But only X can take points and X has tactical flexibility that Y does not have available.

Don't you dare characterize me as a redline tanker I would shoot you down before that happens.

Because then the meta becomes who can get the most tanks out fastest wins.

There should never be a point at which the only viable counter to something is itself. Never.

If vehicle prices are too high, that can be reduced, but it should never be an easy way to not die while racking up kills.

There should never be a role in which the risk/rewards are out of balance.

Whether that is tanks, heavies, or scouts.

This.

Plus becoming an AVer makes you an easy target for both infantry AND tanks. Yes, you can hit tanks but tanks can hit back and harder.

In a game of 16 vs 16, there can only be so many AVers before your team because dysfunctional. Think about it. Four solo tankers vs four-six AVers. The tankers have more firepower and are actively use their firepower to either destroy or hinder you. The AVers are a response, usually, or a defense in waiting. But regardless if the AVers are giving the tankers a hard time, and they're probably not if there's four fricking tankers on the field at once, the enemy team with the four tankers are most likely progressing much better off than your team, unless of course they really suck at corp battles.

I'm not saying that AVers should feel a need to team up to effectively handle a tank but I'm saying is that a solo AVer shouldn't feel completely useless. The AVer should at LEAST be capable, with the right skills and weapons, of hindering the enemy's tank progress in a 1v1.

A lot of tankers from day one feel like 1v1 should always favor the tanker because it costs much more. But they fail to realize that tanks can become OP much more easily by going off of this idea.

But it simply doesn't. A great many maps are dominated by objectives that are inaccessible to HAV as a result of adjustment's made by Rattati to accommodate infantry. Even if a team placed 4-5 tanks on any map with a large socket they would be doing more harm to their chanced than good.

There are only several specific objectives upon which HAV can have a direct impact.

I mean before maybe because they costed less, but I mean now... no. Your at most like 150k suit killing a 1.3 million tank? No. You should require teamwork to kill a tank. And please don't tell me "We get killed so much trying to kill it." I get killed by vehicles and infrantry too... while hacking an objective, being a logi (not a heavy slaver I might add), ect. There's no excuse for you to even be solo killing an adv tank.

But of course that's my opinion and I'm open for someone to prove me wrong.

Oh dear... Never driven a tank have you? You hop out of a tank to hack a point, either A. An ally took the tank. B. Your tank got hacked. C. Your tank was blown up. or D. It's still sitting there.
In order of likelyhood A: 50% B 15% C 25% D 10% From what I've had when trying this.
More often than not, someone who is in a tank, does not run full expense gear. Kind of stupid to do that when you're already running a high expense that can go boom. If the tanker gets out about 70% of the time I've been able to kill them with my ground setups.

I mean before maybe because they costed less, but I mean now... no. Your at most like 150k suit killing a 1.3 million tank? No. You should require teamwork to kill a tank. And please don't tell me "We get killed so much trying to kill it." I get killed by vehicles and infrantry too... while hacking an objective, being a logi (not a heavy slaver I might add), ect. There's no excuse for you to even be solo killing an adv tank.

But of course that's my opinion and I'm open for someone to prove me wrong.

Yes, if you get out of your tank chances are good that you will lose it. So you lose your advantage and are now just equal to the other players. Being reduced to equal is not unfair. I guess you may be right though, I've never seen a tanker leave his tank to gun down someone before. Oh wait.

If you run a small turret you don't even have to chance that and you share your invincibility with another player.

If 2x = 1y, there's no actual reason to use x in any scenario with a remote amount of importance.

Math... o.O (Hides in the corner)

That's my line.

I mean before maybe because they costed less, but I mean now... no. Your at most like 150k suit killing a 1.3 million tank? No. You should require teamwork to kill a tank. And please don't tell me "We get killed so much trying to kill it." I get killed by vehicles and infrantry too... while hacking an objective, being a logi (not a heavy slaver I might add), ect. There's no excuse for you to even be solo killing an adv tank.

But of course that's my opinion and I'm open for someone to prove me wrong.

Math... o.O (Hides in the corner)

It would be absolute bs for a tank to be easily taken out by a solo DS

A quick breakdown

In a limited numbers game if every assault player counts as 1.0 then the sides would be 16 vs 16 points.

When you shove a player into tank they can easily make it 0 vs 1 where zero will lose against one. The other 15 infantry assult players no longer matter (objective mutator not added this id TDM)

So when you throw in one AV player on the game you now change the score up quite a bit. Most AV players are not that great at killing or supporting or maintaining meaningful effort equal to the baseline soldier class. because of this they're generally not scoring a 1.0 score but rather closer to a 0.5 or 0.25 a problem similarly shared with most logistics. Most have sidearms so they're not totally useless but they're still woefully ineffective against the other 15 players.

So one player going AV it becomes 0.5AV vs 1V + 15 vs 15 infantry.

Now that all infantry matter on both sides the tank we come to find out is a multiplier of sorts it cannot be destroyed by the 15 other players but the AV player can destroy it; It can easily kill the other 15 becuase of the immunity and kill advantage it offers. Well call it a +10% multiplier additive of current forces per HAV.

AV side 15.5 vs 17.5 V side

Now this is our base line in a 1 vs 1 situation.
A team full of AV would have a score of 8 vs 16\
A vehicle heavy team however vs infantry on an objective game (skirmish) would have a score of 16A vs 10V (averages about 12 actual with map factors) (vehicles cannot capture objectives; majority cannot enter objective zones or control them)

Either way as the game remains a low number game a single AV user under reasonable situations must be able to kill a vehicle. Any serious AV player would tell you the largest threat to them has never been the vehicle but rather the infantry that escort it.

The math is mostly arbitrary but it can be concreted more if tried; it just for dust 514 in all of its complexity gets extremely out of hand quickly on the player score weight on paper.

Right now lots of HAVers think it should be 3 AV vs V

So 14.5 vs 17.5

not exactly fair considering most tankers hate the idea of having two people in thier vehicle.