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Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 236	Posted - 2015.05.09 13:52:00 - [1] - Quote In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Raz Sidona M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn 87	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:03:00 - [2] - Quote It's partly cause warpoints are more important. They determine your sp rewards, idk rewards, and your position on the leaderboard after battles. Why worry about kd? Worry about warpoints to
LT SHANKS You In The Nutz 5834	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:13:00 - [3] - Quote Two months ago, I dropped from a 1.73 KD/R to 1.72. It hasn't gone back up and even nearing 50k kills, I couldn't care less about it because 1.0 was the goal I had set out to achieve many moons ago.
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 138	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:16:00 - [4] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people because KD means almost nothing when you get put up against proto stompers or complete noobs meaning if you play against mostly new players you'll have a better kd but if you get put up against proto you'll have a harder time then there are those who play the I must not die at all cost type and sit back in the redline with a sniper rifle in a heavy suit or in a tank or those that only play in a squad specifically to keep them alive so KD does NOT = skill so whether or not you are getting better or getting luckier is really up to the type of players you are getting put up against a good way to know how good you are is by the amount of hater & or amount of hate mail you get when playing legitly
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 236	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:18:00 - [5] - Quote At least it sounds like you had a goal . 1kill for 1 death. Taking one of those damn red berry's with you =ƒÿä General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
DUST Fiend 16970	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:18:00 - [6] - Quote Its a very small niche game with no true competitive scene, and is very easy to farm obscene amounts of kills in. AKA, KD is an emotional stat This thread is now a dance party ~ Dances Boldly ~ DUST STUFF
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8478	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:19:00 - [7] - Quote There is no benefit to a high K/D. Results are the metric that matter in battle and those results are rewarded with warpoints. You can go 10/2 with a K/D of 5. You will receive a respectable 500 warpoints, which represents a solid overall contribution to the fight. But if I go on a vehicle dedestroying orgy, stopping to hack points along the way I might go (on a good day) 8/13 but finish with 1500+ warpoints and the satisfaction of the destruction of several million ISK in other people's assets. Your 5 KDR is nice. You're going to walk away with around 150,000-170,000 ISK. I'm walking away with 300,000-500,000 ISK and probably a lot of tears and hatemail sent for me to cherish. Also in comparison, if I instead go full assault, berserk the enemy and hack everything in sight, getting 1300 warpoints but going 20/20 and the team wins, which is more valuable? KDR or the end result of the battle? Violently aggressive players tend to reap more rewards than cautious ones who get a high K/D but accomplish very little. Bragging rights aren't valued by everyone, and especially with rattati's upcoming theory of changing match payouts, the ruthless pragmatists who care about results ate going to reap more rewards than those who seek bragging rights. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4627	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:19:00 - [8] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, The game should be about fun, not all players are good marksman, according to what you say they should be all sniping. I'm glad that many people do not care about KDR. Shaman's Shack - A place to trade Training to be a packed RE master launcher
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6484	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:20:00 - [9] - Quote KD is meaningless. The most important stat to me is ISK lost per WP. Kills don't matter because there's more to the game than killing, and deaths don't matter because a death could mean losing anywhere from 10K isk to a million ISK in Dust. Bang for your buck is what's important. Some details can be ignored
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 780	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:22:00 - [10] - Quote Eve players were going to hire us to defend their planetary assets (PI factories, mineral harvesters, Cloud City gas harvester?). They were going to have a mercenary market and make contracts based on our performance statistics. Eve players were going to play mercenaries against each other like playing cards. You think you can take my Robotics Factory? I'll hire kazukia sniper to defend it, even though his rates are sky high. Scotty was never supposed to do the matchmaking, it was supposed to be the Eve "Spreadsheet Junkies" who arranged marches. Now our matches are based on our previous match performance. If you have an amazing game, the matches just get harder and harder until you're only playing vs mad-skills Asians. If you have a bad round, you're rewarded with an easy round full of wholesale n00b slaughter...which really isn't that great either when you realize STD weapons are overkill vs MLT. Without any reasonable expectation of long-term benefits from stats (Eve connection), and the certainty of escalating difficulty, and my extensive collection of BPOs, I just play for the minute by minute experience of FPS action with 0 ISK costs. I'm mostly saving ISK for the day I can buy collectable BPOs. The matches have gotten better lately, my ISK efficiency is better, I've had more fun, and my K/D has steadily declined. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]

TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1151	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:23:00 - [11] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about THEIR KD at all but why? I can understand logis, THEY'RE relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people FTFY. I could not stand the error.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3903	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:26:00 - [12] - Quote Funny how TF2 (also a very team oriented game) does not show kd on the leaderboards, only points scored (aka WP) Because KD is a selfish stat, that's why. Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1656	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:31:00 - [13] - Quote Because KD won't change at all my experience. I know some nova knifers that love to go flawless and only pick on the noob targets. They go like 3/0 , hiding all match. I go 20 / 6 and I'm having a blast. Even 6/20 , I'm still having a blast. Why the f* would KD matter ? Looking for a tax-free , friendly and active corp ?** Join Corrosive Synergy !
Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 424	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:32:00 - [14] - Quote Raz Sidona wrote: It's partly cause warpoints are more important. They determine your sp rewards, idk rewards, and your position on the leaderboard after battles. Why worry about kd? Worry about warpoints to You are looking at the KDR stat the wrong way and I think that is why you don't see the importance. A person's KDR at the end of any particular match does not matter, it's your overall KDR that matters. People who care about their KDR on a match-by-match basis are going about reading that stat wrong. WarPoints on the other hand is something that you would measure on a match-by-match basis.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 765	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:34:00 - [15] - Quote What realm am I in? Whos time of man is I upon my gaze unto? Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 295	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:41:00 - [16] - Quote The amount people "say" they care is inversely proportional to their KDR. People do actually care. But it doesn't actually matter. For me it's my own measure of personal progress as my playstyle is roughly a constant but I can draw no conclusions comparing it with others.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 237	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:43:00 - [17] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: Because KD won't change at all my experience. I know some nova knifers that love to go flawless and only pick on the noob targets. They go like 3/0 , hiding all match. I go 20 / 6 and I'm having a blast. Even 6/20 , I'm still having a blast. Why the f*** would KD matter ? KD is competitive between friends. No it may not help on the battlefield its self but it will make me think twice before I rush several enemy's. As for nova knifes I couldn't care less about them as long as there not all up in my face General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 237	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:45:00 - [18] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about THEIR KD at all but why? I can understand logis, THEY'RE relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people FTFY. I could not stand the error. Fast typing, small phone and my awful spelling leads to mistakes. No ones perfect =ƒæî General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8483	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:51:00 - [19] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: The amount people "say" they care is inversely proportional to their KDR. People do actually care. But it doesn't actually matter. The only people who care about K/D are people who. Take themselves seriously and think an arbitrary stat in a video game matters. My positive win/loss ratio means more to me than KD both when I was running solidly positive and after I let my KD flush itself. I like winning. I will do whatever it takes to push the enemies' collective sht in. If this means sacrificing my KD to do so? So be it. There's never enough sh*posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:02:00 - [20] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people I think most bitter casuals that play 4-5 hours a week hate the concept of K/D. Because largely it is a number that makes them feel inadequate and marginalized. Stopping them from being able to join certain corporations or participate in certain past events because of the lack of efficiency in competitive matches. So instead these players do the classic Helicopter parenting mindset and go for "Participation points".. Aka war-points. So they get a ribbon that tells everyone they participated then mock the people who get 1st, 2nd and 3rd. calling them try-hards and proto stompers. The rest of the player base that is ultra competitive, See's K/D as a number that can be constantly improved and representative at how efficient they are in the New Eden galaxy at removing threats before they go down, Some at 6-8 K/D while spending a majority of their DUST career in PC in ultra competitive circumstances with full proto type on the field. It's the mindset that CCP has coddled in this game and largely created. DUST 514 started with hardcore FPS players, PLayers that where tired of BF3 and CoD and saw EVE online's hardcore nature, Players that where watching MAG die and looking for another home, Extremely talented fps players from Soccom... The hardcore players from EVE online, largely mainly PC fps players. And we had an ultra competitive dynamic player base.. What alot of Developers dream of. Where there was 100 good corporation options to join with amazing talented FPS players teaching and bringing players up... CCP has spent 3 years dumbing DUST down while removing as many items from the game as they have added. This game has largely just spun it's wheels in the mud for 3 years while trying to chase a casual player in the bush while alienating their hardcore FPS player base. Now CCP is left with maybe 200 veterans from beta.. And 20-30k completely new cycled in population. Killing someone now happens in 1-2 seconds, you forget their name 2-5 seconds later and it means nothing.... Opposed to DUST without Aim assist, where duels where edge of your seat, Every muscle in your body tensed.. every bit of skill you have been practicing put to the test.... Then afterwards mutual respect between the players after doing this dance for a match. They tore the heart out of DUST 514 to try and grab a few CoD players. It's sad.. but it shows exactly what CCP Shanghai is

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7370	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:04:00 - [21] - Quote There are other ways of getting better rewards than just killing. I prefer being a Ghost Hacker rather than a murderous maniac.
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 297	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:12:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: The amount people "say" they care is inversely proportional to their KDR. People do actually care. But it doesn't actually matter. The only people who care about K/D are people who. Take themselves seriously and think an arbitrary stat in a video game matters. My positive win/loss ratio means more to me than KD both when I was running solidly positive and after I let my KD flush itself. I like winning. I will do whatever it takes to push the enemies' collective sh*t in. If this means sacrificing my KD to do so? So be it. I agree and have a similar philosophy in game. The point I was making is that it's useful/important to ones self and not a useful metric in comparing with others. My w/l ratio does not mean a lot to me as I play solo a lot and have little control over who else is in my matches and will frequently get dumped into matches that are already lost but I play through for the experience and eom salvage. KDR is a much easier stat to manipulate than w/l for those who are that way inclined.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 237	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:18:00 - [23] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: The amount people "say" they care is inversely proportional to their KDR. People do actually care. But it doesn't actually matter. The only people who care about K/D are people who. Take themselves seriously and think an arbitrary stat in a video game matters. My positive win/loss ratio means more to me than KD both when I was running solidly positive and after I let my KD flush itself. I like winning. I will do whatever it takes to push the enemies' collective sh*t in. If this means sacrificing my KD to do so? So be it. I agree and have a similar philosophy in game. The point I was making is that it's useful/important to ones self and not a useful metric in comparing with others. My w/l ratio does not mean a lot to me as I play solo a lot and have little control over who else is in my matches and will frequently get dumped into matches that are already lost but I play through for the experience and eom salvage. KDR is a much easier stat to manipulate than w/l for those who are that way inclined. I agree but not with the whole manipulating kd/r . It is much easier to get your KD up due to its relying on you but however wl/r is relying on your whole team. Not just 1 person General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 297	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:34:00 - [24] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: The amount people "say" they care is inversely proportional to their KDR. People do actually care. But it doesn't actually matter. The only people who care about K/D are people who. Take themselves seriously and think an arbitrary stat in a video game matters. My positive win/loss ratio means more to me than KD both when I was running solidly positive and after I let my KD flush itself. I like winning. I will do whatever it takes to push the enemies' collective sh*t in. If this means sacrificing my KD to do so? So be it. I agree and have a similar philosophy in game. The point I was making is that it's useful/important to ones self and not a useful metric in comparing with others. My w/l ratio does not mean a lot to me as I play solo a lot and have little control over who else is in my matches and will frequently get dumped into matches that are already lost but I play through for the experience and eom salvage. KDR is a much easier stat to manipulate than w/l for those who are that way inclined. I agree but not with the whole manipulating kd/r . It is much easier to get your KD up due to its relying on you but however wl/r is relying on your whole team. Not just 1 person You agree entirely - you may just need to read it again
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8488	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:38:00 - [25] - Quote I run solo almost exclusively. Even when I'm losing, and alone, I'm going to kill as many proto stompers as I can. Most of what KDR involves is mindset. If your headspace has the rule of KD is most important how will you react when I come waddling up behind you in a quafe suit and shoot you in the back of the head, lowering your K/D? what happens if during the process of you coming to attack me in the place I am entrenched and I instablap you with a forge gun? Do you grit your teeth and soldier on, chalking it up as a setback? Or do you get mad, cuss yell about how it's unfair and generally get buttmad? Guess which one I'd rather listen to in comms. I've had people ditch my squad because a tank I happened to be in the process of exterminating happened to kill them. They were mad that I was apparently unable to "do my job" when I was charging my third shot, and the meta at the time required 5. K/D whoring engenders a lot of utterly contemptible behavior, and I refuse to be that guy who flings his controller and shrilly screams like an angry 5 year old when a proto fit gets vaped. And god help you if you scream in my ear because you got your ass killed. I will wound your inner child right before I TK you nonstop until match ends or you leave. That's why KDR has no value to me, more than any other factor. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16500	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:47:00 - [26] - Quote I long gave up on K/DR when I stopped playing regularly. Every time I get back I need a decent time to adjust, and by the time I do adjust I go on a DUSTcation again. This adjustment time just KILLS my K/DR like you wouldn't believe. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 59	Posted - 2015.05.09 17:23:00 - [27] - Quote IDGAFF, I'll rush a full squad of Protos countless times over and over again. By myself, why? For the lulz. Nothing brings me more pleasure than annoying the living S* out of people that care too much about a game. Kill me 20-30-40 times, doesn't matter.... OOOOO CAN I HAZ A SUIT THAT BLOWNS UP ON MY OPPONENTS!!!!! Kamikaze style?just to show how many f** I give about KD CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1478	Posted - 2015.05.09 18:49:00 - [28] - Quote KD is crap , I prefer isk efficiency. That is how I have always been n Eve Online as well... I might have lost a bunch of ships, but I made a lot more wallets emptier than mine in the process. Too bad on here you can't keep track of stats like that , you only get the observation of knowing you just killed a few proto users while dying several times in a standard cheap fit. My eve stats are something like 8 billion isk lost since 2006.... with oh, around 600 billion destoryed with no supers/titans in them stats
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1822	Posted - 2015.05.09 19:16:00 - [29] - Quote It seems the players who have a good K/DR care the most about it, but it's a circle because if it matters to you, you probably play with a style that protects it. There's nothing wrong with wanting a good one, or striving to get better, but I like to play aggressively and not worry about it. My goal in DUST is to have fun. Worrying about a stat isn't on my priority list. The real question is: Do I ever actually have fun? "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19526	Posted - 2015.05.09 20:06:00 - [30] - Quote I laugh in the fact of 12 to 1 odds as their suits glistens in gil mine glistens in quafe my mind wanders to the paycheck payout ill be getting. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked

Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 671	Posted - 2015.05.09 20:55:00 - [31] - Quote My p*nis is an adequate length, I have a real girl, I do not shy away from reality, I periodically leave my house. Therefore, this kdr thing means nothing to me. I do not need an epeen. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8510	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:02:00 - [32] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: I have a real girl, And you cannot stick an epeen into this real girl, nor would I think she would be impressed by it. Well said. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3556	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:55:00 - [33] - Quote I like to get a good K/D, but there are other things that are more important. W/L, for example, is much more important than K/D to me. If you're doing your job right, your K/D doesn't matter - especially in PC. K/D is also a very dodgy stat. It can be easily inflated by camping or sniping, and it can be unfairly brought down by lag or glitches. To summarise, K/D is not a reliable stat to gauge a player's skill. That being said, I still get really annoyed if I go negative. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Day 23/30 exclusively Minja
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1223	Posted - 2015.05.09 22:50:00 - [34] - Quote It's all personal preference. What do you care about? Being a deadly slayer and getting tons of kills? Then sure, KD will probably be important to you. I like to win games (as long as they're not completely one-sided), so for me as long as the team wins I don't care at all about a KD. Who cares what some sniper has to say. **--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles-
clown babee All Up In Your Butt 2	Posted - 2015.05.09 22:57:00 - [35] - Quote As a fairly new player I must admit that I get excited when I see a positive KDR after a match ( I guess I mean over 1 as positive). However I don't care at all when I have a lower one. When I see 7 kills 5 assists and 13 deaths (which is pretty consistent) I feel satisfied. I also usually end with 1k warpoints minimum and a nice isk and sp payout so that helps a lot. I guess my point is that I would love to increase my kdr but the way i play, which is either logi or complete madman assault rush, I don't think i'll ever get to 1 and if i do it won't get much higher. but like a lot of others said - i have a great time when i play. i play a lot of solo and i die a lot more then but i still usually do well and when i have a team i do better but still die a lot. I think, though, i usually make A LOT more isk then i spend.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18876	Posted - 2015.05.09 23:05:00 - [36] - Quote Short answer to the long question is that personally I value winning over personally doing well (in a competitive match) so I can and am willing to throw myself time and time again at something if it secures the win. Outside of those competitive matches I don't care enough to bother with preservation of KD or farming for KD. "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1198	Posted - 2015.05.09 23:05:00 - [37] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: The amount people "say" they care is inversely proportional to their KDR. People do actually care. But it doesn't actually matter. The only people who care about K/D are people who. Take themselves seriously and think an arbitrary stat in a video game matters. My positive win/loss ratio means more to me than KD both when I was running solidly positive and after I let my KD flush itself. I like winning. I will do whatever it takes to push the enemies' collective sh*t in. If this means sacrificing my KD to do so? So be it. I agree and have a similar philosophy in game. The point I was making is that it's useful/important to ones self and not a useful metric in comparing with others. My w/l ratio does not mean a lot to me as I play solo a lot and have little control over who else is in my matches and will frequently get dumped into matches that are already lost but I play through for the experience and eom salvage. KDR is a much easier stat to manipulate than w/l for those who are that way inclined. Rubbish. Join squad, proto stomp nubs manipulate w/l pretty much same as how to get kd and wp up.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 320	Posted - 2015.05.09 23:06:00 - [38] - Quote The overall result and supporting the team is more important to me than my K/D Purifier. First Class.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4660	Posted - 2015.05.09 23:24:00 - [39] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people Working towards improving within the game is fun and rewarding no doubt That being said KDR isn't the clearest metric for tracking personal improvement within Dust, and it's even less valuable for tracking comparative skill/team contribution. ISK destroyed vs ISK lost per death. War Points earned per death. Revives and total HP repaired per death. Vehicle damage points/destruction's per death. Hacks per death. Objective counter hacks per death. W/L ratio. All of these are more useful direct indicators than simple KDR, sadly most of them are not directly tracked and presented to the player and KD in the right contexts can imply a certain degree of these in a very rough way. Then there's the question of "death" as recorded by KDR. Every time a merc drops to the downed status KDR records it as a "death" thus encouraging some players to sacrifice good tactics (getting picked up) in favor of good stats (higher KDR). Now not every pick up is created equally and there are times when even outright suicide holds the best tactical value, but on balance a team is helped towards the win by its players taking a risky revive as opposed to 'zerging' to respawn. Yet the current accounting system for KDR punishes that valuable tactical risk with a higher potential stat loss and players respond accordingly. And all of that is without even touching on active stat padding, or instilling highly risk averse activities into players. (A player can get a very high KDR in a match, and repeat this as a match to match average, while engaging in behaviors that contribute minimally to either keeping your teammates alive and active or securing the match victory.) Leaving the questions of good tactics and specific metric reporting aside there's the "boredom factor" also distorts the value KD can hold as a stat for many players. If you become more reckless, in any of a vast array of possible ways, when there isn't a lot happening in a match, you become more likely to die as a result of hostile action or your own and that of course impacts your KD. If you have semi-frequent matches that devolve into a less than active state you're KD is then reflecting not your personal talent curve so much as your personal response to matchmaking et al. So while striving to be a positive factor in winning the match, and trying to minimize clone loss for your team, is totally worth while. And tracking your stats for self-improvement can be useful and fun. There are many reasons why KDR in Dust 514 isn't a highly viable or useful stat most of the time. 0.02 ISK Cross CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1482	Posted - 2015.05.10 00:21:00 - [40] - Quote when you see a guy , as example, named McLovin619 go 17-0 with 0 wp in an ambush when his buds are on opposing side..and then go 10-4 when he on their side... you realize kdr is a joke

Albyat Tyre Glitched Connection 125	Posted - 2015.05.10 00:23:00 - [41] - Quote I worked my kdr up to 1.34 but I wasn't having fun. So then, I said f*** it . Spent one entire dom match in free suit suicide leap from mcc. Had a blast. Died 32 times before match was over. Kdr down to 1.18 and I'm having fun again. Didn't care who i pissed off but it was fun watching the mass exedus from the match. My wife says I'm an a $$hole. What do you think. Do I care . NOT. To live as one shall live, I prefer killing red dots.
