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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:39:00 -
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In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:46:00 -
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Couldn't agree more.
Knowing that CCP Shanghai's focus is now being split between a VR Mobile Game, a PC FPS experience, and a console FPS experience I find it difficult to have faith that the monetary and time investment that I put into Dust 514 will have any long term impact or presence.
This is especially true since CCP hasn't communicated any sort of long term goals or plans for Dust beyond the PS3 since they went dark on Legion.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:51:00 -
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It's very sad but I fear that it's also very true.
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:53:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:
This is especially true since CCP hasn't communicated any sort of long term goals or plans for Dust beyond the PS3 since they went dark on Legion.
This toon isn't believing anything CCP has to say about future developments...
(except what the Rat has to say)
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:55:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years.
I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over.
Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing.
On PC they already have 10s of thousands of loyal followers and direct access to 10s of thousands more who have signed up for an Eve trial. They tried to go to console because they wanted to draw money out of more people instead of dividing up a set base but that has proven to be a failed experiment. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:10:00 -
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This is CCP.
They spend more time working out what base the Nyx model should have before going 'no base it will hover'
Disclaimer:
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CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
CCP said something similar to WoD.
Those words for Legion makes it seem like its cancelled already or they are thinking about doing it.
Clearly, Legion was suppose to be a Dust replacement; saying they don't really know what to do with it makes it seem they changed focus.
CCP has more projects that probably won't get anywhere. First quarter of last year they lost money ; it seems it might happen again with the more projects they are doing |
Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:15:00 -
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If it ports to ps4 I'll probably play it but idk if I'd want this on my laptop.. In the meantime I'll stick with Xboning
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:32:00 -
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I am not so certain that going to PS4 would double the amount of people playing. You still have the same issues that have stopped DUST from having a huge community even though there are a lot of PS3's out there. At least going to the PC you could tap into the market of people that are already interested in New Eden; EVE players.
Either way, CCP needs to let us know stuff. The CPM likely has some information in regard to Legion that is under NDA (not the CPM's fault) or just general things with DUST that would probably be really helpful for the community to know. The fact that there has been nothing in regards to Legion, not even "we are not sure if we want to move forward on it", on the forums for a year is sad. Having to wait an entire year to hear "it is still a thing; we have no comment at this time" is frankly insulting to the customers, especially when CCP continues to promote Aurum sales. Also, it is really bad form to say "we are working on a new Project!" when one Project that is supposed to be what DUST 'was meant to be' is completely MIA and DUST is in a fairly sorry state.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Powerh8er
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:55:00 -
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I rather play fetch with a polarbear, using my own torn off right arm as a stick, than play dust right now.
So unless their plans include making dust fun again, not just for circlejerking forum warriors, I really dont care what goes on that godforsaken Island.
I really hope Iceland soon finds that oil outside their coast so they can finally kill this neverending betagame and they can get some real jobs.
Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
677
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:09:00 -
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It would be super swell if Hilmar just laid it out.
A. "We are talking to Sony about a PS4 upgrade."
B. "If we put Dust on a computer, we can get great graphics and fps, and we could call it Legion, but as you can see from last year's video, you're still running around in a Caldari Scout with an Assault Rail Rifle, so it's basically Dust 514."
C. "We had some designers who thought they could get away with some character wipes if we changed the name of the game and made the skill tree more accessible. I had to veto that weak sauce."
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Kuruld Sengar
B.O.S.S.GD
269
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:13:00 -
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Keep in mind that legion does not replace dust in the lore. They are two very different parts of the EVE universe, and they can easily exist in parallel. |
VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:14:00 -
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What they should say is "we really need to focus on Valkyrie because it's better."
I'd rather look bad winning, than look good losing.
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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:18:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
By your logic I can't own a car and a motorcycle at the same time...
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning
I am Havok, Incorruptible
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:34:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. By your logic I can't own a car and a motorcycle at the same time... I can't have both bacon and eggs on my plate... Peanut butter and jelly is out on one sandwich... Silly arguments are silly.
A more accurate analogy for the OP's logic would be that you can't drive a car and a motorcycle at the same time. Owning vehicle doesn't require any sort of action or resources. Developing Dust or legion would each require a certain amount of both. Much like actively driving a car or motorcycle.
