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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2552	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:11:00 - [1] - Quote OK, disclaimer time. The CPM are under NDA as you all know. A common misconception of that fact is that it's just so CCP can tell us their plans so we can find fault and stop mistakes being made. The NDA is however much more than that. It creates a forum in which two way discussion can freely occur between us and CCP. This has allowed for massive amounts of iteration in a small amount of time for both the patches and the hotfixes. This is normally encumbered however by the restraints of time zones and availability on Skype, Lync, Twitter etc etc. Disclaimer over. This was not the case at Fanfest. Four of the CPM were there along with CCP's Rouge, Rattati, Frame, Wolfman and Ninja and while Rouge was busy a lot of the time with meetings, a huge amount of one on one time with the Dev's and us happened. In short, we got more work done in a few short days when all together in a room (or bar ) than we've managed in the last few months. This is because CCP have plans. Quite a few in fact as it turns out which is why we we're so busy. But as Hilmar made clear in his welcome to the Fanfest attendees and Twitch viewers, the days of speaking of those plans when they're merely concepts and not known to be deliverable are over. Less talk, more action is how he put it. Hilmar is acutely aware of the disappointment that this has generated in the past and in my discussions with him over the Fanfest, his desire for CCP to not do that again is absolute. Hard lessons have been learnt in that regard with last years Fanfest being an example that he gave in our discussions. This is why this years Fanfest was low key. Even the annual Eve trailer, while still good, was far less hyperbolic with nearly everyone that I spoke to, Dev and player agreeing that it was actually a good thing. This was also of great benefit to Dust as well. The one round table was reasonably well attended, despite being directly after the welcome keynote, a fact that the CPM made clear shouldn't be the case next year. With Hilmar speaking of Dust and how it's improved in the welcome keynote, it reversed a lot of perception in the Eve players there that Dust had already been cancelled. His interview with Polygon confirming its status as a profitable game for CCP actually fuelled a desire by Eve players there to ask us about Dust. With my Cosplay costume being a walking advertisement for Dust I personally was spending far more time fielding questions about the game from players than I had in the last two Fanfests. They were genuinely curious as to how the game was doing and telling them of the strength of the community was an eye opener for many of them. I've already seen a number of threads asking the question 'Has CCP got plans to to move to X format?' This is to my mind at least, a rather redundant and meaningless question. Does anyone here actually think that at this point CCP haven't yet sat down and brainstormed about a format move? It's the wrong question to ask. 'What would allow CCP to do a format move?', is the question you should be discussing amongst yourselves. If a format change is in the works, the current corporate mindset at CCP will not allow them to say so until they are 100% certain it is going to happen. This is the correct way to do it. The circumstances that would allow such a move are improving daily. The game is profitable, has been for a while now and in a much shorter time than Planetside2 took, which is only now paying it's way. As CCP Falcon said to a Eve player while I was signing up for the Cosplay competition, in every metric that matters, the line for Dust is on an upward path. The case for a format switch is growing. But I for one aren't going to take it for granted. Until CCP publically state a move is happening, I'm going to continue to help and improve it's chances as much as I'm able. In conclusion then, this was actually a good Fanfest for Dust, even with its low profile there. Eve players are curious again, with many stating they'll be firing up any PS3 they have to try it again. The CPM and the Shanghai team that were there got a ton of work done. But the overriding theme of the Fest was that VR is the future. As SirManBoy said after his first go ever on Valkyrie in the Press area, using the prototype Crescent Bay Rift headset, 'That was shockingly good!' Project Nemesis, created by CCP Ninja and two colleagues in their spare time, showed how scalable and powerful UE4 is by using it on a phone, creating a fun, easy to play, VR arcade game. It also told me that if any format move happens, they'd be crazy not to use UE4. CCP is at the cutting edge of this technology and further diversifying their portfolio into other genres, while still remaining in New Eden is going to be of benefit to the games in its existing portfolio. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Haerr Nos Nothi 2615	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote ::puts on tinfoil hat:: Dust VR confirmed... > [17:18] Haerr "[...]Tired of being told HAVs are OP[...]" > [17:21] Haerr "My Soma is OP, fear me! [:lol:][:pirate:]"
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2553	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:29:00 - [3] - Quote Haerr wrote: ::puts on tinfoil hat:: Dust VR confirmed... They've tried VR FPS. It makes players throw up. You need the cockpit as a point of reference for the movement to work without motion sickness happening in a fast paced game. Was talking to the Valkyrie Dev's about that. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Haerr Nos Nothi 2615	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:36:00 - [4] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Haerr wrote: ::puts on tinfoil hat:: Dust VR confirmed... They've tried VR FPS. It makes players throw up. You need the cockpit as a point of reference for the movement to work without motion sickness happening in a fast paced game. Was talking to the Valkyrie Dev's about that. ::still has tinfoil hat on:: MTACs confirmed... > [17:18] Haerr "[...]Tired of being told HAVs are OP[...]" > [17:21] Haerr "My Soma is OP, fear me! [:lol:][:pirate:]"
