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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
9554
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:09:00 -
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Eh you deserve it for one reason or another, I'm sure
Breakin Stuff wrote: But bluntly Aeon, you need to check your ego. You do not get to play primary redline sniper and get to claim that you're amazing. It doesn't work like that. The nerd in the assault suit that continually runs rings around my proto fatsuits and drops me consistently?
He gets to claim badassery.
Redline snipers just get hunted for sport and the pleasure of destroying thales. The redline is for risk aversion and I will forever dismiss any claim to "skill" by anyone who spends most of their time there.
But if you're continually geting rekt because the other team outnumbers you? Blame the matchmaking tier.
Congratulations. You're In the top tier. Not many are, and until we get a few more, the top tier is going to suck ass.
But seriously, Breakin, if you're assuming I do what I say I do on the forums you really don't know me and can't judge. Go watch my youtube channel or my livestream and see what I'm like - hell of a lot different than what I complain about on the forums (sniper rifles suck, why would I redline camp with a weapon that may or may not even hit it's target..?)
Educate yourself.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8136
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:44:00 -
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Actually I think you conflating my lack of sympathy with blaming you for what IS a flaw in the system is hilarious.
I don't actually think you are a stat padder. I said the top tier is choked off with them. When I am directing a statement at YOU I say you. My only problem with your complaint is the sniper/redline thing. 90% of my comments were directed as explanation referencing the re*ards who DO stat pad and crow about it.
If you were JUST a stat padding moron NF woukd have ejected your ass. I pick on the tryhards but I know which ones are actual dumbasses.
Try to be a little less overly defensive. My lack of sympathy is circumstantial and not directed at your actions.
But if it makes you feel better I can go full goon and troll the bejeezuz out of you deliberately.
Only the matchmaking tier portion is really relevant to your topic.
But you're still sniper scum.
AV
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8136
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:46:00 -
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A better way to say it would be the top tier is starved for enough players. The bracket I'm in performs beautifully.
AV
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DERP33
Glitched Connection
47
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:53:00 -
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You are just part of the problem. LOL. The matchmaker thinks your good, if you are paired up against other good players it's a compliment lol. According to you though, the matchmaker is wrong, and you are truly bad. |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
9554
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:A better way to say it would be the top tier is starved for enough players. The bracket I'm in performs beautifully.
I apparently waited so long (got scotty'd for duration twice) that it threw me into a lower tier bracket.
Results were about the same because the game still thinks I'm some kind of god, apparently.
Here's the gallery.
http://postimg.org/gallery/16daq2hhu/ |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
9554
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:58:00 -
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DERP33 wrote:You are just part of the problem. LOL. The matchmaker thinks your good, if you are paired up against other good players it's a compliment lol. According to you though, the matchmaker is wrong, and you are truly bad.
Your name is startlingly appropriate for that comment. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8136
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:04:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:A better way to say it would be the top tier is starved for enough players. The bracket I'm in performs beautifully. I apparently waited so long (got scotty'd for duration twice) that it threw me into a lower tier bracket. Results were about the same because the game still thinks I'm some kind of god, apparently. Here's the gallery. http://postimg.org/gallery/16daq2hhu/
Unfortunately my bullsh*t theory can't be proven until CCP adds a Merc "quality rating" so we can see what approximate bracket we fit into.
Nothing can. But I can confirm that some higher tier players can get matches faster (with more reliability) by having a squad leader who's closer to my bracket.
Almost all of the worst complaints seem to come from the high bracket players. Most of whom are confirmed stat padders. So it could be a lot of things. There's also the sh*tshow matchmakong anomalies that rattati is tracking. I have a feelong that the top and bottom are the break points.
AV
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Protected Void
Nos Nothi
410
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:24:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:It's times like these when I wonder if the matchmaking is broken or if our playerbase are a bunch of risk averse pansies...
Play your matches, lose and yeah maybe even get stomped. Your mu score will adjust accordingly and place you in matches with players more your skill level. There's no shame in it.