That said, you can totally eat bacon and eggs at the same time. But all analogies fail at some point.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
524
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:48:00 -
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
547
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Posted - 2015.03.19 21:15:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
Thank you very much for posting this! It really shines some light on the darkness that CCPs management is.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
1106
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Posted - 2015.03.19 21:33:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
Finaly
Just put full power to development of Dust and end of story.
When dust514 will be finished with all implementations etc. just make Ps4 cover and job is finished.
I was already sick and tired by all that legion nonsence.
"Sebiestor Hetzer"
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:30:00 -
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Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2.
This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!"
Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4784
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:33:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan.
Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC.
Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:51:00 -
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I don't want to be pessimistic and say that you are right. Instead, I will simply say you are not wrong.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:52:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC.
Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture.
Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What?
PCs last you far longer than any console would. Claiming otherwise is just ignorance. You can upgrade a PC's hardware at a whim. My own gaming PC that I built about 10 years ago has been upgraded twice and still runs most of my games on High, although I plan to build a new one around the time Witcher 3 comes out.
Even the newest consoles that come out usually end up using the hardware of yesteryear because it's economically more feasible to mass produce consoles with dated hardware. The supposed "next gen" graphics that the PS4 and XBone offered were achieved by PCs 3-4 years prior. Like, the PS3 has 512MB of available RAM (256 system, 256 video) and debuted in 2006. 512MB of RAM was considered good in 1998.
All things considered, the majority of developers are still choosing the PC as their preferred platform (Source). On top of that, CCP would not have to go through Sony to release updates and hot fixes. We could have WEEKLY updates instead of bi-monthly because of how cumbersome the Sony QA process is.
And, cross-platforming PC players with Consolites would be a recipe for disaster. Assuming the PC version would offer Raw Input, competitive PC FPS players would make jelly out of any scrub using a controller. I play M/KB with DUST's horrible input and still find 99% of players I face are worse than Bronze-league CS:GO players. In DUST I can manage a 20+ K/D consistently (check my stream highlights). On PC, I'm considered mediocre and am lucky to manage a 3+ K/D.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:55:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Couldn't agree more.
Knowing that CCP Shanghai's focus is now being split between a VR Mobile Game, a PC FPS experience, and a console FPS experience I find it difficult to have faith that the monetary and time investment that I put into Dust 514 will have any long term impact or presence.
This is especially true since CCP hasn't communicated any sort of long term goals or plans for Dust beyond the PS3 since they went dark on Legion.
Pretty much my thoughts on this.. As I said in the other thread, the community has an overwhelming sense of frustration because their fate is largely out of their control and there's nothing that we can do to change the fact that CCP will never seem to be ready to tell us anything. Without that reciprocation of communication (communication is a two-way street, you can't just say you're listening and expect everything to be okay) then the playerbase is simply left to their own devices and to draw their own conclusions.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
22939
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:58:00 -
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Of course, a competent move like this would never happen.
Gallente Guide
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
22941
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:04:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:
Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What?
-snip-
Honestly, I've changed PCs three times since getting my PS3.
Gallente Guide
RIP MAG - Raven vet
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xavier zor
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1046
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:10:00 -
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YEAH, stick with dust! Us players may not be playing now, but we shall return!
well, i am really just trying EVE out
retired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGOuOaObVA<---KingThunderBolt fail montage
meh
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
2927
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:12:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:
Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What?
-snip-
Honestly, I've changed PCs three times since getting my PS3.
Good for you. You likely bought them pre-built and didn't consider upgrading for whatever reasons.
I built mine in 2007 and since then have added more RAM and upgraded graphics card and it still runs like new and can play any modern game on High with a few poorly optimized exceptions.
The fact that you bought 3 new computers doesn't mean consoles last longer, it just means you lack the knowledge to properly acquire/build something that'll last you.
All things considered, I stopped playing DUST because I couldn't handle playing below 30 FPS on a shooter anymore. That wouldn't be a problem on PC where you can either (a) upgrade your hardware or (b) put graphics on Low and optimize config files and such. You can't do these things on consoles. What you're given is what you get, and that drives a lot of people away. Think of how many players quit DUST after a day because if how poorly it ran when it came out, or how many competitive Planetary Conquest players/corps quit because of the horrible lag. All the early reviews of DUST talk about it, and it's never been fixed in nearly two years.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9261
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:12:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:
Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What?
-snip-
Honestly, I've changed PCs three times since getting my PS3.