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 538	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:38:00 - [5] - Quote "the days of speaking of those plans when they're merely concepts and not known to be deliverable are over. Less talk, more action is how he put it." That right there is golden! That is the exact aspect of CCP I have joked about even back to my EVE days. Too much slick trailers about their "vision" and not enough actual finished develpoment. As Hilmar himself said (paraphrasing), "We look less at what our customers say than what they do". Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 539	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:45:00 - [6] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Haerr wrote: ::puts on tinfoil hat:: Dust VR confirmed... They've tried VR FPS. It makes players throw up. You need the cockpit as a point of reference for the movement to work without motion sickness happening in a fast paced game. Was talking to the Valkyrie Dev's about that. I hope Valkyrie can ultimately be played without the headset. I have severe motion sickness. I get on a kiddie coaster and get sick. I stop playing a game for awhile and come back and I get sick for the first few times until my beain gets used to it again. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 692	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:59:00 - [7] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Haerr wrote: ::puts on tinfoil hat:: Dust VR confirmed... They've tried VR FPS. It makes players throw up. You need the cockpit as a point of reference for the movement to work without motion sickness happening in a fast paced game. Was talking to the Valkyrie Dev's about that. I hope Valkyrie can ultimately be played without the headset. I have severe motion sickness. I get on a kiddie coaster and get sick. I stop playing a game for awhile and come back and I get sick for the first few times until my beain gets used to it again. I recommend trying the game in VR when it comes out. The Valkyrie devs have put a lot of effort into minimising simulation sickness. Also, I'm pretty sure it's an effect that's been exaggerated, you may well have no problems with it.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 674	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:02:00 - [8] - Quote Thanks for the post, Kevall +1
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2554	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:03:00 - [9] - Quote True, very few if any complaining of motion sickness in Valkyrie. A lot did say that it was a bit discombobulating coming from the virtual to real world such was the realism. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1246	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:15:00 - [10] - Quote Drones confirmed I know you wan't it *( -í° -£-û -í°)*

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3513	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:32:00 - [11] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Haerr wrote: ::puts on tinfoil hat:: Dust VR confirmed... They've tried VR FPS. It makes players throw up. You need the cockpit as a point of reference for the movement to work without motion sickness happening in a fast paced game. Was talking to the Valkyrie Dev's about that. Can confirm on the nausea bit for FPS. For Oculus Rift, "man in machine" games like Valkyrie and racing games will be the bread and butter. It makes sense to be going in a direction you are not facing when in a car or mech-warrior. In a FPS like Valley of the Wind, it is impressive but causes sickness. But on the original topic: Dennie, your support and passion for both of CCP's products is obvious and commendable. I am glad that you are on the CPM for that reason. DUST and EVE Uni are the best institutions in their respective games. However, I feel that there is a point being missed about this FanFest. Yes it is nice not to have over the top hyperbole. Looking to the fact that CCP has been more honest saying things like "we don't know how a platform transfer can happen" and just them having no idea where to go with DUST (or at least where it might go), it is shocking that a follow up to DUST would have been announced a year ago. However, there is a fine line between "only saying what we can deliver" and "I ain't tellin' you nothin' 'bout s**." Legion is out of the bag. Why has it taken one year for CCP to say "we are working on it; we don't know what we want to do yet" rather than this fan dance, winking at the possibility of what might be? I heard you talk about the Rouge Wedding last year, how you were just shocked that this was allowed to happen as a Public Relations disaster so I am certain you can see the dilemma that we have as a community. "CCP isn't talking to us at all." several months later at EVE Vegas* "A dialogue between player and company is very important to us." (I know I bring this up a bunch but I am 80% sure I was talking to Geddis and asked him about DUST/Legion when I didn't know who he was and he said something along the lines of "not much to say at the moment." grumble grumble) several, several months later "Welcome to FanFest! Just so you know, we didn't want to over hype anything this year, which is why we have not said anything about DUST or Legion and have been fairly reserved in everything else." There is a chasm of a difference between the doctor walking in after grandpa's hip surgery and saying "he'll be dancing and running and jumping and flying and making sweet, sweet love like he 19 again in just a few days!" and the surgeon shrugging and saying "nothing to report." It is one thing to not want to give false hope to the family, it is another to be so coy and quiet that the family has to keep asking "Is grandpa even alive?" "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 619	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:40:00 - [12] - Quote The problem is that CCP doesn't want to repeat their mistakes of the past. So it's right not to tell, because the don't know yet. Lack of vision seems to be a major part of the CCP leadership character... So it's probably up to us and The Ratt, to give them the idea of what we want, and at the same time, we obviously have to fund the game, since no funds, means no improvements!