There is shame in AFK'ing though. Why play the game at all? Just quit and be done with it. Maybe because I only had two hours to play the game before I have to get ready for work and I at least want to enjoy them or not waste my [REDACTED] time. That last match was the final straw for me. Five guys against an entire team and I'm somehow expected to actually fight? To actually compete against that? But if I AFK it's Shameful? No. AFKing isn't "risk-averse" it's not being an idiot and putting yourself in a stupid situation when you're just going to lose anyway. I actually respect players who AFK in those kind of matches more than people who just throw themselves at the enemy desperately hoping to somehow turn it around in some 300-esque BS because they're so terrified of how the community views AFKing.
What I do in most cases when my team is severly outnumbered: Fight anyway, pick off stragglers and hack stuff behind their back. Even in a 16-to-1 scenario, they can't be everywhere. Annoy them. Practise stealth and evasion. Earn their respect. I rarely go negative KDR in these matches, and the ISK payout is good even if you only manage to get a little bit of WP. And no, I don't consider myself a particularly good player. I'm somewhere between intermediate+ and decent.
Works for me, and I don't have to torture myself being annoyed and impatient. |
Zepod
Titans of Phoenix RUST415
173
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:40:00 -
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As opposed to just AFKing and doing nothing, why not play a different game?
You may not like what I said, but it's true.
It might anger or offend you, but it's still true.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9409
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:00:00 -
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Just wanting to point this point, since we now have a devblog discussing matchmaking improvements.
Devblog wrote:To be absolutely certain, we have taken the steps to correlate this value with a number of skill ratios, such as KDR (Kill Death Ratio) and WP/D (War Points per Death Ratio), and finally W/L (Win Loss Ratio) and are certain of the systemGÇÖs merit. KDR - Can be increased to absurd levels by redline sniping. WP/D - Keeping your death count low by avoiding combat via sniping would also inflate this ratio... W/L - In this post you state that you ran squads with RnD/Negative Feedback folks which may have upped this ratio too. By sniping the ratio may have leveled out. For argument sake, I'll pretend you are "average" in this particular ratio.
That's 2 out of 3 indicators of player skill being artificially increased.
Your mu score is controlled by your actions. Perhaps one of the reasons some players are not experiencing issues with the matchmaking improvements and other are not is due to their predilection for low risk, high reward playstyles.
If that is the case, then AFK'ing will not solve your problem, Aeon. It might lower your W/L ratio, but your KDR and WP/D stay the same.
You will have to fit a non-sniper rifle and get into the fight. Pick up some newer players and squad with them. Teach them what you know and be 100% ready to die a bunch. Initially the matches may be stomps, but as your mu score adjusts itself you will be put into more and more balanced matches.
That is my attempt at not-in-any-way-trolling-completely-sincere advice. Good luck and godspeed.
@Ripley_Riley
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8138
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:02:00 -
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Ripley is 100% correct.
AV
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olssam 62
Prima Gallicus
171
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:05:00 -
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Nearly 30 minutes of waiting
Channel Youtube - Dust 514 FR - Olssam62
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cris bleu
Carbon 7
125
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:12:00 -
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Aeon, "...some of us actually play this game to have fun..." Starlight, "I play games for enjoyment" Please tell me how much fun it is to AFK. |
shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4419
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:12:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:So DUST is still bad then? Good, good. Got to find the conjurer quickly before he can open new portals from other plans and conjure old players
Shifted in time, your tomorrow, my today.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:51:00 -
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I dont personally get too many games that are nearly over that's not to say that they dont still happen because they do. If you keep getting a lot of nearly done game then that IS a big problem that CCP should definitely look into.
Aeon mate this is how matches have been for me playing solo for a lot longer than just this last matchmaker hotfix.
The way I see it is, if my team is really crappy, it means I will knock the WP figure up nice and high and bag a lot of isk n SP. (I lose more isk to achieve that however..... would this be your experience too?)
By the way man, next time your online hit me up, I will run some squads so you can see the kind of matches I get into on the EU servers. Some of them can be absolutely great fun brawlfests, others are massive stomps.
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
SCV Ready!
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
9556
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Just wanting to point this point, since we now have a devblog discussing matchmaking improvements. Devblog wrote:To be absolutely certain, we have taken the steps to correlate this value with a number of skill ratios, such as KDR (Kill Death Ratio) and WP/D (War Points per Death Ratio), and finally W/L (Win Loss Ratio) and are certain of the systemGÇÖs merit. KDR - Can be increased to absurd levels by redline sniping. WP/D - Keeping your death count low by avoiding combat via sniping would also inflate this ratio... W/L - In this post you state that you ran squads with RnD/Negative Feedback folks which may have upped this ratio too. By sniping the ratio may have leveled out. For argument sake, I'll pretend you are "average" in this particular ratio. That's 2 out of 3 indicators of player skill being artificially increased. Your mu score is controlled by your actions. Perhaps one of the reasons some players are experiencing issues with the matchmaking improvements while others are not is due to their predilection for low risk, high reward playstyles. If that is the case, then AFK'ing will not solve your problem, Aeon. It might lower your W/L ratio, but your KDR and WP/D will stay the same. You will have to fit a non-sniper rifle and get into the fight. Pick up some newer players and squad with them. Teach them what you know and be 100% ready to die a bunch. Initially the matches may be stomps, but as your mu score adjusts itself you will be put into more and more balanced matches. That is my attempt at not-in-any-way-trolling-completely-sincere advice. Good luck and godspeed.
Yeah, you are trolling because you wont get off the ******* sniper rifle redline AFK bs dude.
Again, watch my youtube videos. Watch my stream for once in your life. Read something I post other then those cherry picked threads. Talk to people who I roll with. Theyll tell you a completely different story and maybe, just maybe, you can look at this objectively.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
9556
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:12:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:I dont personally get too many games that are nearly over that's not to say that they dont still happen because they do. If you keep getting a lot of nearly done game then that IS a big problem that CCP should definitely look into.
Aeon mate this is how matches have been for me playing solo for a lot longer than just this last matchmaker hotfix.
The way I see it is, if my team is really crappy, it means I will knock the WP figure up nice and high and bag a lot of isk n SP. (I lose more isk to achieve that however..... would this be your experience too?)
By the way man, next time your online hit me up, I will run some squads so you can see the kind of matches I get into on the EU servers. Some of them can be absolutely great fun brawlfests, others are massive stomps.
Thats just it though, dawg, a player shouldnt have to run a squad to get baseline enjoyment out of this game. Its a fundamental problem, I feel. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9418
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:24:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Yeah, you are trolling because you wont get off the ******* sniper rifle redline AFK bs dude.
Again, watch my youtube videos. Watch my stream for once in your life. Read something I post other then those cherry picked threads. Talk to people who I roll with. They'll tell you a completely different story and maybe, just maybe, you can look at this objectively. If you are being pitted against entire squads then your mu score is high. The exact reason for it being high is debatable, but it is. This means you fall into the upper echelon of players in terms of skill. In most online games you would be demographic seeking "end game content".
For Dust 514, the closest thing we have to end game content is FW and PC.
If you completely object to what I am proposing you do in public contacts then migrate to FW and PC. I'm sure you know PC does not have matchmaking. According to CCP AquarHEAD in this thread, you will not have to worry about lopsided teams in FW as it attempts to gather a full 16v16 for every match when possible.
TL;DR - Leave public contracts to the low and mid-tier players, like me. Graduate to the more competitive gamemodes such as FW and PC.
@Ripley_Riley
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1459
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:07:00 -
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All the other nonsense in this thread aside, Matchmaking is completely ****** IMO. I can't stand pubs since the changes. Hell i'm not sure when I last fought a 16 vs 16 battle in a pub.
I think i'm playing in off peak times so maybe that makes it more messed up but i'll come into a battle with one other guy in squad and we get put on the team with 13 guys making it 15 and the other side has 9 guys. Guess who won? I am CONSTANTLY getting a big imbalance in # of players on each side which makes me 99.99% accurate in guessing who is going to win a battle before i even look at who's on each side, all you need to look at is head count on each side.
Overlord of Broman
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Ghost Kaisar
Negative-Feedback
10911
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:15:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:DERP33 wrote:You are just part of the problem. LOL. The matchmaker thinks your good, if you are paired up against other good players it's a compliment lol. According to you though, the matchmaker is wrong, and you are truly bad. Your name is startlingly appropriate for that comment.
Does the term "Ad Hominem" mean anything to you?
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
9559
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:35:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:DERP33 wrote:You are just part of the problem. LOL. The matchmaker thinks your good, if you are paired up against other good players it's a compliment lol. According to you though, the matchmaker is wrong, and you are truly bad. Your name is startlingly appropriate for that comment. Does the term "Ad Hominem" mean anything to you?
Does the word 'apathy' mean anything to you? |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven Back and Forth
2776
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:05:00 -
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Were you solo, Aeon?
You will get put in already-started matches more often if you're solo.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
I'm a monster
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Slave of MORTE
378
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:It's times like these when I wonder if the matchmaking is broken or if our playerbase are a bunch of risk averse pansies...
Play your matches, lose and yeah maybe even get stomped. Your mu score will adjust accordingly and place you in matches with players more your skill level. There's no shame in it.
There is shame in AFK'ing though. Why play the game at all? Just quit and be done with it. If pub payouts were not such utter garbage maybe just maybe people would try hard
I'm her slave because amarrians are the best in the sheets #stamina
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1236
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Posted - 2015.04.17 22:09:00 -
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I am about as anti the new matchmaking system as it gets, and suffer from many of the same problems you do. And while I've made posts bitching about it I still play damn near every match I am thrown into. Man the F up.
Your matchmaking sucked the last time and it still sucks this time.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
9559
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Posted - 2015.04.17 22:53:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:I am about as anti the new matchmaking system as it gets, and suffer from many of the same problems you do. And while I've made posts bitching about it I didn't even bother reading past the title and instantly assumed that you're just a life-long AFK scrub lord.
Fixed that for you. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9506
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:DERP33 wrote:You are just part of the problem. LOL. The matchmaker thinks your good, if you are paired up against other good players it's a compliment lol. According to you though, the matchmaker is wrong, and you are truly bad. Your name is startlingly appropriate for that comment. Does the term "Ad Hominem" mean anything to you? Does the word 'apathy' mean anything to you? If you were apathetic, you wouldn't make a whole thread on the subject, then attack the people in it that didn't agree with you. Or keep playing the game if you were frustrated.
And you created text walls the Amarr just got off on.
I do thank you for the entertainment however. There was much to be had.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1238
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:16:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:I am about as anti the new matchmaking system as it gets, and suffer from many of the same problems you do. And while I've made posts bitching about it I didn't even bother reading past the title and instantly assumed that you're just a life-long AFK scrub lord. Fixed that for you.
Actually I read your post, looked at your pictures than read every comment and came to a reasoned conclusion that you need to man the F up.
If your solution to what you've encountered since the start of the new matchmaker is to cower in the corner AFKing what other conclusion am I supposed to arrive at?
I've ran solo 99% of my time playing and suffered though stomps during every iteration CCP has thrown at us, yet I still suit up and go do what damage I can assuming I can even spawn in before its over. I am fairly certain that my MU overestimates my prowess but I've done that on my own with no help from squads so I'll take it as a compliment even when I am facing proto squads time and again.
Fixed your assumption for you.
Your matchmaking sucked the last time and it still sucks this time.
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DozersMouse XIII
Nana-Korobi Ya-Oki
1033
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:43:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Seriously considering AFKing (screenshot is from my third match) this game from now on. See links below as to why. EDIT: This is my fourth match, just joined - haven't even spawned in yet. EDIT: Fifth match, this is how it was when I joined. Didn't get hardly jack for rewards because I couldn't find anything to kill in what little time I had.. Can't even AFK the match maker screws me so badly! EDIT: Match six, lost again for a total of 5/6 matches lost in two hours time. Here's the gallery showing the progression where I actually played because you guys kept whining buuuut didn't make a damn bit of difference. Maybe I should 'git gud'? Right? EDIT: About five and a half hours later I gave it another go and this was the result: http://postimg.org/gallery/16daq2hhu/ I was Scotty'd twice for duration queuing for just Skirmish and after ten minutes it threw me into this Dom match, presumably in a lower Tier bracket for waiting so long, and the result was largely the same despite my actually trying. Still think it's my fault guys? Still trolling? Kay. matchmaking is broke for me
Shotgun me once, shame on me
Shotgun me twice, scans on you
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
799
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Posted - 2015.04.20 00:50:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Imp Smash wrote:I really don't get the matchmaking bitching lately. Of the last 20 matches I've played, 2 were not close.
I still see AFKers...they are just afking and playing on their PS4s... Your my score is probably on par with your actual skill level then.
I don't understand how to take that honestly.. My My score? |
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