I've changed PCs once and it was a brand new rig, upgrading from my 5-year old powerhouse that survived since Battlefield 2. I dunno, I work very hard to keep my PC running and always work to fix my own problems instead of just replacing parts or buying a new one.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Balistyc Farshot
The Exemplars
110
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:21:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years. I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over. Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing. On PC they already have 10s of thousands of loyal followers and direct access to 10s of thousands more who have signed up for an Eve trial. They tried to go to console because they wanted to draw money out of more people instead of dividing up a set base but that has proven to be a failed experiment.
Here is the thing. The PS4 made a IFrame/Citrix style viewer that allows for fixed inputs to a virtual desktop to run the games. That is why Planetside2 is going to PS4 so fast. Xbox will follow suit because it opens the world for systems to interact with PC players. They would need to tune up their game and get a FPS to interact with a PC based space game. That interaction is what really could drive things. They just need to figure out the economy and interactions.
They just need to shoot Legion. It is dead and never could compete. What is the hook?
Now to start shotgunning and REing again, everyone will love this play style. Face Palm!
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
751
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:55:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan. Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC. Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture.
I had not even thought about this. Good call Kain. There is a lot that could be done there.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9265
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:00:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan. Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC. Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture. I had not even thought about this. Good call Kain. There is a lot that could be done there.
As hopeful as I am about that there is one critical advantage PC has over PS4 and that is hardware. On PC they could completely change engines five years down the line, completely overhaul the graphics, do whatever they had to do to keep up with current gaming standards. That's an advantage that is lost on the PS4 as it is permanently limited by hardware until the "next gen" comes out.
This isn't even touching on the fact that they'd have to go through Sony for every single client update and it would slow patches.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5838
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One way or the other, you guys need to say something.
It doesn't matter what it is, just something.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
7462
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:08:00 -
[33] - Quote
Le nope, Legion needs to happen or dust needs to get rebuilt from the ground up.
CBM
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T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
509
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:15:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2739
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:16:00 -
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Dust on PS3 won't go anywhere. The hardware is just too outdated for them to do what they want.
Valkyrie just has too stiff of competition with Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous out there already in one form or another. Its a dead end. Especially Star Citizen. That game has a megacult, and it is still in fairly early development and it looks so good.
Legion on PC will just have too stiff of competition with, again, Star Citizen. Also, as much as everyone says FPSs are better on PC, they just aren't. Hackers completely ruin it unless you have rediculous security measures.
I don't care what you say about "FPSs were designed for MKB" bullcrap. It sucks. Unless it is Counter Strike, FPSs are just better on Consoles.
The only place for them to logically go is Dust on PS4.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2739
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:18:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan. Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC. Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture. I had not even thought about this. Good call Kain. There is a lot that could be done there. As hopeful as I am about that there is one critical advantage PC has over PS4 and that is hardware. On PC they could completely change engines five years down the line, completely overhaul the graphics, do whatever they had to do to keep up with current gaming standards. That's an advantage that is lost on the PS4 as it is permanently limited by hardware until the "next gen" comes out. This isn't even touching on the fact that they'd have to go through Sony for every single client update and it would slow patches.
They already have a deal with Sony where they don't have to approve every client update. I bet they could get the same deal to extend to PS4...
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
1024
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:29:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC.
Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture. Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What? PCs last you far longer than any console would. Claiming otherwise is just ignorance. You can upgrade a PC's hardware at a whim. My own gaming PC that I built about 10 years ago has been upgraded twice and still runs most of my games on High, although I plan to build a new one around the time Witcher 3 comes out. Even the newest consoles that come out usually end up using the hardware of yesteryear because it's economically more feasible to mass produce consoles with dated hardware. The supposed "next gen" graphics that the PS4 and XBone offered were achieved by PCs 3-4 years prior. Like, the PS3 has 512MB of available RAM (256 system, 256 video) and debuted in 2006. 512MB of RAM was considered good in 1998. All things considered, the majority of developers are still choosing the PC as their preferred platform ( Source). On top of that, CCP would not have to go through Sony to release updates and hot fixes. We could have WEEKLY updates instead of bi-monthly because of how cumbersome the Sony QA process is. And, cross-platforming PC players with Consolites would be a recipe for disaster. Assuming the PC version would offer Raw Input, competitive PC FPS players would make jelly out of any scrub using a controller. I play M/KB with DUST's horrible input and still find 99% of players I face are worse than Bronze-league CS:GO players. In DUST I can manage a 20+ K/D consistently (check my stream highlights). On PC, I'm considered mediocre and am lucky to manage a 3+ K/D. so just go PC and f*ck everything?
