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True Adamance wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

On the Topic of Small Turrets what would you guys think of a Small and Large Plasma Cannon Turret?

Similar to how Caldari have their Rails (Primarily AV) and Missiles (Both but great on infantry)

I'd like to see it if Gallente Turrets get a similar line up.

Small Blasters absolutely suck in a dropship, especially an Incubus. Even if you end up fixing small blasters to where they used to be you simply won't be able to compete with the Advantages of the small Missile Launcher.

So here we have the Plasma Cannon turret.

It will have the same general characteristics as the infantry version, long reload, charge time and parabolic trajectory.

The Small Variant will have about the same radius as the basic plasma cannon but with reduced splash damage as well as slightly less direct damage. Think of it as a mix between a Vehicle Mounted Rocket Launcher and Vehicle Mounted Grenade Launcher.

The Large Variant is basically what the small turret is but multiple loads. Similar to what the large Missile Launcher is to the small missile launcher.

Wanted that Plasma Cannon Turret for a long time now. I have a set of stats for the Plasma Cannon variation of the Ion Cannon which I can post here if you want. I also have stats for a tri-barrel Charged Electron Cannon, based off of old concept art.


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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10615	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:35:00 - [1] - Quote Alright, Small Blasters, while better are still just not cutting it as a mostly dedicated Small Turret. As some of you might know the small blasters now have a accuracy gain while firing similar to the HMG. The issue with the turret as is, is that by the time you have an accurate enough stream of fire you are about to overheat or run out of ammo. The problem with this is that the time it takes for you to get that constant DPS to kill anyone above STD they will very likely pluck your conveniently exposed head out of the gunner seat, especially if it's multiple people. For Dropships it's still pretty obvious that Small Missiles are the way to go, Small blasters don't have enough accuracy for the range combined with the time it takes to get accurate to be viable but that's just the way it is but I'll get back to that later. The way I see it is that there are three ways we could fix this issue. Option 1: Have the Startup Spread & Reticle a smaller than what we have no to where you can at least hit a guy from 20 meters away then it gets accurate from there. Option 2: Have an inverse firing mechanic which basically starts it off extremely accurate to less accurate.... Option 3: General Damage buff. This will allow those few initial stray shots to give the enemy the idea that he needs to back off before the pain train comes to town in a death stream. Now onto LAVs. Like Blasters, LAVs are in a much better place but they still just aren't there yet. The fitting increase as well as slot layout was much needed but it's still lacking. When Rattati first initially nerfed the LAVs HP I thought that surely he would give us the slot layout we had before when LAVs were balanced but alas...here we are. LAVs gained 1 primary tank slot but not the their secondary slot which allowed the LAV to be a versatile support platform or in shields case, a boost to shields and shield resist (using the Power Diagnostic unit module and damage control unit) The way I see it there are three ways to fix LAVs. Option 1: Give the Saga it's second low slot back and the Methana it's second high slot back. Option 2: Have tiered LAVs similar to how we have dropsuits that progress in fitting and slots. Example: STD Methana - 1H 3L. ADV Methana - 1H - 4L. PRO - 2H - 4L Option 3: Have it tierd like tanks and give each races LAV it's own slot layout and only increase the fitting space between higher and lower levels. Saga LAV: 5H - 1L and Methana LAV 3H - 4L Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10615	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:35:00 - [2] - Quote [Reserved] Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10617	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:08:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: On the Topic of Small Turrets what would you guys think of a Small and Large Plasma Cannon Turret? Similar to how Caldari have their Rails (Primarily AV) and Missiles (Both but great on infantry) I'd like to see it if Gallente Turrets get a similar line up. Small Blasters absolutely suck in a dropship, especially an Incubus. Even if you end up fixing small blasters to where they used to be you simply won't be able to compete with the Advantages of the small Missile Launcher. So here we have the Plasma Cannon turret. It will have the same general characteristics as the infantry version, long reload, charge time and parabolic trajectory. The Small Variant will have about the same radius as the basic plasma cannon but with reduced splash damage as well as slightly less direct damage. Think of it as a mix between a Vehicle Mounted Rocket Launcher and Vehicle Mounted Grenade Launcher. The Large Variant is basically what the small turret is but multiple loads. Similar to what the large Missile Launcher is to the small missile launcher. Wanted that Plasma Cannon Turret for a long time now. I have a set of stats for the Plasma Cannon variation of the Ion Cannon which I can post here if you want. I also have stats for a tri-barrel Charged Electron Cannon, based off of old concept art. Please do. I was hoping you'd comment. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10618	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:26:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dead Cavino wrote: Small Blaster Turret + Heat Sink = Death Machine That does not explain anything nor serve to prove that they are not currently the least efficient turret to use at present time against infantry. It is also a pretty poor comment to say anything on fixing. Small Rails nor Small Missiles need a module to make them at least somewhat effective. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10623	Posted - 2015.05.08 14:47:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was playing around with a saga, and was capped fairly hard by pg. Not a viable fit but I just wanted to try all the new items together regulator small blaster heat sink dispalizer extender and ended up having to trade the low for an armor slot. What are your normal fittings capped by? Surprisingly PG as well. But I am an armor methana and since the AV weapons in this game are heavily biased against armor I need more protection as I'm naturally weak to everything. I've tried various fittings but they all result in the same thing. LAV is just a tad weak and the small blaster isn't up to par, but when it hits, it hits you just don't have enough time for it to start hitting. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10623	Posted - 2015.05.08 16:17:00 - [6] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: maybe give the LAV skillbook a bonus? Like +10% blast radius for small missiles on caldari LAV's and -10% heat build up for small blasters on galente LAV's? I agree 100% with this. LAV operation needs a bonus if we were to make them better and those bonuses would put them in a much better place. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel