please, make your next purchase Reading Comprehension Operation I.

What he SAID was 'do you really expect pilots to dual[sic] AV which can pop HAV with no hardener in just a clip?

Which means simply that 'AV can take HAVs out in a single clip, and that since you can prevent that eventuality, only a moron engages when that's a possibility.'

Please, never make me defend Taka again.

Yeah we cried so long for them to get nerfed we had to deal with triple rep madrugers for months, then nearly invincible gunnlogis for months, then completely invincible rep/hardener madrugers in this update. I guess we can keep bitching though, since you still dont have a button that just kills everything on the map yet. Maybe you guys will finally think its balanced once hotfix freddy comes out and that module gets implemented.

Meanwhile tankers still have the gall to sit there and imply that AV is overpowered, when it never has been as long as I've been playing. Always with you its: well you just have to use proto swarms, well you just need to use a min commando, well you just need prof 5, well you just need to hit the weak spot, well you just need to blah blah blah. Its unreal all the contortions you tell everyone else to go through just so you can keep believing tanks are not an absurdly overpowered crutch for cunts to abuse.

mad/10, would rage again.

Then drive a tank and tell us how low-risk it is.
Don't come crying back to the forums when you get blapped by another tank.

Some dropsuit fittings can also deal enough damage in one hit, that activating the hardeners afterwards is pointless. If you decide to engage with hardeners active for "just in case" you will be at a disadvantage as soon as the shielding goes down.

So its safe to say that the whole entirety of the tankers in the game are now hit and run sissies?

Really mate? so my tank ive poured all my sp 35 mill into to get my fittings upgrades, my mods upgraded, and my weapons upgraded shouldn't be hard to kill for a red dot using a weapon that hes put maybe a million sp into? thats like saying a red dot with a militia light should be able to kill a proto sentinel. chances are your running a few different proto suits, so your sp has been spread out, you havnt speced nearly as heavily into a single role as i have into tanks. now if you had speced into a guy meant soly fer av and you couldnt kill tanks id be surprised. dont be P.OED because you took one of your suits, threw a AV weapon on it, and and still cant kill tanks. far as im concerned, if you dont have a cal sent with forge, minmando with swarms, or galmando with PLC, you cant complain because you are not wanting to be av, your wanting to get easy points. if you were really wanting to be a AV style player, you would have speced more heavily into av so you could over power tanks. and btw, y do you think you should have to use a proto AV weapon to kill proto tanks? when you see a proto amarr sent do you run at him with a mh82? and btw, its a team game, using teamwork might help to mate, instead of being another blue dot. run with a sqd, get em all to use av, youll have no issue killing that tank.
EDIT: and really, most of the time if not all the time a tank is not going to stop you from winning, just hack the objective and get links around the area, most objectives are inside buildings or overhead where tanks cant see/get. and one other thing before i sign off, how is a proto tank stomping anything different from a team proto stomping with proto min/amarr assaults and cal scts?ive nvr see a single tank redline a enemy team, but ive sure as hell seen proto stompers redline teams multiple times in a row.

I have min commando, I do use team work, Im using proto AV, armor madrugers are still invincible right now with their hardeners up, gunnlogis are still a huge pain in the ass to kill. Balancing by skill points allocated is completely ******** if one side of an equation does not have the option to sink that many skill points into it.

And yes, when I see a proto amarr sentinel I can and DO run at him with a mh82, and I succeed, because the infantry portion of this game isnt horrendously unbalanced, and unlike the rep/hardener madruger the amarr sentinel can be ******* killed.

"tank is not going to stop you from winning" Wow. Thats funny because Ive seen single tanks effectively win the game for their team just by denying strategic open ground to the enemy team while providing support fire into a bunch of buildings/objective/etc from behind. I see it alot in fact, quite a bit more now that the madruger can literally not be killed by anything less than four proto AV hitting it at exactly the same time.

But its cool, keep pretending tanks are fine so that everyone can tell that you're completely out of touch with what balance looks like.

So its safe to say that the whole entirety of the tankers in the game are now hit and run sissies?

It would be interesting if Breach FGs actually moderately override those hardeners....... By override I mean ignore some of the hardener.....

But 3 ppl can't combat you. One side is invincible the other is not.

If tanks weren't so expensive, tankers might be a bit more brave about it.

Just my advanced fitting is costing 600k.