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 64	Posted - 2015.05.10 00:28:00 - [42] - Quote Albyat Tyre wrote: I worked my kdr up to 1.34 but I wasn't having fun. So then, I said f*** it . Spent one entire dom match in free suit suicide leap from mcc. Had a blast. Died 32 times before match was over. Kdr down to 1.18 and I'm having fun again. Didn't care who i pissed off but it was fun watching the mass exedus from the match. My wife says I'm an a $$hole. What do you think. Do I care . NOT. You sir inspire me. CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8532	Posted - 2015.05.10 00:57:00 - [43] - Quote Albyat Tyre wrote: I worked my kdr up to 1.34 but I wasn't having fun. So then, I said f* it . Spent one entire dom match in free suit suicide leap from mcc. Had a blast. Died 32 times before match was over. Kdr down to 1.18 and I'm having fun again. Didn't care who i pissed off but it was fun watching the mass exedus from the match. My wife says I'm an a $$hole. What do you think. Do I care . NOT. You, my boy, have a bright future in AWOXING Planetary conquest. There's never enough shposting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2421	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:01:00 - [44] - Quote Albyat Tyre wrote: I worked my kdr up to 1.34 but I wasn't having fun. So then, I said f* it . Spent one entire dom match in free suit suicide leap from mcc. Had a blast. Died 32 times before match was over. Kdr down to 1.18 and I'm having fun again. Didn't care who i pissed off but it was fun watching the mass exedus from the match. My wife says I'm an a $$hole. What do you think. Do I care . NOT. You should get an entire squad into it(on alts of course) and see how quickly you can clone yourselves out. General John Ripper -BAM!** I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
cris bleu Carbon 7 144	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:27:00 - [45] - Quote One of the things I like about Dust is there are different ways to "win", eg win the match, earn a high KDR or a bunch of ISK or (for me) SP advancement. I dunno if any necessarily mean you're good at the game, I think anyone can legitimately set their own personal goal and that's great if it means they have fun. Personally, I don't care much about KDR (logi), but I can't deny a small feeling of satisfaction when it eventually crept above 1.00 after a year of play.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8538	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:31:00 - [46] - Quote Are you enjoying playing? If yes move to second question. Do the people you play with (like squads) enjoy your company? If yes, move to next section CONGRATULATIONS! You're good at DUST 514. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Eros Adonai Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 290	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:44:00 - [47] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people Worrying about KD doesn't make a good player, or win matches...Also, a lot of people play video games for the sake of having fun. Many people with high KD's have taken all the fun out of this game for themselves by obsessing over numbers that nobody else gives a sht about. I've seen too many supposed 'elite' players leave potentialy fantastic matches, when faced with stiff competition, for fear of having their precious numbers dented. In short, I don't care because I'm not that kind of crazy Director - Corrosive Synergy**
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1357	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:44:00 - [48] - Quote Cuz in games like Dust kd has no meaning. It has no meaning because of how easy it is to get high kd with little effort. KD matters in games where you win rounds by killing. By killing players on your level. Caldari Loyalist thecreaturehub fan
Balts Xryiel Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:47:00 - [49] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: At least it sounds like you had a goal . 1kill for 1 death. Taking one of those damn red berry's with you =ƒÿä That feel when you die and manage to take down a red berry with you.....it feels GOOD -One does not just RE a Heavy-
castba Rogue Instincts New Eden's Heros 875	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:57:00 - [50] - Quote K/D shouldn't even be recorded in Dust. Battles would be more chaotic (especially with BPO fits) since ISK would be the major drawback for dying - as it should be for this game. Also when the most effective player in a skirmish can be one that doesn't even get a kill (cloaked speed hacker) or the clone-saving Logi in Ambush or even the tank/DS scaring or destroying dedicated AVer, perhaps a better question should be why should K/D matter? "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti

The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels Learning Alliance 198	Posted - 2015.05.10 13:30:00 - [51] - Quote i joined a veteran corp, first thing they asked was 'whats your k/d?' i laughed and quit the corp. Silly noobs The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Eros Adonai Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 290	Posted - 2015.05.10 13:51:00 - [52] - Quote The Lion ElJonson wrote: i joined a veteran corp, first thing they asked was 'whats your k/d?' i laughed and quit the corp. Silly noobs Respect o7 Director - Corrosive Synergy
The KTM DuKe Dead Man's Game 194	Posted - 2015.05.10 13:58:00 - [53] - Quote Kd whores are those that make this game unbalanceble as they ruin every matchmaking logic Warning, Forgegun proof V! The 1st Surf-Forgegunner in a PC. Hunting officer gear users.
Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1191	Posted - 2015.05.10 14:13:00 - [54] - Quote The KTM DuKe wrote: Kd whores are those that make this game unbalanceble as they ruin every matchmaking logic Ha, says the guy who was Thaling earlier today. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 863	Posted - 2015.05.10 15:07:00 - [55] - Quote Please look here What does this get me? I'll worry about KDR when it gets me something. When I get bpo's or officer weapons for maintaining a bad ass KDR then I'll worry about it. Until then, I just wanna have fun with my corp mates and play my favorite game Dust 514 Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2187	Posted - 2015.05.10 15:11:00 - [56] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people I got a K/D of like 2.4. Could be higher but I don't give a damn. I only care about net gains of ISK. I rarely ever run proto and I enjoy jilhading tanks and running suicide clear out the objective fits. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1301	Posted - 2015.05.10 15:18:00 - [57] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people Dust is a game on life support, at this point most folks just no longer care about their kd as a result.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11616	Posted - 2015.05.10 15:49:00 - [58] - Quote Mainly because of my play style. I'm not a logi but I am technically a slayer in some form. I'm a dedicated ninja knifer running around in a flimsy Minmatar scout suit. So my KDR suffers greatly especially when I have difficulty trying to catch someone by surprise. I learned to get use to it because what matters to me more right now is how I got my kill. It's not often you get to kill a tank with a pair of knives. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11616	Posted - 2015.05.10 15:50:00 - [59] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people Dust is a game on life support, at this point most folks just no longer care about their kd as a result. Actually, I stopped caring about my KDR long before Dust even came out of beta. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Green Living Gallente Gay Swag Club 1520	Posted - 2015.05.10 16:19:00 - [60] - Quote I play FPS solely for the K/D ratio stat. I enjoy killing while not being killed. It's just how I get my kicks.

