had a clear, undisputed advantage in the situation for a variety of reasons:

- I have higher mobility (lighter armor/myros)
- I should theoretically have the best equipment in CQC (AR, Ion Pistol)
- My SP investment for this suit is maxxed out and cannot possibly progress any higher, I am literally at my peak
- My experience with the game and competitive combat should warrant at least decent skill-level
- My use of terrain was beneficial (if at first)

Here's how that played out.