But yea, at that cost I feel pretty justified at having a thick layer of armor for a little while. And it's not like the infantry scum have any problems dedicating 8 people to AV at once to kill a single tank so I don't see much of a problem.

I mean, god forbid they actually call in their own tank. Why, that would involve actual risk. We simply can't put the plebs in that position.

If tanks weren't so expensive, tankers might be a bit more brave about it.

Just my advanced fitting is costing 600k.

But yea, at that cost I feel pretty justified at having a thick layer of armor for a little while. And it's not like the infantry scum have any problems dedicating 8 people to AV at once to kill a single tank so I don't see much of a problem.

I mean, god forbid they actually call in their own tank. Why, that would involve actual risk. We simply can't put the plebs in that position.

Sadly its cuz you AV guys have cried for so long to get tanks nerfed.. Too bad you don't get a free 150 WP anymore you actually have to work for it. Imagine that, actually having to use teamwork for once.

Kind of ironic coming from the tanker side. What teamwork does tanks need now?

Tanks have always been the best tank hunters, that risk is about the same.

Your risk against AV is at an all time low. You can dip into infantry, hardeners active, blap away, and run away before your hardeners run out with minimal risk. Yeah, you'll be at a disadvantage when your hardeners expire.... big whoop! A tank's speed lets it determine the terms of engagement.

If you really believe that, then go run bush and thatll solve your problem.

This is actually what Rattati was proposing way back with the wave of opportunity--a tank should briefly be able to come in and dominate things before having to withdraw to safety.

That makes for very ****** game play. Because you spawn in as AV and shoot at the tank hopelessly doing nothing. Then the tank runs to the other side of the map and you're stuck there again doing nothing cause there's now nothing to shoot at.

The infantry can also see you coming, and decide not to get into your line of fire. I do that all the time.
You either have to be ignorant of your environment, distracted by enemy suits, or intentionally run in front of a tank to be killed by one.

There is no place on the map, other than the wide open passages, that a tank can try to engage me without my consent. I can deny them any LOS to me just by walking around an object. It's practically like full invincibility vs tanks.

Edit: Risk VS unskilled AV is at a low. Risk VS infantry that actually took the time to put SP into weapons and suits, is still acceptably high. A forge gunner with SP and Skill is a death sentence for even a hardened tank, and high end swarm fits can repel any tank from the combat field.

If you want Militia swarms to be effective against a tank that has 12 different skill sets maxed out, then you are barking up the wrong tree. An AV user with the skills into the Weapon, the Suit, and the assistant Modules, should be a threat to Investment tanks. Someone who just picks up a weapon to spam around, should not.... aside from forge guns, which should be at least somewhat useful as a deterrent even at the basic level, because they require both aim, and a heavy suit.

Consequentially... I also believe that if the tank does not have much investment, that Militia swarms should be of consideration to the pilot. Investment vs Investment should be somewhat on par, even though tanks always have to have 3-4x what AV does.

Stop making silly excuses' for bad game play.

I have min commando, I do use team work, Im using proto AV, armor madrugers are still invincible right now with their hardeners up, gunnlogis are still a huge pain in the ass to kill. Balancing by skill points allocated is completely ******** if one side of an equation does not have the option to sink that many skill points into it.

Straight up, you are talking trash.

Min commando with proto swarms and AV nades can cut through a dual rep maddy with two hardeners on. You just have to get close enough to chuck those grenades instead of sitting on a rooftop 200m away farming +75s.

So many AV bads do exactly that. Sit as far away as they can get a lock and just lob swarms in until they run dry.

Want to fight a tank? Grow some balls first.

It is not bad game play when infantry can now vault to the stars and have tons of buildings from which to fire down from with impunity. Swarms have been buffed to hell as is. They are stronger than they have been or ever were. Still this AV b*tching? When will it end.

You are not using the game mechanics to your advantage. You will not get your easy mode now so deal with it.

All tankers ever asked for was for a tank to be a goddam tank!

Commandos cant use AV nades, and from 200 meters you can't get a lock. 2 hardeners = 74.76% reduction in damage. with a double damage modded level 5 minmando and a proficiency 5 swarm launcher, it does 2072 damage to armour. Those 2 Hardeners are reducing the damage dealt by 1549. So it can rep through the damage it receives from any single swarmer. Even 2 minmandos would have trouble with that. A part of me thinks you havent played in a while if you dont know this stuff already.