se7ensaints Chatelain Rapid Response 0	Posted - 2015.05.10 17:52:00 - [61] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people i went from 0.35 to 0.99 in two days. i had made stupid decisions with SP previously and then i got a respec :) now i just slay people down before i was averaging a KD of 8/12 now i do 45/1 in most matches. (i am a lone wolf i have never played in a squad, been playing for 9 months now). but currently i cannot play as i lost my controller so my progress has been stopped. K/D actually means nothing, im only increasing my kd to get into a good corp, some really good players have negative KD's but they are still very skilled. it's just like the loyalty ranks even though you may be a sergeant and someone is a brigadier that doesn't mean in anyway the brigadier is better than the sergeant Praise BENDNOVA research rooftop OUTNUMBERED 777 shield
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 683	Posted - 2015.05.10 18:11:00 - [62] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people Most players dont care about KDR because its basically a ** waving contest, and most people realize waving your ** around in public isnt very nice. Corporations however often screen by KDR, because if your KDR is below 2 (or 3, or 4, or whatever), it can indicate that the player has some issues or isnt up to your corp's standards, because overall in pub play its pretty easy for decent people to get a 3, 4, 5, etc KDR without really trying, even if that KDR drops to 1 or 2 in more competitive environments like PC.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 860	Posted - 2015.05.10 19:36:00 - [63] - Quote In my eyes KD as a stat is meaningless in New Eden. Death does not mean anything when you are immortal, so why would we care about a stat that derives from that? ISK on the other hand, that is what makes or breaks an immortal mercenary. ISK destroyed / ISK lost would be a interesting stat to have on the end of match screen.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 242	Posted - 2015.05.10 23:22:00 - [64] - Quote So theres mixed reasons according to you guys .No benefits . Not having fun (apparently) . Diffident roles (logi) Yet for some reason you all love it when your on the top of the leader board because of WP. Its more challenging to get kills than WP . Personally more satisfying when I kill a proto assault instead of 2 team spawns . But however you have enlightened me to why alit of you don't care and I thank you for that General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18896	Posted - 2015.05.10 23:28:00 - [65] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So theres mixed reasons according to you guys .No benefits . Not having fun (apparently) . Diffident roles (logi) Yet for some reason you all love it when your on the top of the leader board because of WP. Its more challenging to get kills than WP . Personally more satisfying when I kill a proto assault instead of 2 team spawns . But however you have enlightened me to why alit of you don't care and I thank you for that Usually that means I've racked up a high ISK destroyed vs ISK lost ratio. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1659	Posted - 2015.05.11 00:25:00 - [66] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people I care about it, but it is only one measure of how effective you are or jow well you play. You can have s high kdr and have little impact in the game and low kdr and have a high impact. I think most people do care about their kdr though. Because, that's why.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1366	Posted - 2015.05.11 01:05:00 - [67] - Quote If your K/D is positive and you aren't a logi thats good enough for me. I run all roles and do some crazy stuff. K/D don't matter to me, although it is always nice to see it go up. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 43 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1506	Posted - 2015.05.11 01:36:00 - [68] - Quote Are you serious? K/DR is CoD drek. It focuses on the wrong thing. Are you killing them more than they are killing you? In Dust514 you are a Merc that has multiple clones to use in a battle. If you die taking out a tank with a full crew, good for you. Or you might just prefer killing tanks (which means I hate you) but you might die multiple times getting that one tough sucker. Here WP is king, as it feeds SP which is the only way to get better. The game has many failings. We have learned to adjust. W/L record is a joke. Why? Because Scottie still drops you into a battle that is in the DEFEAT screen, and they still count it as a loss! Because Scotty. For those with K/DR focus it means when you are getting proto-stomped either you throw equipment at it the problem or sit in the red line. Or leave the battle. The game is horribly unbalanced. It is by design. Everything in New Eden is about not being balanced, it is about stabbing the other guy in the back. Using a cheap ship to jump in and destroy a large ship that took months to build. We are all in New Eden and balance, honor, respect and playing well are not respected nor are they rewarded. In fact they are punished more often than not. You have no idea how much venom has been spewed here because the CoD/BF(3/4) crowd hates having Logis outscore them. He didn't even get any kills! He has to rank lower than me! Mommy CCP, please gank them. And Mommy CCP did. And did again. And again. Same for Heavies. There is no possibility that the game will be balanced here in New Eden. Every Release/Hotfix/Patch will introduce some new device/functionality that will ruin some game aspect for others. Example: CCP loves their Scouts and scanning. So scanners were introduced, removed as not working (like at all, quite tragic), reintroduced then required to even survive with cloakers thus depriving many of the Logi an equipment slot. When they realized that Mercs used them as designed and got 360 degree views they ganked the holy living crap out of them. In the last two months I have been playing I have yet to see one scanner that wasn't in a vehicle. So why were scanners introduced in the first place? Good question. Check my postings in the non-Dust forum, the Locker Room. MOG* has none of these issues. And K/DR isn't nearly an issue because getting revived removes the death but allows the kill to be counted. Then there is the whole Zerg rush that happens from time to time. * My Other Game My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
VAHZZ 1953	Posted - 2015.05.11 01:38:00 - [69] - Quote Because only scrubs care about kdr. "I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter." Union of the Serpents OG
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3168	Posted - 2015.05.11 01:48:00 - [70] - Quote People do not care much (and believe me if I tell you that Dust is one of the most "KDR-conservative" games I've ever seen) about KDR because it is just a statistic. It doesn't define you as a player, nor it does define your skills. It just tells you how many people you kill before dying, without taking into accout what you did before dying, why you died, how much damage you dealt, against who, how much time passed before dying etc. It's so precise and exploitable that it shouldn't be taken into account, ever. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8587	Posted - 2015.05.11 07:55:00 - [71] - Quote Actually on the CoD drek comment thus brings up a very valid point that most people miss entirely. In most shooters KDR is the only metric really that matters. Why? Because there's no real large-scale metagame. At most a shooter has four "classes" and a limited number of weapon unlocks. Once you get the achievements for all of the unlocks, you have bypassed all other concerns and gun game becomes the only factor, dominance over all comers is the game at rhat point, win or lose. In DUST kills vs. Deaths are only one factor. Winning in PC means you get paid. Losing means you get jack, so winning IN PC is the only metric that matters. In other game modes you have to balance ISK expended vs. ISK destroyed. I myself feel litle reason to deploy the good gear unless there's prototype tanks in play. But what about the scout player who hacks all the points out from under the enemy? He kills one and dies 5 times but his minja fit rips the point from the bads no less than eight times in a skirm. Was his contribution valuable? What's worth more, a sniper in the redline whi kills 5 people and lives to the end, or the sniper who advances to captured areas and continues a rolling assassination spree of 11 enemies kolled on objectives, ebeven though he gets kiled 8 times? You cannot really put a simple number metric on a players value to his team. It fails to accurately depict what he does. That 17/1 snsentinel, for instance. There's a wide gulf of differwnce between his raw killing power and the sentinel who goes 20/17 because the first one had a rep tool wielding enabler protecting him. Rhe second was a berserker in a calsent that aggressed constantly. Can a simple number ratio describe value? Or rather like the rest of DUST, is there far more going on that a pack of hyperactive nerds running around killing each other? There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1009	Posted - 2015.05.11 08:05:00 - [72] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Actually on the CoD drek comment thus brings up a very valid point that most people miss entirely. In most shooters KDR is the only metric really that matters. Why? Because there's no real large-scale metagame. At most a shooter has four "classes" and a limited number of weapon unlocks. Once you get the achievements for all of the unlocks, you have bypassed all other concerns and gun game becomes the only factor, dominance over all comers is the game at rhat point, win or lose. In DUST kills vs. Deaths are only one factor. Winning in PC means you get paid. Losing means you get jack, so winning IN PC is the only metric that matters. In other game modes you have to balance ISK expended vs. ISK destroyed. I myself feel litle reason to deploy the good gear unless there's prototype tanks in play. But what about the scout player who hacks all the points out from under the enemy? He kills one and dies 5 times but his minja fit rips the point from the bads no less than eight times in a skirm. Was his contribution valuable? What's worth more, a sniper in the redline whi kills 5 people and lives to the end, or the sniper who advances to captured areas and continues a rolling assassination spree of 11 enemies kolled on objectives, ebeven though he gets kiled 8 times? You cannot really put a simple number metric on a players value to his team. It fails to accurately depict what he does. That 17/1 snsentinel, for instance. There's a wide gulf of differwnce between his raw killing power and the sentinel who goes 20/17 because the first one had a rep tool wielding enabler protecting him. Rhe second was a berserker in a calsent that aggressed constantly. Can a simple number ratio describe value? Or rather like the rest of DUST, is there far more going on that a pack of hyperactive nerds running around killing each other? That's deep Stuff, lol, well said man. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Haerr The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2886	Posted - 2015.05.11 08:07:00 - [73] - Quote Not that it matters but it would be fun to see more detailed player statistics: Split kdr (and/or kps if you will) into per suit_type / suit_tier / weapon_type / weapon_tier / against suit_type / against suit_tier, and it might just end up a little bit more useful. But neither kills per spawn nor war points per spawn will show just how handy it is to have a GalLogi on your team. Then again neither would per player ISK efficiency. GÖû HAERR'S GÖû
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1499	Posted - 2015.05.11 08:19:00 - [74] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people Stop shooting, go read a book before its too late. Munt. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 987	Posted - 2015.05.11 08:27:00 - [75] - Quote K/D does indeed matter cause if you spend more time on the respawn screen then actually shoting people then you should stop whatever you are doing cause you only feed the enemy team kills. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1204	Posted - 2015.05.11 09:34:00 - [76] - Quote I think it would be a step up if KD was removed completely from the game.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 2852	Posted - 2015.05.11 09:44:00 - [77] - Quote I care as in, id rather break even or go positive every match, but i dont. So instead of getting frustrated i want to improve. I mean i still get frustrated but not for as long, i still remember that this is a game, for entertainment, more competitive entertainment but still entertainment so its best to have fun. I dont want to be cautious player that only plays for that and thats it. I want to have fun, i also want to win while having fun. If its time for PC, i know its time to get serious, but outside of that have fun. No fun allowed rule seems very popular in some parts of Dust. I do believe in that. Plus being a pirate is fun as in itself. xD Minmatar-Daredevil, blind but smart & resourceful, no qualms about smashing faces Kawaii PROTO gear user Bring it
elric the enchanter xCosmic Voidx 426	Posted - 2015.05.11 10:40:00 - [78] - Quote My gun-game sucks - that's why I stuck with this game, as the Logi role is the most satisfying fun I've ever had in any FPS. Then looked at my k/d just before I went 'part-time' and it was the highest I'd ever achieved in any game (squad-leading + warbarges helped a lot!) Shrugged, stuck the plasma cannon on a logi suit, then carried on having fun... Cosmic Void Minister of Silly Weapons Heinz Guderian predicted Tank514
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 781	Posted - 2015.05.11 12:31:00 - [79] - Quote Green Living wrote: I play FPS solely for the K/D ratio stat. I enjoy killing while not being killed. It's just how I get my kicks. Get some logi friends and literally anyone can get their K/D up, so good job! There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3833	Posted - 2015.05.11 12:55:00 - [80] - Quote se7ensaints wrote: Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people i went from 0.35 to 0.99 in two days. i had made stupid decisions with SP previously and then i got a respec :) now i just slay people down before i was averaging a KD of 8/12 now i do 45/1 in most matches. You go 45/1 in most matches? Forgive my skepticism. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Day 24/30 exclusively Minja

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10003	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:11:00 - [81] - Quote It's not fun to have a high KDR or anything to be proud of; it is just a number that my human-monkey brain likes to see go up. If anything, I set KDR as a goal for myself to ensure I am not a drain on my team. If I am pulling down a 1.2 - 1.5 KDR then I know I am murdering more clones than getting myself ghosted. I don't care all that much about everyone else's KDR, to be frank. There are half a dozen ways to inflate your KDR in this game waaaaay beyond your actual skill level. I would consider KDR a more useful indicator of player skill if we could sift through KDR data. I would like Solo KDR and Squad KDR. Maybe [Insert Weapon Here] KDR and [Insert Dropsuit Here] KDR. If you are pulling down a 10.0 KDR with a Thale's sniper rifle I don't give a ****. Now... if you are maintaining a Solo KDR of 10.0 with a militia scrambler pistol... well I tip my hat to you, sir/ma'am. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 865	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:27:00 - [82] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: .....If you die taking out a tank with a full crew, good for you. Or you might just prefer killing tanks (which means I hate you) but you might die multiple times getting that one tough sucker.... That's me :D I kill tanks! Saturday I killed 10 of them...4 advanced tanks, 2 proto tanks, 3 militia tanks 1 real awesome looking red kaalakiota tactical tank something or other. Sunday I killed 4 of them! All advanced. This morning I killed ONE proto tank and got my ass kicked over and over and over trying to kill another one lol no luck on that one, BUT I GOT ONE! That's a way to start my day! :D (can I get a public tank kill stat? That's what I care about ) Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. RUST415 3764	Posted - 2015.05.11 15:16:00 - [83] - Quote When evaluating players, I use the following formula: KDR + (2 * WLR) I prefer people whose aggregate statistic as measured above is greater than 6. But really, the best way to evaluate another player is by playing with them or going up against them.