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 336	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:41:00 - [13] - Quote Lots of good news in there. Thank you for the report. I'm very pleased the game is actually making money - it's certainly improved on every level since I signed up a year and a half ago. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6324	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:50:00 - [14] - Quote Thanks for the update, but couldn't disagree more about CCP being silent about their plans or at least acknowledging that something beyond PS3 is going to happen. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain by staying silent. Was Iceland communist until recently? It just seems capitalist principles are so foreign to them.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6115	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:02:00 - [15] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: True, very few if any complaining of motion sickness in Valkyrie. A lot did say that it was a bit discombobulating coming from the virtual to real world such was the realism. Telemarketers and Jehovah's Witnesses are going to be even more hated when people start playing VR. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1116	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:09:00 - [16] - Quote Did Jenza wear the same pants? FOR THE STATE
Everything Dies Not Another Dust Corporation 1289	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:19:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thanks for the update, but couldn't disagree more about CCP being silent about their plans or at least acknowledging that something beyond PS3 is going to happen. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain by staying silent. Was Iceland communist until recently? It just seems capitalist principles are so foreign to them. But that completely ignores CCP's track record of alienating the Dust user base by making grand promises and then never delivering on them; what good has the introduction of Legion done for them? No one knows if Legion will ever see the light of day, much less replace Dust, and yet Dust players are still constantly debating if Legion = no Dust in the future, or what platform it would appear on, etc. Your communism comment is rather odd, given that CCP's move away from hyping up products/features that are never followed up on has correlated with an increase of profitability for Dust; they're finally making money now, so why go back to the policies that prevented them from doing so in the first place? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6324	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:20:00 - [18] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: True, very few if any complaining of motion sickness in Valkyrie. A lot did say that it was a bit discombobulating coming from the virtual to real world such was the realism. Telemarketers and Jehovah's Witnesses are going to be even more hated when people start playing VR. Definitely going down the rabbit hole. But we will need something to keep us from going after the institution when there are no jobs due to automation.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2562	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:21:00 - [19] - Quote Legion shouldn't have been announced. End of story. Everyone at CCP is agreed on that and those that thought it went well at the time, well, they don't work for the company anymore. It's a tech project, much like EVE-VR was, demonstrating how a PC version of a New Eden FPS might look and be possible. We are unfortunately left with the aftermath of that in terms of the community perception as to Dust's future because that demonstration was streamed live on the main stage rather than in a more low key round table. There are lots of concept art, audio and video shown in these round tables for Eve that look vastly different once they make it into the game. Obviously I'm somewhat hamstrung as to what I can say because of the NDA but the fact that the CPM and CCP members got a lot of work done, Rattati is full of ideas he wants to implement given half a chance, we have a new matchmaking algorithm ready to be tested in the game, a new game mode, Acquisition, coming in 1.1 or 1.2, PC 2.0, more tweaking as to the balance and a load more stuff that CCP aren't ready to talk about yet should give you more than enough clues as to where we are heading in terms of where Dust and the future of FPS in New Eden is going. At this point, the name/brand of what that FPS future will be known as, is for me completely irrelevant and a distraction from what is the real question you should be asking 'What would allow CCP to do a format move?' The game is profitable now and has been for several months. The work that the team has done on it puts the game in a much better position to fight for a larger slice of the limited resource pie at CCP in order for a format jump to happen. As player numbers, retention and yes, revenue increase, our case can only improve. Also the interview that Rattati and the CPM did can now be found here at the 2:58:10 mark. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6324	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:23:00 - [20] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thanks for the update, but couldn't disagree more about CCP being silent about their plans or at least acknowledging that something beyond PS3 is going to happen. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain by staying silent. Was Iceland communist until recently? It just seems capitalist principles are so foreign to them. But that completely ignores CCP's track record of alienating the Dust user base by making grand promises and then never delivering on them; what good has the introduction of Legion done for them? No one knows if Legion will ever see the light of day, much less replace Dust, and yet Dust players are still constantly debating if Legion = no Dust in the future, or what platform it would appear on, etc. Your communism comment is rather odd, given that CCP's move away from hyping up products/features that are never followed up on has correlated with an increase of profitability for Dust; they're finally making money now, so why go back to the policies that prevented them from doing so in the first place? Well Legion was quite possibly the dumbest announcement that you'll ever see a company make so it's hard to comment on that part. But we aren't talking about jet fighters or MTACs here. We are talking about the future of the game. There are a LOT of people who no longer play because they don't think it has a future. Why play a long progression game that has no future?

al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 337	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:30:00 - [21] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thanks for the update, but couldn't disagree more about CCP being silent about their plans or at least acknowledging that something beyond PS3 is going to happen. Legion on PS4? I want that too - but I don't want them to say they're going to do it and then pull the plug a couple of years down the line. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 619	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:36:00 - [22] - Quote Problem is Thor, that after the "Lazor focused" remarks in the past, everything will be highly doubted. So I'd rather have them doing it the Ratt way, and let the game evolve in the low key way it does now. If they ever have the funds dedicated for a move to a new platform, there needs to be no shadow of a doubt whatsoever! Otherwise it's just a scam.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6327	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:41:00 - [23] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thanks for the update, but couldn't disagree more about CCP being silent about their plans or at least acknowledging that something beyond PS3 is going to happen. Legion on PS4? I want that too - but I don't want them to say they're going to do it and then pull the plug a couple of years down the line. What would that damage CCP's console customer base? If they announce a port and it doesn't happen the game is dead anyway so who gives a damn? They don't even need to say if it will be PS4 or PC, just say "we will be moving Dust to a newer platform, how quick that happens depends on several factors". That's about a noncommittal as you can get and people would sport wood for days.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2567	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:44:00 - [24] - Quote Thats the point, CCP don't want noncommittal, they want committed. Thats why they won't confirm anything now until its solid. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 711	Posted - 2015.03.25 12:58:00 - [25] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Thats the point, CCP don't want noncommittal, they want committed. Thats why they won't confirm anything now until its solid. Fair enough, but it would be nice if they acknowledged the competition and made some sort of general commitment to beating them. Last year's Fanfest trailer, with merc boarding parties/defenders, might happen in Star Citizen before it happens in New Eden...in early 2017. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3687	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:09:00 - [26] - Quote WHERE ARE PICS OF YOUR COSPLAY OMG IS IS A DERPSUIT?! "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Requin Toblat Glitched Connection 41	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:19:00 - [27] - Quote Last year at the time of the Rouge Wedding I asked one of the senior Dust team, that is no longer there, if Legion was going to be made using UE4, especially considering what CCP Newcastle had managed to do with it on EVE VR/Valkyrie. The answer I got was that basically they weren't even thinking about it, as they were very happy with their heavily modified UE3 engine. I did follow this up as my jaw was broken after my chin hitting the floor at the shortsightedness of this statement, regardless of which platform the IP moved to in the future.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2570	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:21:00 - [28] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: WHERE ARE PICS OF YOUR COSPLAY OMG IS IS A DERPSUIT?! Here Here Here I need to start jogging again..... CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4388	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:25:00 - [29] - Quote Anyone have a TLDR of that interview? Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2575	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:01:00 - [30] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Anyone have a TLDR of that interview? Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 I talk a hell of a lot. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com



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