framerate>everything else
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
1219
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:55:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan. Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC. Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture. I had not even thought about this. Good call Kain. There is a lot that could be done there. As hopeful as I am about that there is one critical advantage PC has over PS4 and that is hardware. On PC they could completely change engines five years down the line, completely overhaul the graphics, do whatever they had to do to keep up with current gaming standards. That's an advantage that is lost on the PS4 as it is permanently limited by hardware until the "next gen" comes out. This isn't even touching on the fact that they'd have to go through Sony for every single client update and it would slow patches.
Doesn't the PS4 abandoned the need of Sony's approval for patches or anything downloadable? I heard about it somewhere and the huge inflix of Indie game on the PS4 seems to support that statement.
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STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
471
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:14:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan. Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC. Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture.
We are beta testing Legion right now. 
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2392
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:23:00 -
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Porting to ps4 as a f2p would be a right move. Under the condition to have a solid netcode, gameplay balance and nesw player experience. Stuff we ve asked since closed beta and were never nailed by ccp. Also, a PVE experience is something that draws masses in a fps, look at zombie modes.
Again, was always shrugged off by ccp as it being a main thing to add. Despite the fact that the 2 most interesting dev they had had fuckin brilliant ideas to pair a simple PVE to bigger game mechanics such as PC and resource harvesting.
The main issue was and always is a terrible lack of perspective from higher management.
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2392
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:25:00 -
[41] - Quote
STYLIE77 wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan. Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC. Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture. We are beta testing Legion right now.
That wouldnt even begin to make things right. I d even say it s worse if it s known by ccp but untold.
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D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
261
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Posted - 2015.03.20 02:00:00 -
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lmao i did not see this VR sh*t coming. Glad to see CCP training that prof 5 trolling.
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2015.03.20 02:58:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years. I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over. Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing. On PC they already have 10s of thousands of loyal followers and direct access to 10s of thousands more who have signed up for an Eve trial. They tried to go to console because they wanted to draw money out of more people instead of dividing up a set base but that has proven to be a failed experiment.
CCP Didn't build DUST to duplicate it's EVE population in a PC FPS market.
The entire reason DUST exists is to expose gamers to the New Eden galaxy that liked the concept but didn't full get along with EVE.
If CCP Wants to expand their playerbase beyond the hardcore MMO market.... Building a F2P shooter on the console was exactly the kind of product that nearly every gamer could grasp.
Regardless of what anyone thinks... Legion would never get ported to the PS4.. Developing for PC and console in unison is to costly... And doesn't make any sense.
DUST 514 will be ported to the PS4 in 2016... It is as simple as 1+ 1 = 2/ |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5407
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Posted - 2015.03.20 03:02:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years.
Is that supposed to be sarcasm? Because they haven't been. I once ratted out over a dozen accounts who were actively botting and not a single one of them got a ban. This wasn't a blind accusation either -- I personally knew the people doing it. That's how inefficient they are.
Furthermore, legit hacking in EVE requires changing the data the server is getting. Hacking in an FPS simply requires a secondary program to recognize objects rendered and control where your screen centers. It is ridiculously easy to hack an FPS and that is why every FPS has hacks provided.
Server side stat hacking is a totally different beast.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
752
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Posted - 2015.03.20 07:22:00 -
[45] - Quote
Well it is silly to assume so much about what projects are going to continue where. World of Darkness proved that.
But as far as PC vs PS4 tick is concerned...the ps4 hardware is more than capable of doing what CCP wants for Dust and then some. Sure PCs have more hardware power -- but they are also bogged down by software. Consoles are heavily optimized. They run on significantly less resources and can use their hardware far more efficiently than PCs. That's why consoles are able to punch above their hardware weight when it comes to games. |
Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4794
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Posted - 2015.03.20 08:42:00 -
[46] - Quote
I really find the debate between PS4 and PC silly. It's just as silly as when CCP hatched the idea for Legion on PC because of PC "DNA".
Dust 514 is on PS3 here and now. It has a console community HERE and NOW. The obvious and easy solution is to make plans and publicly voice those plans to port it to the PS4 and not abandon the console community that has allowed Dust 514 to survive to this point.