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 207	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:23:00 - [84] - Quote go cal logi, they don't even know what a kdr is The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Eros Adonai Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 295	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:34:00 - [85] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: se7ensaints wrote: Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people i went from 0.35 to 0.99 in two days. i had made stupid decisions with SP previously and then i got a respec :) now i just slay people down before i was averaging a KD of 8/12 now i do 45/1 in most matches. You go 45/1 in most matches? Forgive my skepticism. Ikr..if ur gonna bs people, at least make it convincing lol Director - Corrosive Synergy
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3489	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:09:00 - [86] - Quote Well I am quite partial to dying in game it would seem, if that's what you mean? Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 332	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:25:00 - [87] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: When evaluating players, I use the following formula: KDR + (2 * WLR) I prefer people whose aggregate statistic as measured above is greater than 6. But really, the best way to evaluate another player is by playing with them or going up against them. I think mine, according to the above, is like a 9 or so o.0 my alt, though... 15 or higher XD KD means 2 things to me, having done a lot of PC (FC'ed a lot of them too) in different "wars", tried various game modes, etc: 1) the person is good at what they do... whether it be a sniper, or whatever... 2) the person is risk averse Take, for example, myself... I gave up video games a year before my father died and only started playing them again a year after his passing. I went from having a KD of 5ish in CoD to 0.xx in Dust after that 2 year break; hell, I didn't break even in dust until 10k kills and deaths... but since then, I have had 28000 more kills and only 3500 deaths. However, I am a high risk high reward player who is super aggressive... anyone who has played with me a lot knows I like being on the front line or in the enemy's area... I play smart and attack from sides or from cover and do my thing. Heimdallr69 plays a lot like me... he goes to the same spots I do, and we think about the battlefield the same and generally do everything in a match the same... except he is more risk averse and fights more from a distance, which is where he is effective. in the same vein, AriRana is very similar to me, too, in far as how we play, but has more skill, and therefore gets a higher KD in the same battle. Of the 3 of us, we each play for the team, we each hack points and take objectives... we do everything we can do to win, but we just seem to win more gunfights, but we have wildly different KDS because of risk aversion or skill level. Personally, I do the following checks: 1) if a Logi, 1 or higher KD is good, but show me you're a logI and you will be fine by me 2) if an assault, 2 or higher KD is good, but I want to know how you play more than anything 3) if a sniper... you better have a high KD or it just tells me you snipe only when you lose at gun game to better foot soldiers ** posted via my phone, so I am sorry for any grammatical, spelling, or autocorrect errors. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3044	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:37:00 - [88] - Quote Okay, here it goes AGAIN. If you kill me say, 15 times in a match, and i kill you 5. I'm wearing BPOs, your in full proto. Who made more money? You go negative ISK, and I go positive. Over a series of matches with the same results (you're 15/5 to me and I'm 5/15 to you) you will eventually be unable to play because you're out of money, while I have made nothing but profit because it costs nothing to run my suits. ISK efficiency is the true metric for determining skill in this game. Kdr only matters in games where everyone is on relatively equal footing and there are no other metrics to determine aptitude, see COD. Because of the great disparity between BPO and proto suits in terms of raw power (APEX have slightly closed that gap) kdr is almost a worthless metric because a proto sentineversus a bunch of starter suits takes no skill on the sentinel's part because he is so much stronger than the militia crap he's killing. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1503	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:39:00 - [89] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Okay, here it goes AGAIN. If you kill me say, 15 times in a match, and i kill you 5. I'm wearing BPOs, your in full proto. Who made more money? You go negative ISK, and I go positive. Over a series of matches with the same results (you're 15/5 to me and I'm 5/15 to you) you will eventually be unable to play because you're out of money, while I have made nothing but profit because it costs nothing to run my suits. ISK efficiency is the true metric for determining skill in this game. Kdr only matters in games where everyone is on relatively equal footing and there are no other metrics to determine aptitude, see COD. Because of the great disparity between BPO and proto suits in terms of raw power (APEX have slightly closed that gap) kdr is almost a worthless metric because a proto sentineversus a bunch of starter suits takes no skill on the sentinel's part because he is so much stronger than the militia crap he's killing. Isk efficiency? That's poor people talk lol (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10012	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:57:00 - [90] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: ISK efficiency is the true metric for determining skill in this game Incorrect. Though I do agree that ISK efficiency is important, it does not indicate player skill at all. Case in point, redline sniping is a very low risk, high reward playstyle. You earn 2 - 5 kills per match (sometimes more), maybe an assist or two, but you do not die. You have amazing ISK efficency. Does this indicate you are a good player? No. Do you support your team? No. Also, playstyles like the redline sniper typically have high KDRs. Again, this metric doesn't indicate player skill. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 332	Posted - 2015.05.11 19:06:00 - [91] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Okay, here it goes AGAIN. If you kill me say, 15 times in a match, and i kill you 5. I'm wearing BPOs, your in full proto. Who made more money? You go negative ISK, and I go positive. Over a series of matches with the same results (you're 15/5 to me and I'm 5/15 to you) you will eventually be unable to play because you're out of money, while I have made nothing but profit because it costs nothing to run my suits. ISK efficiency is the true metric for determining skill in this game. Kdr only matters in games where everyone is on relatively equal footing and there are no other metrics to determine aptitude, see COD. Because of the great disparity between BPO and proto suits in terms of raw power (APEX have slightly closed that gap) kdr is almost a worthless metric because a proto sentineversus a bunch of starter suits takes no skill on the sentinel's part because he is so much stronger than the militia crap he's killing. Isk efficiency? That's poor people talk lol Yea, my piggy bank don't care about no isk efficiency. If I need isk I am sitting on 5 balac smgs, and a good deal of other officer weapons As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8638	Posted - 2015.05.11 19:11:00 - [92] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Okay, here it goes AGAIN. If you kill me say, 15 times in a match, and i kill you 5. I'm wearing BPOs, your in full proto. Who made more money? You go negative ISK, and I go positive. Over a series of matches with the same results (you're 15/5 to me and I'm 5/15 to you) you will eventually be unable to play because you're out of money, while I have made nothing but profit because it costs nothing to run my suits. ISK efficiency is the true metric for determining skill in this game. Kdr only matters in games where everyone is on relatively equal footing and there are no other metrics to determine aptitude, see COD. Because of the great disparity between BPO and proto suits in terms of raw power (APEX have slightly closed that gap) kdr is almost a worthless metric because a proto sentineversus a bunch of starter suits takes no skill on the sentinel's part because he is so much stronger than the militia crap he's killing. Isk efficiency? That's poor people talk lol Yea, my piggy bank don't care about no isk efficiency. If I need isk I am sitting on 5 balac smgs, and a good deal of other officer weapons I have over 50 cala SMGs I didn't figure anyone would want them. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6510	Posted - 2015.05.11 19:22:00 - [93] - Quote KDR is only important if you have the context to interpret it. For instance a KDR of 2 is... Fantastic for a Logi. Quite Good for an Assault. Not so good for a Sniper. Terrible for a Tanker. Someone with a KDR of 0.8 might be a really good Logi, or a not very good Sentinel. Someone with a KDR of 5 might be a very good Assault, or a Redline Sniper. KDR is a good way to measure your own progress because you have the context to interpret it properly, but I would not advise using KDR to judge someone else unless you know their play styles in great detail. As for winning matches, KDR is only really relevant in Ambush, or if a team gets cloned in other game modes, and even then, revives are not recorded, so a Logi with 0.5 KDR may still have saved enough clones to have a positive contribution. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 332	Posted - 2015.05.11 19:58:00 - [94] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I didn't figure anyone would want them. I know someone who will buy them all on the spot As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
elric the enchanter xCosmic Voidx 428	Posted - 2015.05.12 07:05:00 - [95] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Okay, here it goes AGAIN. If you kill me say, 15 times in a match, and i kill you 5. I'm wearing BPOs, your in full proto. Who made more money? You go negative ISK, and I go positive. Over a series of matches with the same results (you're 15/5 to me and I'm 5/15 to you) you will eventually be unable to play because you're out of money, while I have made nothing but profit because it costs nothing to run my suits. ISK efficiency is the true metric for determining skill in this game. Kdr only matters in games where everyone is on relatively equal footing and there are no other metrics to determine aptitude, see COD. Because of the great disparity between BPO and proto suits in terms of raw power (APEX have slightly closed that gap) kdr is almost a worthless metric because a proto sentineversus a bunch of starter suits takes no skill on the sentinel's part because he is so much stronger than the militia crap he's killing. Isk efficiency? That's poor people talk lol Yea, my piggy bank don't care about no isk efficiency. If I need isk I am sitting on 5 balac smgs, and a good deal of other officer weapons I have over 50 cala SMGs I didn't figure anyone would want them. I like 'em I've still got maybe 30+ but when I run out I may give you a call Cosmic Void Minister of Silly Weapons Heinz Guderian predicted Tank514
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1397	Posted - 2015.05.12 07:44:00 - [96] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: In my recent months playing I've noticed that a large majority don't care about there KD at all but why? I can understand logis, there relying on someone else as they are weak (meaning less hp as assault and heavys). This game is mainly about performance getting your sp up as fast as you can, to acquire better items (which is great) but however not many care about kd and I like to know why . I get that most people including myself weren't great when we first started this game but surly you've improved over time playing I enjoy it when my KD goes up, its shows that I'm slowing improving . Went from 1.89 to 2.08 in maybe a month =ƒÿÅ Please leave Postive feedback why you think it doesn't matter to most people Let me put it this way. I have a lot of ISK due to trading and playing the game itself. So losing 8+ suits a match doesn't really bother me. I would rather sacrifice my suit, my isk, and my kdr for victory and reap the rewards (and tears). Today's special: PAIN Comes with a side of salads and mash potatoes.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8652	Posted - 2015.05.12 09:05:00 - [97] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: I would rather sacrifice my suit, my isk, and my kdr for victory and reap the rewards (and tears). This guy gets it. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1398	Posted - 2015.05.12 09:07:00 - [98] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: I would rather sacrifice my suit, my isk, and my kdr for victory and reap the rewards (and tears). This guy gets it. Have to fill my bathtub somehow. Today's special: PAIN Comes with a side of salads and mash potatoes.
clown babee All Up In Your Butt 6	Posted - 2015.05.12 23:57:00 - [99] - Quote Albyat Tyre wrote: I worked my kdr up to 1.34 but I wasn't having fun. So then, I said f*** it . Spent one entire dom match in free suit suicide leap from mcc. Had a blast. Died 32 times before match was over. Kdr down to 1.18 and I'm having fun again. Didn't care who i pissed off but it was fun watching the mass exedus from the match. My wife says I'm an a $$hole. What do you think. Do I care . NOT. Were you still trying to win?
clown babee All Up In Your Butt 6	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:15:00 - [100] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: So theres mixed reasons according to you guys .No benefits . Not having fun (apparently) . Diffident roles (logi) Yet for some reason you all love it when your on the top of the leader board because of WP. Its more challenging to get kills than WP . Personally more satisfying when I kill a proto assault instead of 2 team spawns . But however you have enlightened me to why alit of you don't care and I thank you for that Wow this really made me think for a minute.... You're right. I love being on the top of the board for wp. i don't even think about my kills. Now when i am spending all my time repping and reviving that might make some sense. But I don't always focus on logi. I wonder if psychologically i'm just excusing myself because I'm not very good at killing. Because I have had rare matches with a lot of kills and those are a lot of fun too. A lot for me anyway. I think my record is 16 kills. But I also think of this. I'm still fairly new. When I hit my record recently of 3300 wp from logi i was rewarded with a s*ton of sp which i need. When I get 16 kills and hopefully a few hacks or whatever i get significantly less sp. i think the metric should be how are you helping the team and I think both of those help. Is repping more important than kills? maybe sometimes. Can I steal warpoints by hacking outside installations while the real battle is in the middle of the map? yes i can. so wp doesn't necessarily define help to the team.... I don't know the answer and I"m sorry for the rambling post but personally i look for wp more than kills. that's my short answer. i think longterm we need to look at rewards for behaviour



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