For the vets, try to make a balanced match.

However, please fill the matches up as people leave.

For the veterans, we would rather have full matches than perfectly balanced ones.

When people don't leave, I am seeing great fights.

In matches that are not filled back up, boring matches that barely 50 clones are killed on each team.

In matches that ARE refilled as the players leave, a lot of fun.

A sollution could be a reduction of Pub squad size to 4 players, combined with increasing the FW squad size to 8, as added benefit I believe it would make FW more desireable for a lot of people.

This is good news

I do have one suggestion though. I've been experiencing very balanced Skirms, and I believe that's because I play it often. The thing is though that I suck at Bush, and most Bushes end in stomps for me. I think that this is because since I kick ass in Skirm, Scotty also thinks I'll kick ass in Bush, which isn't true.

Would it be possible to introduce 3 separate ELO ratings for each of the 3 modes? Because right now, I feel that if I want decent matches, I am basically confined to playing one mode. I'm not saying that Skirm is particularly more balanced than other modes; I'm saying that the ELO rating is skewed when one merc excels in one mode, but is poor in another.

Since when the changes are implemented? From today or earlier?

Waiting for Aeon to come here and flip his solid organic waste.

In case it hasn't been mentioned yet, the soloist queue needs work. I'm being put into partially completed (often nearly completed) matches more often than not. From a soloist's perspective, Scotty 2.0 was working very well immediately prior to the FW Event. Whatever was changed during last week's FW Event screwed Scotty up, and he has yet to recover.

This sounds all nice and fair but it gets all thrown of the window when 50% of the players in the vet bracket quit upon seeing whos on the opposition. In my opinion there needs to be a punishment for people who do "lobbyshopping". If you are not familiar what "lobbyshopping" is Rattati then i shall enlighten you.

-Lobbyshopping
this terms describes the behaviour of leaving and entering new lobbys/matches until the person in question of this is confident to have a "easy match". But because people like to squad up in Dust514 this behaviour spreads onto the full squad. Which means matches will be extremely unbalanced and boring and its not uncommon to see 12vs5 or even worse results.

Indeed it is a lot better, though I'm not sure the game itself is more fun now.

With such a small playerbase we seem to end up with more or less the exact same teams fighting eachother game after game, it gets boring really fast.

A positive side of it is seing some people's "true colours", AKA they leave everytime they see some good opposition.

The negative side is, well, lots and lots of very boring battles where we are fighting "the lesser half" of the enemy due to the good squad leaving. So it ends up as a 16 vs 8 stomp, and the 8 people remaining aren't all that interrested in doing much on the right side of the redline.

A sollution could be a reduction of Pub squad size to 4 players, combined with increasing the FW squad size to 8, as added benefit I believe it would make FW more desireable for a lot of people.

You just gotta hand it to the general Dust playerbase though, its on average the most rotten and despicable I've ever seen. "Fair fights you say? We'll have none of that! Let just leave battle and sod off instead."

If you join a match late your ISK and SP per WP rewards should be increased to encourage people to stay and play. Make leaving the match less profitable than staying.

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But we will still see entire squads leaving as long as
- we get Scotty errors which prevent some people of a squad to get deployed
- we get insane frame rate drops on some maps
- we get insane lag issues in some matches
- we get to play the same map more than 3 times in a row

These issues can neither be solved by matchmaking nor by punishing people for leaving.

Yeah my back is hurting big time.

Yesterday was a pretty bad day. we where 4 Rainbows in squad, all with what I believe to be with extremely high MU scores, the result:

In every game we fight 2 full squads on the opposing team with horrible inept bludots on our own. The 4 of us seems to be meant to carry the other 12, which normally where reduced to 6 by the end of the game.

And yes I was fighting people in about 50/5o enhanced gear and proto, the sort of people that I kill 95% in any sort of "fair" 1vs1. The problem ishowever: In order to actually inflence the battle the 4 of us needs to split up, (we were playing Skirmish) and in most situations we end up fighting 1 vs 4 or 2 vs 6 and so on.

I went positive in terms of KDR every game, but only barely, we lost EVERY SINLE GANE though. Normally ending with the 4 of us on top of the list with good scores and having the usual list of 0-12, 1-16 etc filing up the team.

Fighting 4 semi-good people which are obviously organised and communicative is very hard. In many situations all the bluedots around you die really fast and you are left as "the last man standing" being zerged by semi-scrubs.

