Well I've said this before but here is what I envision with Armor Repairers becoming active modules and shield boosters having a slightly higher HP/minute.

Natural Armor Rep (~30 HP/s) (Constant, very slow, Supplementary HP regeneration)
Natural Shield Recharge (~120 HP/s) (Delayed, slow, Supplementary HP regeneration)

Active Armor Repairer (Moderate Duration, Moderate Rate, Primary HP regeneration)
Active Shield Booster (Short Duration, High Rate, Primary HP regeneration)

The recharge delay is of course a factor, but is the tradeoff for a much higher natural rate. Even so in both cases that is simply supplementary regen. Currently Shield Boosters are so terribad that shield pretty much has to rely on natural recharge....which I think will remain nearly impossible properly balance against armor repairers, ESPECIALLY Heavy Passive ones.

Most of this **** started when CCP Blam moved us to the "Passive Regeneration is Primary Regeneration" model and it has been a mess ever since. Passive regeneration is fine if it is limited to supplementary regen, but the primary regen moves back to the Active model.

NOTE: I think that currently, the issue with armor repairers lies in the HEAVY ones. I don't think the Light ones are problematic so those can probably be left as is, as not to totally mess up Dropships and LAVs for the sake of HAV balance.

As for balancing within the system we already have....I think Rattati is willing to be aggressive in change if it is absolutely necessary. However if he can reach a balanced state by making few changes, he's going to be more likely to go that direction with it. Manpower is very limited on the Dust Dev side so he has to make very tough choices on how things are done, and if he can get the desired result (of balance) with less work, he's going to take that direction with it.

So as usual nerf the only useful vehicle and HAV there is to the point where it is useless and unusable like the other HAV and basically give AV another easy target to kill because you nerfed the only useful vehicle left.

While we are at it nerf hardeners because AV shouldn't have to deal with them because if you can't cause damage when 2 hardeners are on then obv your AV weapon is broken and that is unfair.

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So as usual nerf the only useful vehicle and HAV there is to the point where it is useless and unusable like the other HAV and basically give AV another easy target to kill because you nerfed the only useful vehicle left.

While we are at it nerf hardeners because AV shouldn't have to deal with them because if you can't cause damage when 2 hardeners are on then obv your AV weapon is broken and that is unfair.

Roll on PS2

Wouldn't you think it would be unbalanced that if sentinels had hardeners and they put two of them on their fit and can be shot at by 5 assaults using proto weapons and sentinel HP doesn't even go down at all until their 40 seconds of hardening us up?

Wouldn't you think it would be unbalanced that if sentinels had hardeners and they put two of them on their fit and can be shot at by 5 assaults using proto weapons and sentinel HP doesn't even go down at all until their 40 seconds of hardening us up?

It wouldn't put an end to it...
but it would make the mechanical arguments against it irrelevant

the consistency within the setting argument could then be made...but never really need to be implemented besides making people (such as myself) who like the way Eve's shield regen work happy...but I imagine we're a small portion of the community, and CCP doesn't need to pander to us as long as they balance things in the system they have

It's not even the tanks themselves... It's the hardeners... That's so easy to fix man..

How many times do I have to say that the answer is not to nerf vehicles, but buff them to whatever level the superior hull is at. You get parity in that fashion, not nerfing so AV has an easier time of destroying it.

I don't care what you have to say because no way in hell should armor tanks be invincible to AV. Shield tanks and AV are balanced in my opinion. Armor tanks are definitely not balanced. How is it fair that an armor tank can take 2-3 clips (Clips not swarms) from my Proto Min Commando with proficiency level 4 in swarms and still have full armor?

I don't care what you have to say because no way in hell should armor tanks be invincible to AV. Shield tanks and AV are balanced in my opinion. Armor tanks are definitely not balanced. How is it fair that an armor tank can take 2-3 clips (Clips not swarms) from my Proto Min Commando with proficiency level 4 in swarms and still have full armor?

How many times do I have to say that the answer is not to nerf vehicles, but buff them to whatever level the superior hull is at. You get parity in that fashion, not nerfing so AV has an easier time of destroying it.

It's not even the tanks themselves... It's the hardeners... That's so easy to fix man..

Its hardeners combined with passive heavy repair modules. The hardeners boost the EHP of the tank quite a bit (x4 for double hardener I think?) which has the side effect of magnifying repair module strength by the same amount, this ends up allowing you to outrep a ludicrous amount of damage just by flipping a switch. This isnt a problem in the gunnlogi since the reps can generally be stopped by damage, but on the madruger the reps just keep going regardless, which results in massive imbalance.

Its hardeners combined with passive heavy repair modules. The hardeners boost the EHP of the tank quite a bit (x4 for double hardener I think?) which has the side effect of magnifying repair module strength by the same amount, this ends up allowing you to outrep a ludicrous amount of damage just by flipping a switch. This isnt a problem in the gunnlogi since the reps can generally be stopped by damage, but on the madruger the reps just keep going regardless, which results in massive imbalance.

Show me how you got 61% i would want to add it to my mathz when I go to 2x H-aHP tank vs 2x H-sHP