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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10615	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:35:00 - [1] - Quote Alright, Small Blasters, while better are still just not cutting it as a mostly dedicated Small Turret. As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. For Dropships it's still pretty obvious that Small Missiles are the way to go, Small blasters don't have enough accuracy for the range combined with the time it takes to get accurate to be viable but that's just the way it is but I'll get back to that later. The way I see it is that there are three ways we could fix this issue. Option 1: Have the Startup Spread & Reticle a smaller than what we have no to where you can at least hit a guy from 20 meters away then it gets accurate from there. Option 2: Have an inverse firing mechanic which basically starts it off extremely accurate to less accurate.... Option 3: General Damage buff. This will allow those few initial stray shots to give the enemy the idea that he needs to back off before the pain train comes to town in a death stream. Now onto LAVs. Like Blasters, LAVs are in a much better place but they still just aren't there yet. The fitting increase as well as slot layout was much needed but it's still lacking. When Rattati first initially nerfed the LAVs HP I thought that surely he would give us the slot layout we had before when LAVs were balanced but alas...here we are. LAVs gained 1 primary tank slot but not the their secondary slot which allowed the LAV to be a versatile support platform or in shields case, a boost to shields and shield resist (using the Power Diagnostic unit module and damage control unit) The way I see it there are three ways to fix LAVs. Option 1: Give the Saga it's second low slot back and the Methana it's second high slot back. Option 2: Have tiered LAVs similar to how we have dropsuits that progress in fitting and slots. Example: STD Methana - 1H 3L. ADV Methana - 1H - 4L. PRO - 2H - 4L Option 3: Have it tierd like tanks and give each races LAV it's own slot layout and only increase the fitting space between higher and lower levels. Saga LAV: 5H - 1L and Methana LAV 3H - 4L Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10615	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:35:00 - [2] - Quote [Reserved] Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18845	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: On the Topic of Small Turrets what would you guys think of a Small and Large Plasma Cannon Turret? Similar to how Caldari have their Rails (Primarily AV) and Missiles (Both but great on infantry) I'd like to see it if Gallente Turrets get a similar line up. Small Blasters absolutely suck in a dropship, especially an Incubus. Even if you end up fixing small blasters to where they used to be you simply won't be able to compete with the Advantages of the small Missile Launcher. So here we have the Plasma Cannon turret. It will have the same general characteristics as the infantry version, long reload, charge time and parabolic trajectory. The Small Variant will have about the same radius as the basic plasma cannon but with reduced splash damage as well as slightly less direct damage. Think of it as a mix between a Vehicle Mounted Rocket Launcher and Vehicle Mounted Grenade Launcher. The Large Variant is basically what the small turret is but multiple loads. Similar to what the large Missile Launcher is to the small missile launcher. Wanted that Plasma Cannon Turret for a long time now. I have a set of stats for the Plasma Cannon variation of the Ion Cannon which I can post here if you want. I also have stats for a tri-barrel Charged Electron Cannon, based off of old concept art. "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10617	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:08:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: On the Topic of Small Turrets what would you guys think of a Small and Large Plasma Cannon Turret? Similar to how Caldari have their Rails (Primarily AV) and Missiles (Both but great on infantry) I'd like to see it if Gallente Turrets get a similar line up. Small Blasters absolutely suck in a dropship, especially an Incubus. Even if you end up fixing small blasters to where they used to be you simply won't be able to compete with the Advantages of the small Missile Launcher. So here we have the Plasma Cannon turret. It will have the same general characteristics as the infantry version, long reload, charge time and parabolic trajectory. The Small Variant will have about the same radius as the basic plasma cannon but with reduced splash damage as well as slightly less direct damage. Think of it as a mix between a Vehicle Mounted Rocket Launcher and Vehicle Mounted Grenade Launcher. The Large Variant is basically what the small turret is but multiple loads. Similar to what the large Missile Launcher is to the small missile launcher. Wanted that Plasma Cannon Turret for a long time now. I have a set of stats for the Plasma Cannon variation of the Ion Cannon which I can post here if you want. I also have stats for a tri-barrel Charged Electron Cannon, based off of old concept art. Please do. I was hoping you'd comment. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Dead Cavino RestlessSpirits 62	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:22:00 - [5] - Quote Small Blaster Turret + Heat Sink = Death Machine I don't like two-legged things.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18846	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:38:00 - [6] - Quote Dead Cavino wrote: Small Blaster Turret + Heat Sink = Death Machine That does not explain anything nor serve to prove that they are not currently the least efficient turret to use at present time against infantry. "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