The sollution:

(And I am not pretending to understand how exactly the MU system works, b ut this is my take n it)

Lets take myself as an example:

A merc with a 4.8 kdr, 4.6 W/L ratio, 120 k kills and 80ish M SP is not worth the equivalent of 2 dudes with half of those stats. Well maybe we are, but we can't compensate for having 12 of these on the other team while having 4-6 of very good players on hours, when the remaining 12 on our team is more or less completely useless.

In a sense it factually ends up as being a 12 vs 6 situation where the remaining bluedots on each team just aswell could have made a party in the MCC.

The MU curve need to get flatter as it goes upwards. I hope that makes any sense...

How to reduce the amount of people leaving battle.

Remove the leaderboard showing both teams, only show it when the battle ends.


Many leave because they do not want to fight whoever is on the opposite side, they want to see all NPC corps not squads of corps. If they do not know who they are fighting, they will hopefully not leave asap. Some will as soon as they see the killfeed for a minute and notice which group of people they are fighting however.

Reduce squad size to 4, such that 6-man 500M SP stompsquads are rendered non-existent and 4-man 300M squads are always checked by like type. If there are big names on one side, more often than not there will be big names on the other. If players trust that they're in for a fair fight, they'll will be more likely to stick around even when they see big names in the killfeed or roster.

Yeah! Stop putting me up against Fatal Absolution and 0uter.Heaven!

Aye, mister corp jumper (TRSAX, RND) I'll take you on anyday in my Kaalakioata Tactical HAV in the redline

Yeah my back is hurting big time.

Yesterday was a pretty bad day. we where 4 Rainbows in squad, all with what I believe to be with extremely high MU scores, the result:

In every game we fight 2 full squads on the opposing team with horrible inept bludots on our own. The 4 of us seems to be meant to carry the other 12, which normally where reduced to 6 by the end of the game.

And yes I was fighting people in about 50/5o enhanced gear and proto, the sort of people that I kill 95% in any sort of "fair" 1vs1. The problem ishowever: In order to actually inflence the battle the 4 of us needs to split up, (we were playing Skirmish) and in most situations we end up fighting 1 vs 4 or 2 vs 6 and so on.

I went positive in terms of KDR every game, but only barely, we lost EVERY SINLE GANE though. Normally ending with the 4 of us on top of the list with good scores and having the usual list of 0-12, 1-16 etc filing up the team.

Fighting 4 semi-good people which are obviously organised and communicative is very hard. In many situations all the bluedots around you die really fast and you are left as "the last man standing" being zerged by semi-scrubs.

The sollution:

(And I am not pretending to understand how exactly the MU system works, b ut this is my take n it)

Lets take myself as an example:

A merc with a 4.8 kdr, 4.6 W/L ratio, 120 k kills and 80ish M SP is not worth the equivalent of 2 dudes with half of those stats. Well maybe we are, but we can't compensate for having 12 of these on the other team while having 4-6 of very good players on hours, when the remaining 12 on our team is more or less completely useless.

In a sense it factually ends up as being a 12 vs 6 situation where the remaining bluedots on each team just aswell could have made a party in the MCC.

The MU curve need to get flatter as it goes upwards. I hope that makes any sense...

I have a few questions I am hoping someone can clarify for me.

I've had a couple of characters for about a year and at least with this one I've been proto stomped way too many times. My K/D/R is something like 0.19 and over 4800 deaths. OK so I'm not someone that has a bunch of time to master FPS games, but I really like this one and held my own on other PC FPS games in the past. What I've found is even with the new matchmaking system I'm still getting proto stomped, and yes it is very frustrating.

I even created a new character thinking that with the new one I'd go up against people that I could actually compete with, but I keep getting knocked out with Experimental and Advanced stuff even though he is running the starter suites.

I am seriously considering dropping all my current characters and starting completely over.

Will that pit me up against other players that are more close to my actual skill?

Will the time I've hung around actually hurt me if I start over? Is it hurting me now?

I know I'll loose a huge amount of hard earned skill points, ISK, and a bunch of items. Is it better to stick it out and hope I can be competitive whenever I can run the same suites and equipment?

I also hate it when the team I'm on does not try to win! I don't normally leave battles, but I have at least once when I just could not compete at all.