Thats the point, CCP don't want noncommittal, they want committed. Thats why they won't confirm anything now until its solid.

What would that damage CCP's console customer base? If they announce a port and it doesn't happen the game is dead anyway so who gives a damn?

They don't even need to say if it will be PS4 or PC, just say "we will be moving Dust to a newer platform, how quick that happens depends on several factors".

That's about a noncommittal as you can get and people would sport wood for days.

ps. honest question, how is text chat going to work in VR?

There have been too many false hopes raised in the last 2 1/2 years. I'd rather have some uncertainty than dashed hopes any day of the week.

Kevall,

Thank you for the rundown. I always enjoy reading your posts.

My concern is with this line of logic: "Dust 514 is profitable. If it remains profitable a platform change might happen..."

That has got to be one of the biggest imaginary-carrot-on-a-stick proposals ever. It is brushing up against blackmail; if we continue to pour our money into Dust 514 CCP might move it to PC? What company does that?! This is where the accusations of CCP milking the Dust playerbase for money comes from, Kevall.

We, the players, want to know a tentative date for when Dust 514 will get off of this dinosaur of a console and onto a platform worth of it: PC or PS4 (or both). That is not too much to ask of CCP. I could, quite frankly, give less than two ***** about them being afraid of making a promise they can't keep. If CCP is afraid of making promises they can't keep then they should make a promise and keep it.

Legion shouldn't have been announced. End of story. Everyone at CCP is agreed on that and those that thought it went well at the time, well, they don't work for the company anymore. It's a tech project, much like EVE-VR was, demonstrating how a PC version of a New Eden FPS might look and be possible.

Say CCP say they want to port it to PC but cant commit fully because they don't yet have the funds or business plan in place to do it. But they want you all to know that it is their wish and hope to make the jump to PC and if it goes well PS4 after.

Ok. Let's speak hypothetically here now.

Say CCP say they want to port it to PC but cant commit fully because they don't yet have the funds or business plan in place to do it. But they want you all to know that it is their wish and hope to make the jump to PC and if it goes well PS4 after.

What do you think will happen on these here hallowed forums? Be honest with yourselves here, with all your experience of the forums what do you in all honestly think will happen here.

People will be happy. They will indeed be happy. So far so good.

Then for some reason, CCP's plans change......

The forums would go indiscriminatly bat guano crazy. They'd be plenty of you suddenly claiming that CCP 'promised' us a PC version, that them 'wanting to do it' had somehow become a firm, cast iron guarentee of Dust on PC by next Fanfest. That MTECS, jets and speeders were coming as well with it and every day would be the first day of spring....

If you don't think that would happen then you are, without wishing to sound rude, not in procession of the full facts.

CCP and the CPM don't want that kind of drama. If they have something concrete, signed and more importantly budgeted for they'll tell you and not before.

If they'd told the CPM, that they wanted to a PC version, we'd tell them not to say anything till they were 100% certain they will deliver on it.

There have been too many false hopes raised in the last 2 1/2 years. I'd rather have some uncertainty than dashed hopes any day of the week.

More importantly CCP shouldn't have written of Dust so quickly. CCP got embarrassed about how Dust rolled out, turned over tons of staff, and then tried to hit the reboot button with Legion while at the same time taking Dust out back to shoot it.

While CCP may not be able to specifically say X platform in Y time frame I do think CCP owes it to the community to reaffirm that they plan a long term commitment to Dust 514 ( a "ten year" game as they've said before) and a commitment to the community that is making it profitable.



Also this nonsense about PC first then PS4 is utter crap and I hope CCP backs away from it.

If CCP shoots for PC first PS4 won't happen, and if it does try for PS4 after we'll see the same thing that happened to PS2 where it takes years. By that time the console community that has made this game what it is will be cannibalized by other games and the social community that makes Dust what it is will be dead.

If it doesn't go to PC or PS4 then it's dead anyway. So it doesn't matter. What you are talking about would matter if it were already on PC and we are calling for a PS4 port. This game has to move on to have a real future.

Since future plans are so tight-lipped, what about communication for current plans? I haven't seen any devblogs regarding 1.1 features on the Trello board and a single blue post can go a long way.

Dev blogs for the following would be VERY nice:
District Overview
Performance Improvements
Academy Improvements
Market Improvements
Fitting Metalevels
New Game Mode (Aquisition)
Simple Trading
Matchmaking Improvements

April is less than a week away, and May only a month.

The full team is not yet back in Shanghai, those that are arrived two hours before they left Iceland and as such are fighting massive amounts of jet lag. Once everything is settled I'm sure normal service will resume very quickly.

They do actually know that the game needs to move to a new format for it to continue I hasten to add. It's not like it's escaped their notice

But such a move has costs as I'm sure you'll understand. The game would most likely have to done from scratch as the PS3 architecture and code is simply not able to be ported as is to an X64 based architecture. Not a small job by any means.

Very useful post. I do however really hope the CPM is pushing for a PS4 port not a PC port.

They do actually know that the game needs to move to a new format for it to continue I hasten to add. It's not like it's escaped their notice

But such a move has costs as I'm sure you'll understand. The game would most likely have to done from scratch as the PS3 architecture and code is simply not able to be ported as is to an X64 based architecture. Not a small job by any means.

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Legion shouldn't have been announced. End of story. Everyone at CCP is agreed on that and those that thought it went well at the time, well, they don't work for the company anymore. It's a tech project, much like EVE-VR was, demonstrating how a PC version of a New Eden FPS might look and be possible.

We are unfortunately left with the aftermath of that in terms of the community perception as to Dust's future because that demonstration was streamed live on the main stage rather than in a more low key round table. There are lots of concept art, audio and video shown in these round tables for Eve that look vastly different once they make it into the game.

Obviously I'm somewhat hamstrung as to what I can say because of the NDA but the fact that the CPM and CCP members got a lot of work done, Rattati is full of ideas he wants to implement given half a chance, we have a new matchmaking algorithm ready to be tested in the game, a new game mode, Acquisition, coming in 1.1 or 1.2, PC 2.0, more tweaking as to the balance and a load more stuff that CCP aren't ready to talk about yet should give you more than enough clues as to where we are heading in terms of where Dust and the future of FPS in New Eden is going.

At this point, the name/brand of what that FPS future will be known as, is for me completely irrelevant and a distraction from what is the real question you should be asking 'What would allow CCP to do a format move?'

The game is profitable now and has been for several months. The work that the team has done on it puts the game in a much better position to fight for a larger slice of the limited resource pie at CCP in order for a format jump to happen. As player numbers, retention and yes, revenue increase, our case can only improve.

Also the interview that Rattati and the CPM did can now be found here at the 2:58:10 mark.

Very useful post. I do however really hope the CPM is pushing for a PS4 port not a PC port.

a new game mode? HELL YEAH

So, basically, reading between all the lines of KL's posts in this thread, he is implying (without breaking NDA) that CCP's current position is: "we are thinking of moving Dust 514 to another platform, if it continues being profitable and the players keep spending money on the game".

Basic business practice then.

What about moving Dust to another platform in order for it to continue being profitable? Huh? Subtle difference, but an important one.