Jackie Chang Lee Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:45:00 - [7] - Quote Since the Alpha and Beta the Vehicles have just been gradually nerfed and this game turned into COD with "Tanks", and by tanks I mean jeeps with a cannon. I remember the Days when I could use a nano passive sagaris to rack up kills, until half the enemy team got butthurt and whipped out proto forge guns and ganged up on me.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2152	Posted - 2015.05.08 00:13:00 - [8] - Quote The old blaster turrets were a monster. I still don't understand what they were trying to fix. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10618	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:26:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dead Cavino wrote: Small Blaster Turret + Heat Sink = Death Machine That does not explain anything nor serve to prove that they are not currently the least efficient turret to use at present time against infantry. It is also a pretty poor comment to say anything on fixing. Small Rails nor Small Missiles need a module to make them at least somewhat effective. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3170	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:36:00 - [10] - Quote 1: I'd much rather just get our old slot layouts back than going for more tiered ****. 2: I don't like the idea of a purely AV small turret, because then people will expect to take on larger vehicles than their own and be able to easily kill it, as if they fitted a large turret onto their vehicle, which I think to be broken. Top lel


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22102	Posted - 2015.05.08 05:40:00 - [11] - Quote I was playing around with a saga, and was capped fairly hard by pg. Not a viable fit but I just wanted to try all the new items together regulator small blaster heat sink dispalizer extender and ended up having to trade the low for an armor slot. What are your normal fittings capped by? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22102	Posted - 2015.05.08 05:41:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Alright, Small Blasters, while better are still just not cutting it as a mostly dedicated Small Turret. As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. For Dropships it's still pretty obvious that Small Missiles are the way to go, Small blasters don't have enough accuracy for the range combined with the time it takes to get accurate to be viable but that's just the way it is but I'll get back to that later. The way I see it is that there are three ways we could fix this issue. Option 1: Have the Startup Spread & Reticle a smaller than what we have no to where you can at least hit a guy from 20 meters away then it gets accurate from there. Option 2: Have an inverse firing mechanic which basically starts it off extremely accurate to less accurate.... Option 3: General Damage buff. This will allow those few initial stray shots to give the enemy the idea that he needs to back off before the pain train comes to town in a death stream. Now onto LAVs. Like Blasters, LAVs are in a much better place but they still just aren't there yet. The fitting increase as well as slot layout was much needed but it's still lacking. When Rattati first initially nerfed the LAVs HP I thought that surely he would give us the slot layout we had before when LAVs were balanced but alas...here we are. LAVs gained 1 primary tank slot but not the their secondary slot which allowed the LAV to be a versatile support platform or in shields case, a boost to shields and shield resist (using the Power Diagnostic unit module and damage control unit) The way I see it there are three ways to fix LAVs. Option 1: Give the Saga it's second low slot back and the Methana it's second high slot back. Option 2: Have tiered LAVs similar to how we have dropsuits that progress in fitting and slots. Example: STD Methana - 1H 3L. ADV Methana - 1H - 4L. PRO - 2H - 4L Option 3: Have it tierd like tanks and give each races LAV it's own slot layout and only increase the fitting space between higher and lower levels. Saga LAV: 5H - 1L and Methana LAV 3H - 4L Any progression would be like HAVs. I consider Dropships to be a higher priority after this last patch. Excellent feedback, and I am hearing good things from players contacting me. Small blasters seem to be at least semi viable ona dropship, but I think they will shine on an HAV. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1062	Posted - 2015.05.08 05:52:00 - [13] - Quote OP, my thoughts exactly. I ended up road killing more players yesterday than killing them with the small blaster on the nose of the ADS. Finnaly had to switch out to missiles. I like options 1 & 2. I would like to see how it works before buffing damage. I envision a relativley small reticule, about 1.5 m in diameter, (based on missile splash radius) but everything inside that reticule is hosed with bullets. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1089	Posted - 2015.05.08 06:47:00 - [14] - Quote Just finished testing small blaster in my incubus, they are GLORIOUS. Love the inverse dispersion so far. My gunner went on a massive killing streak and managed to melt several forge gunners in about 2 seconds each. The only remaining issue is you have to be perfectly still with the ship to account for the weird small turret latency that makes the shots go completely off target if you are moving a bit. Know what cannot be known.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1516	Posted - 2015.05.08 09:52:00 - [15] - Quote Honestly, just up the splash radius to 1.25m or something. Would hardly affect HAVs/LAVs and would vastly improve DS damage application due to angle. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1064	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:19:00 - [16] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Just finished testing small blaster in my incubus, they are GLORIOUS. Love the inverse dispersion so far. My gunner went on a massive killing streak and managed to melt several forge gunners in about 2 seconds each. The only remaining issue is you have to be perfectly still with the ship to account for the weird small turret latency that makes the shots go completely off target if you are moving a bit. In order to combat that effect, I suggest reworking the Blast Turret into a Plasma Shotgun, that fires many pellets at once, and have a small splash. The pellets would HAVE To be real projectiles, like the missile launcher, so that the gunner can see where they really are once they are instantiated by the server. Any hit-scan weapon used by a gunner will have this latency issue that causes them to get VERY misleading feedback from their game client. They are currently in a good place, in my opinion, until a rework is possible. The DPS is so insanely high that you only need to graze infantry to obliterate them. However not being able to move while doing so is very painful. did you run proto blasters? my ADV blasters took forever. Also, i can see how they work well for gunners, but are'nt dependable as a nose turret. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6310	Posted - 2015.05.08 14:16:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Alright, Small Blasters, while better are still just not cutting it as a mostly dedicated Small Turret. As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. For Dropships it's still pretty obvious that Small Missiles are the way to go, Small blasters don't have enough accuracy for the range combined with the time it takes to get accurate to be viable but that's just the way it is but I'll get back to that later. The way I see it is that there are three ways we could fix this issue. Option 1: Have the Startup Spread & Reticle a smaller than what we have no to where you can at least hit a guy from 20 meters away then it gets accurate from there. Option 2: Have an inverse firing mechanic which basically starts it off extremely accurate to less accurate.... Option 3: General Damage buff. This will allow those few initial stray shots to give the enemy the idea that he needs to back off before the pain train comes to town in a death stream. Now onto LAVs. Like Blasters, LAVs are in a much better place but they still just aren't there yet. The fitting increase as well as slot layout was much needed but it's still lacking. When Rattati first initially nerfed the LAVs HP I thought that surely he would give us the slot layout we had before when LAVs were balanced but alas...here we are. LAVs gained 1 primary tank slot but not the their secondary slot which allowed the LAV to be a versatile support platform or in shields case, a boost to shields and shield resist (using the Power Diagnostic unit module and damage control unit) The way I see it there are three ways to fix LAVs. Option 1: Give the Saga it's second low slot back and the Methana it's second high slot back. Option 2: Have tiered LAVs similar to how we have dropsuits that progress in fitting and slots. Example: STD Methana - 1H 3L. ADV Methana - 1H - 4L. PRO - 2H - 4L Option 3: Have it tierd like tanks and give each races LAV it's own slot layout and only increase the fitting space between higher and lower levels. Saga LAV: 5H - 1L and Methana LAV 3H - 4L Any progression would be like HAVs. I consider Dropships to be a higher priority after this last patch. Excellent feedback, and I am hearing good things from players contacting me. Small blasters seem to be at least semi viable ona dropship, but I think they will shine on an HAV. Part of the issue is that we can't pitch the camera in the First-Person view. With Missiles you can compensate for this with splash damage, and with Small Railguns you're trying to hit vehicles, not infantry. However with the Small Blaster, I think you'd really need to be able to aim it up and down in first person to make it viable even if the spread system can be fixed. Is there any way we could get pitch on the first person view? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10623	Posted - 2015.05.08 14:47:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was playing around with a saga, and was capped fairly hard by pg. Not a viable fit but I just wanted to try all the new items together regulator small blaster heat sink dispalizer extender and ended up having to trade the low for an armor slot. What are your normal fittings capped by? Surprisingly PG as well. But I am an armor methana and since the AV weapons in this game are heavily biased against armor I need more protection as I'm naturally weak to everything. I've tried various fittings but they all result in the same thing. LAV is just a tad weak and the small blaster isn't up to par, but when it hits, it hits you just don't have enough time for it to start hitting. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 971	Posted - 2015.05.08 15:06:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was playing around with a saga, and was capped fairly hard by pg. Not a viable fit but I just wanted to try all the new items together regulator small blaster heat sink dispalizer extender and ended up having to trade the low for an armor slot. What are your normal fittings capped by? That module has a massive flaw when used with small blasters. It prevents the inversed dispersion on small blasters when activated. So basically you cripple the perfromance of the small blaster when using it. I dont think that this is working as intended except your goal was not beeing aible to hit the broad side of a barn. However the heatsink is a much better choice cause you can fire much longer and keep the reticle small by doing so. My fit is this: -enhanced 120mm plate -complex small repper -complex PG upgrade -complex heatsink 20GJ ION CANNON Basically ive did the same thing to the methana as most pilots do it with a incubus. Large plate, small repper, PG upgrade and something usefull in the highslot. It got over 2600HP on armor alone and if i exchange the heatsink for a scanner and the Ion cannon for a neutron i can go for a complex 120mm plate which gives me over 3000HP on armor which means with shields i can take 2 swarm volleys and run away burning. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 971	Posted - 2015.05.08 15:16:00 - [20] - Quote Saga II fit: -Reactive deflector field I (pre fit hardener with 0PG and 0CPU cost) -Enhanced Heavy shield extender -Complex light Shield extender -complex PG upgrade 20GJ ION CANNON Shield vehicles should more focus on buffer tank then damage output. They just dont have the same utility like armor vehicles have with their highslots. The fit has 2087HP on shields and the inbuild hardener offers 60% resistance if needed (very good vs pesky swarms). The shield vehicles focus more on high mobility then firepower these days and with swarms beeing so poular you have to go for raw HP cause if you dont you will die ALOT. PS: you need LAV operation at 3 to unlock the Saga II. Since its a caldari vehicle it should rather be fitted with small missiles but they are not reliable with their tiny blast radius. maybe give the LAV skillbook a bonus? Like +10% blast radius for small missiles on caldari LAV's and -10% heat build up for small blasters? Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 594	Posted - 2015.05.08 15:34:00 - [21] - Quote I personally feel blaster turrets should get sharpshooter skills. It could make small blasters really effective with good teamwork. Though, large blaster dispersion should be increased if the get a sharpshooter skill. We want cake and tea.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10623	Posted - 2015.05.08 16:17:00 - [22] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: maybe give the LAV skillbook a bonus? Like +10% blast radius for small missiles on caldari LAV's and -10% heat build up for small blasters on galente LAV's? I agree 100% with this. LAV operation needs a bonus if we were to make them better and those bonuses would put them in a much better place. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Satori Particle Ordine Inritus 48	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:35:00 - [23] - Quote Incubus 20GJ Ion Cannon Complex Afterburner Complex Armor Hardener Complex 60mm Armor Plates Complex Light Armor Repairer I've been flying around with this fit and feel that it's very close to being balanced. Either... A. Increase Small Blaster Damage output by 10% B. Provide another High slot and increased system resources so one could run an Afterburner and a Damage Amplifier. C. Significantly increase the rate in which accuracy is gained while maintaining a stream of fire. D. Splash Damage
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1094	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:58:00 - [24] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Just finished testing small blaster in my incubus, they are GLORIOUS. Love the inverse dispersion so far. My gunner went on a massive killing streak and managed to melt several forge gunners in about 2 seconds each. The only remaining issue is you have to be perfectly still with the ship to account for the weird small turret latency that makes the shots go completely off target if you are moving a bit. In order to combat that effect, I suggest reworking the Blast Turret into a Plasma Shotgun, that fires many pellets at once, and have a small splash. The pellets would HAVE To be real projectiles, like the missile launcher, so that the gunner can see where they really are once they are instantiated by the server. Any hit-scan weapon used by a gunner will have this latency issue that causes them to get VERY misleading feedback from their game client. They are currently in a good