The best option of all would be to allow PS3/PS4 crossplay for a duration and then sunset that crossplay as Dust's feature set goes beyond what the PS3 can handle.
Players knowing that CCP is even making plans to bring this game to next gen would greatly increase sales here and now. Quite simply CCP providing faith to the community that this game will continue in the long term would be a self-fulfilling prophecy as people become more willing to invest their time and money in something that they feel will continue beyond the PS3.
The faith in CCP that this game will live beyond the PS3 and be loyal to the community that built up this game was stolen by Legion. That faith needs to be returned.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
551
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Posted - 2015.03.20 08:47:00 -
[47] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:
The main issue was and always is a terrible lack of perspective from higher management.
This sums it up perfectly!
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2392
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Posted - 2015.03.20 08:52:00 -
[48] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:I really find the debate between PS4 and PC silly. It's just as silly as when CCP hatched the idea for Legion on PC because of PC "DNA".
Dust 514 is on PS3 here and now. It has a console community HERE and NOW. The obvious and easy solution is to make plans and publicly voice those plans to port it to the PS4 and not abandon the console community that has allowed Dust 514 to survive to this point.
The best option of all would be to allow PS3/PS4 crossplay for a duration and then sunset that crossplay as Dust's feature set goes beyond what the PS3 can handle.
Players knowing that CCP is even making plans to bring this game to next gen would greatly increase sales here and now. Quite simply CCP providing faith to the community that this game will continue in the long term would be a self-fulfilling prophecy as people become more willing to invest their time and money in something that they feel will continue beyond the PS3.
The faith in CCP that this game will live beyond the PS3 and be loyal to the community that built up this game was stolen by Legion. That faith needs to be returned.
PS3/PS4 "cross play" or co-developing has made Destiny an underwhelming game.
Either go PS4, take the time to go HD on Dust, and dust (pardon the pun) some basic FPS mecanics. Like scrubbing tiers off, reviewing freakin Aim Assist, Hit detection. Well anything that makes a FPS .....a FPS.
It's been that easy of a plan for 3 years now. And nothing ever was done right.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4795
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Posted - 2015.03.20 09:11:00 -
[49] - Quote
The thing is Caz by making Dust 514 cross play you allow it to maintain one of its strongest anchors: its social and its community.
As CCP Rattati said during the panel today Dust is made up of 50% new players and 50% people that just won't leave. Give them the opportunity to stay and give them time to transition to PS4.
Crossplay would also make perfect sense for the transitional period we are right now. You can already see crossplay games that are wildly popular like Helldivers : http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/03/03/helldivers-launches-today-for-ps4-ps3-ps-vita/
CCP will need time to build out features that put Dust 514 beyond the reach of the PS3's capabilities. While those are being developed allow them to capitalize on income streams from both the PS3 and PS4 communities. CCP could also do with a community and good faith victory that transitioning fully to next gen over time would provide.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5414
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Posted - 2015.03.20 10:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
My only hands on experience with PS3/PS4 crossplay has been Guilty Gear Xrd and it was a flawless experience.
It can be done. It is a very viable thing, and it would do this game a lot of justice.
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5840
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:23:00 -
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JJ'S wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years. I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over. Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing. On PC they already have 10s of thousands of loyal followers and direct access to 10s of thousands more who have signed up for an Eve trial. They tried to go to console because they wanted to draw money out of more people instead of dividing up a set base but that has proven to be a failed experiment. CCP Didn't build DUST to duplicate it's EVE population in a PC FPS market. The entire reason DUST exists is to expose gamers to the New Eden galaxy that liked the concept but didn't full get along with EVE. If CCP Wants to expand their playerbase beyond the hardcore MMO market.... Building a F2P shooter on the console was exactly the kind of product that nearly every gamer could grasp. Regardless of what anyone thinks... Legion would never get ported to the PS4.. Developing for PC and console in unison is to costly... And doesn't make any sense. DUST 514 will be ported to the PS4 in 2016... It is as simple as 1+ 1 = 2/
It's so nice to see people who actually remember the core purpose behind Dust 514.
I loved the concept of this game from the start because it was a massive "**** YOU" to that whole PC Master Race bullshit. We all play games because we like games, and our hardware doesn't really matter in the long run aside from what games it allows us to play. Spending $800+ dollars on a mid-range or $2000+ dollars on a top-tier gaming PC doesn't mean you won at life.