place, in my opinion, until a rework is possible. The DPS is so insanely high that you only need to graze infantry to obliterate them. However not being able to move while doing so is very painful. did you run proto blasters? my ADV blasters took forever. Also, i can see how they work well for gunners, but are'nt dependable as a nose turret. Yes sir, my gunner was using a proto blaster. It does seem to be one of those weapons that needs to be proto to work, simply because of the aiming/firing latency between dropship gunner and pilot. Also without being able to move the reticule independently from the ship in first person, I agree that it is impossible to use for the pilot themselves. For a gunner on an incubus though, it is just a step under the efficiency of the missile launcher, but still very viable, finally. Again I would suggest changing them into a type of flak cannon / shotgun for plasma, that fires many pellets in one shot, with a good spread and some light splash damage. For anti-infantry, ease of damage application trumps DPS, which is opposite for vehicular combat. Know what cannot be known.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1052	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:08:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. So basically, we should just go back to 2 or 3 patches back ( I forget) when small blasters were great and didn't require you to fire for 2 seconds before all your bullets went where you were firing them... I'll be honest, this latest small blaster revision has made it usable again. If you don a tanky ********** of a suit, you wont get popped as quickly as you pop the other guy... If you sit in the middle of several people, then you're pretty much asking to get shot. CCP Rattati wrote:** I was playing around with a saga, and was capped fairly hard by pg. Not a viable fit but I just wanted to try all the new items together regulator small blaster heat sink dispalizer extender and ended up having to trade the low for an armor slot. What are your normal fittings capped by? PG... But as someone who was happy with the LAV's before this buff, It's still PG, but much easier to play around with the fit. For me, SAGA-II: shield hardener (thingy); Enhanced heavy shield extender; complex light shield booster \|or\| damage mod; Protato PG mod; protato blaster \|or\| rail turret. There's a lot of empty CPU, but there's always a PG bottleneck (haven't found a nice fit using complex shield extender...Yet.) I don't personally see a problem with the LAV's anymore.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 9967	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:46:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Alright, Small Blasters, while better are still just not cutting it as a mostly dedicated Small Turret. As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. For Dropships it's still pretty obvious that Small Missiles are the way to go, Small blasters don't have enough accuracy for the range combined with the time it takes to get accurate to be viable but that's just the way it is but I'll get back to that later. The way I see it is that there are three ways we could fix this issue. Option 1: Have the Startup Spread & Reticle a smaller than what we have no to where you can at least hit a guy from 20 meters away then it gets accurate from there. Option 2: Have an inverse firing mechanic which basically starts it off extremely accurate to less accurate.... Option 3: General Damage buff. This will allow those few initial stray shots to give the enemy the idea that he needs to back off before the pain train comes to town in a death stream. Now onto LAVs. Like Blasters, LAVs are in a much better place but they still just aren't there yet. The fitting increase as well as slot layout was much needed but it's still lacking. When Rattati first initially nerfed the LAVs HP I thought that surely he would give us the slot layout we had before when LAVs were balanced but alas...here we are. LAVs gained 1 primary tank slot but not the their secondary slot which allowed the LAV to be a versatile support platform or in shields case, a boost to shields and shield resist (using the Power Diagnostic unit module and damage control unit) The way I see it there are three ways to fix LAVs. Option 1: Give the Saga it's second low slot back and the Methana it's second high slot back. Option 2: Have tiered LAVs similar to how we have dropsuits that progress in fitting and slots. Example: STD Methana - 1H 3L. ADV Methana - 1H - 4L. PRO - 2H - 4L Option 3: Have it tierd like tanks and give each races LAV it's own slot layout and only increase the fitting space between higher and lower levels. Saga LAV: 5H - 1L and Methana LAV 3H - 4L Any progression would be like HAVs. I consider Dropships to be a higher priority after this last patch. Excellent feedback, and I am hearing good things from players contacting me. Small blasters seem to be at least semi viable ona dropship, but I think they will shine on an HAV. Everything shines on an HAV. You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9527	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:01:00 - [27] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: In order to combat that effect, I suggest reworking the Blast Turret into a Plasma Shotgun, that fires many pellets at once, and have a small splash. The pellets would HAVE To be real projectiles, like the missile launcher, so that the gunner can see where they really are once they are instantiated by the server. Any hit-scan weapon used by a gunner will have this latency issue that causes them to get VERY misleading feedback from their game client. o/ Kaeru. Like this? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8468	Posted - 2015.05.09 07:58:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was playing around with a saga, and was capped fairly hard by pg. Not a viable fit but I just wanted to try all the new items together regulator small blaster heat sink dispalizer extender and ended up having to trade the low for an armor slot. What are your normal fittings capped by? My methana uses a pg mod, heavy plate and light rep (all militia) I need to go poke the saga and see what can be shoehorned in. I have zero skills. Honestly the light defense mods have no value unless LAVs are vulnerable to small arms. Right now it's go heavy defense mods are instapop because it requires heavy anti-tank weapons and turrets to kill them. It's a rather weird place for the LAV. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1099	Posted - 2015.05.09 11:24:00 - [29] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Kaeru Nayiri wrote: In order to combat that effect, I suggest reworking the Blast Turret into a Plasma Shotgun, that fires many pellets at once, and have a small splash. The pellets would HAVE To be real projectiles, like the missile launcher, so that the gunner can see where they really are once they are instantiated by the server. Any hit-scan weapon used by a gunner will have this latency issue that causes them to get VERY misleading feedback from their game client. o/ Kaeru. Like this? Good handheld version indeed !!! Here is another example of what I would like the small blaster to look like on a vehicular level: https://youtu.be/4-_TupecK9A?t=40 (don't bother with his audio) It's got a good spread, about 7 or 8 pellets, each with a little splash. I am not suggesting that it work on other vehicles, mind you, this is just an example of what it would look like functionally in terms of: - rate of fire - number of pellets - spread - splash damage Retune what we see in that video for air to ground anti-infantry, and we will have something that will give pilots an honest choice between missiles or plasma. Know what cannot be known.
knight guard fury Carbon 7 1633	Posted - 2015.05.09 13:26:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Alright, Small Blasters, while better are still just not cutting it as a mostly dedicated Small Turret. As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. For Dropships it's still pretty obvious that Small Missiles are the way to go, Small blasters don't have enough accuracy for the range combined with the time it takes to get accurate to be viable but that's just the way it is but I'll get back to that later. The way I see it is that there are three ways we could fix this issue. Option 1: Have the Startup Spread & Reticle a smaller than what we have no to where you can at least hit a guy from 20 meters away then it gets accurate from there. Option 2: Have an inverse firing mechanic which basically starts it off extremely accurate to less accurate.... Option 3: General Damage buff. This will allow those few initial stray shots to give the enemy the idea that he needs to back off before the pain train comes to town in a death stream. Now onto LAVs. Like Blasters, LAVs are in a much better place but they still just aren't there yet. The fitting increase as well as slot layout was much needed but it's still lacking. When Rattati first initially nerfed the LAVs HP I thought that surely he would give us the slot layout we had before when LAVs were balanced but alas...here we are. LAVs gained 1 primary tank slot but not the their secondary slot which allowed the LAV to be a versatile support platform or in shields case, a boost to shields and shield resist (using the Power Diagnostic unit module and damage control unit) The way I see it there are three ways to fix LAVs. Option 1: Give the Saga it's second low slot back and the Methana it's second high slot back. Option 2: Have tiered LAVs similar to how we have dropsuits that progress in fitting and slots. Example: STD Methana - 1H 3L. ADV Methana - 1H - 4L. PRO - 2H - 4L Option 3: Have it tierd like tanks and give each races LAV it's own slot layout and only increase the fitting space between higher and lower levels. Saga LAV: 5H - 1L and Methana LAV 3H - 4L Any progression would be like HAVs. I consider Dropships to be a higher priority after this last patch. Excellent feedback, and I am hearing good things from players contacting me. Small blasters seem to be at least semi viable ona dropship, but I think they will shine on an HAV. The saga is the only true vehicle with a tech-ll variant. I would rather have the LAV's with a better slot layout and a tech-lol variant of the methana and with increased pg and cpu. It's pretty cool that the saga ll has a reactive shield hardener on it for added defence and I really think the methana should get one too. Also if we had tech-ll variants of tanks, that would be great, just add more ph and cup to them and give them something to make them tech-ll worthy. It would also be better than having this basic, + and ++ tank model we have now. Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.

Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 9977	Posted - 2015.05.09 19:31:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was playing around with a saga, and was capped fairly hard by pg. Not a viable fit but I just wanted to try all the new items together regulator small blaster heat sink dispalizer extender and ended up having to trade the low for an armor slot. What are your normal fittings capped by? A crippling inability to stay alive long enough to make any sort of use of the blaster. The issue stems from the fact that people aren't afraid of Small Blasters because they know they're terrible. I roll up in an HAV and people are going to either run or change fittings to deal with the problem. I roll up in an LAV and they're likely just going to shoot at me, the gunner, because of my inability to move and put down enough DPS (due to hit reliability, overheating, long reloads, etc). If they're conveniently running AV they know that the LAV is weak enough to -maybe- survive one or two barrages from any form of AV. So, it's double jeopardy. I either die to small arms fire because the Small Blaster is incredibly inaccurate and doesn't have good enough DPS to warrant that inaccuracy, or I burn in a fire with whatever suit I was wearing because - almost ironically - the LAV is easier to kill than I am. LAVs need to be defensable enough to warrant use of the gun. I get a little agitated whenever someone says that LAVs are just expendable means of transport because they -could- be infantry support/suppression platforms if they just had something that allowed them to be: Defense. Either make the LAV have the capability to be durable enough to survive AV for longer than one or two shots or give the gunner some means of defense against small arms fire beyond hope and prayer. Small Turrets only excel on other platforms (DS, ADS, HAV) because it's difficult to remove them from play. They're fiercesome, not because of their damage application, but because of the risk involved in trying to kill the gunner. You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 561	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:26:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: GÇª...Any progression would be like HAVs. I consider Dropships to be a higher priority after this last patch. Excellent feedback, and I am hearing good things from players contacting me. Small blasters seem to be at least semi viable ona dropship, but I think they will shine on an HAV. GÇª..He said 'DROPSHIPS'. Did anyone catch that?---He specifically said "DROPSHIPSGÇªafter this last patch". My time has come. "I have been waiting a long time, Obiwan Kenobi. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but a learner----now I am a Master now." Come, GrimsnesGÇª come. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6511	Posted - 2015.05.10 15:08:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Alright, Small Blasters, while better are still just not cutting it as a mostly dedicated Small Turret. As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. For Dropships it's still pretty obvious that Small Missiles are the way to go, Small blasters don't have enough accuracy for the range combined with the time it takes to get accurate to be viable but that's just the way it is but I'll get back to that later. The way I see it is that there are three ways we could fix this issue. Option 1: Have the Startup Spread & Reticle a smaller than what we have no to where you can at least hit a guy from 20 meters away then it gets accurate from there. Option 2: Have an inverse firing mechanic which basically starts it off extremely accurate to less accurate.... Option 3: General Damage buff. This will allow those few initial stray shots to give the enemy the idea that he needs to back off before the pain train comes to town in a death stream. Now onto LAVs. Like Blasters, LAVs are in a much better place but they still just aren't there yet. The fitting increase as well as slot layout was much needed but it's still lacking. When Rattati first initially nerfed the LAVs HP I thought that surely he would give us the slot layout we had before when LAVs were balanced but alas...here we are. LAVs gained 1 primary tank slot but not the their secondary slot which allowed the LAV to be a versatile support platform or in shields case, a boost to shields and shield resist (using the Power Diagnostic unit module and damage control unit) The way I see it there are three ways to fix LAVs. Option 1: Give the Saga it's second low slot back and the Methana it's second high slot back. Option 2: Have tiered LAVs similar to how we have dropsuits that progress in fitting and slots. Example: STD Methana - 1H 3L. ADV Methana - 1H - 4L. PRO - 2H - 4L Option 3: Have it tierd like tanks and give each races LAV it's own slot layout and only increase the fitting space between higher and lower levels. Saga LAV: 5H - 1L and Methana LAV 3H - 4L Any progression would be like HAVs. I consider Dropships to be a higher priority after this last patch. Excellent feedback, and I am hearing good things from players contacting me. Small blasters seem to be at least semi viable ona dropship, but I think they will shine on an HAV. Have you considered changing dropsuits to progress like HAVs? Seems to me like a good system, that allows for actual use of utility modules at lower tiers, because you aren't worried about using all of your slots to survive for longer than 2 seconds of combat. Some details can be ignored
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4646	Posted - 2015.05.12 08:28:00 - [34] - Quote I've tried new little blaster, but i think that the reticule should become small faster and turn back large slower. Currently you can't sustain fire with small reticule without overheating. Shaman's Shack - A place to trade Training to be a packed RE master launcher
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 1184	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:58:00 - [35] - Quote Is anyone opposed to having blasters have the 'small' dispersion from the start and then leaving it constant? My main reasons: - This would simplify handling a lot. Hold R1 to make reds go ouch. - The very quick heat generation makes you want to burst fire anyhow - especially from a moving platform. - Right now the handling is that of a laser rifle. Hold R1 to reduce dispersion, but don't hold it too long or you overheat. Reload after two full bursts because the clip is too small for a third one. (Keep that design in mind if you ever want to introduce an Amarr-ish variant - it's just not very Gallente. Ideally mitigate heat management too so we get that bullet-hose-thing going the AR does so well.) - Small blasters are still much less lethal than missile launchers. This will hardly make them OP, but move them in the right direction.
nyghthawke cox Nyghthawke Industries 0	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:09:00 - [36] - Quote why can't there be an LAV with one pilot drop one rider so it is a two person rig but lets you have a large turret. It would have a driver and gunner. Look similar to a flatbed in design. driver rides in middle up front
nyghthawke cox Nyghthawke Industries 0	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:13:00 - [37] - Quote Can we have scout flyers. They would basically be armored pods. May be a way to allow Dust CEOs full rights as The Eve pilots
Dead Cavino Lunatic.High 95	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:27:00 - [38] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I've tried new little blaster, but i think that the reticule should become small faster and turn back large slower. Currently you can't sustain fire with small reticule without overheating. This is exactly the problem I have with the blaster Incubus. I stop shooting for a second to stop from overheating, and then the dispersion resets back to default. Then I over heat when i continue to fire without any accuracy. I've tried using a heat sink, which works pretty good. But then no AB means swift death. But the small blasters work great on HAVs and LAVs as is=Conundrum I don't like two-legged things.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1197	Posted - 2015.05.15 20:10:00 - [39] - Quote Dead Cavino wrote: shaman oga wrote: I've tried new little blaster, but i think that the reticule should become small faster and turn back large slower. Currently you can't sustain fire with small reticule without overheating. This is exactly the problem I have with the blaster Incubus. I stop shooting for a second to stop from overheating, and then the dispersion resets back to default. Then I over heat when i continue to fire without any accuracy. I've tried using a heat sink, which works pretty good. But then no AB means swift death. But the small blasters work great on HAVs and LAVs as is=Conundrum It is -lethal- from an incubus gunner seat, not so much for the pilot. Know what cannot be known.
Dead Cavino Lunatic.High 117	Posted - 2015.05.16 06:02:00 - [40] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Dead Cavino wrote: shaman oga wrote: I've tried new little blaster, but i think that the reticule should become small faster and turn back large slower. Currently you can't sustain fire with small reticule without overheating. This is exactly the problem I have with the blaster Incubus. I stop shooting for a second to stop from overheating, and then the dispersion resets back to default. Then I over heat when i continue to fire without any accuracy. I've tried using a heat sink, which works pretty good. But then no AB means swift death. But the small blasters work great on HAVs and LAVs as is=Conundrum It is -lethal- from an incubus gunner seat, not so much for the pilot. Pray tell how people fit multiple turrets on an ADS? I can't figure it out I don't like two-legged things.



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