Like I've been saying in the YouTube comments (pissing in an ocean of ****, I know) on the EVE: Valkyrie video:
Why can't we all just enjoy games and stop fighting over stupid ****?
I want Dust 514/Legion to stay exclusive to PSN because in that way it keeps with the vision of the original game and makes an important step toward bringing "console gamers" and "PC gamers" together in their mutual love of games.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
2060
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:
I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over.
Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing.
free to play title do not have to compete with AAA and they do not. free to play titles currently run very well on ps4 btw
and there is no need to rebuild dust at all, it runs on unreal engine which also runs on ps4 just fine. |
Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
552
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:36:00 -
[53] - Quote
And the biggest future competitor, will soak up quite a lot of fps/spacesim interested gamers from the PC market...
PS4 makes more sense, though only if the fundamental flaws of Dust are ironed out, which are NPE and dullness of gamemodes. |
Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5842
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:53:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:And the biggest future competitor, will soak up quite a lot of fps/spacesim interested gamers from the PC market...
PS4 makes more sense, though only if the fundamental flaws of Dust are ironed out, which are NPE and dullness of gamemodes.
Honestly, I think that's actually a good thing to keep in mind.
The "PC MASTER RACE **** CONSOLE SCRUBS" crowd all has a REALLY obvious target now, so we can leave them to that game, and the rest of us can be filthy casuals and just have this crazy thing called "fun".
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Laurent Cazaderon
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Kain Spero wrote:The thing is Caz by making Dust 514 cross play you allow it to maintain one of its strongest anchors: its social and its community. As CCP Rattati said during the panel today Dust is made up of 50% new players and 50% people that just won't leave. Give them the opportunity to stay and give them time to transition to PS4. Crossplay would also make perfect sense for the transitional period we are in right now. You can already see crossplay games that are wildly popular like Helldivers : http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/03/03/helldivers-launches-today-for-ps4-ps3-ps-vita/CCP will need time to build out features that put Dust 514 beyond the reach of the PS3's capabilities. While those are being developed allow them to capitalize on income streams from both the PS3 and PS4 communities. CCP could also do with a community and good faith victory that transitioning fully to next gen over time would provide.
Except you need a solid game to make this happend. RLZ Dust as is on PS4 and i guarantee you'll get no players out of the PS4 player base.
Again the port to PS4 makes sense in the big picture, but tbh i m pretty convinced it's way too late for that. Dust should have gone dark 2 years ago when head development should have noticed this was going nowhere. And then re-think the choice of the PS3 as platform and basic gameplay mecanics (such as tiers and game modes. Or Tiers vs Game modes depending on your POV)
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Himiko Kuronaga
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Kain Spero wrote:The thing is Caz by making Dust 514 cross play you allow it to maintain one of its strongest anchors: its social and its community. As CCP Rattati said during the panel today Dust is made up of 50% new players and 50% people that just won't leave. Give them the opportunity to stay and give them time to transition to PS4. Crossplay would also make perfect sense for the transitional period we are in right now. You can already see crossplay games that are wildly popular like Helldivers : http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/03/03/helldivers-launches-today-for-ps4-ps3-ps-vita/CCP will need time to build out features that put Dust 514 beyond the reach of the PS3's capabilities. While those are being developed allow them to capitalize on income streams from both the PS3 and PS4 communities. CCP could also do with a community and good faith victory that transitioning fully to next gen over time would provide. Except you need a solid game to make this happend. RLZ Dust as is on PS4 and i guarantee you'll get no players out of the PS4 player base. Again the port to PS4 makes sense in the big picture, but tbh i m pretty convinced it's way too late for that. Dust should have gone dark 2 years ago when head development should have noticed this was going nowhere. And then re-think the choice of the PS3 as platform and basic gameplay mecanics (such as tiers and game modes. Or Tiers vs Game modes depending on your POV) I know i'm preaching to the choir here as you have been a big supporter of the "Go FF XIV move" at some point
Define "as is".
Higher quality textures, shaders, and effects are available and ready for use. The PS3 just can't handle them. Performance would also increase to the point we could manage 60 fps which would make an insane gameplay difference.
PS4 specific modes could also drastically player count in matches. Another major gameplay difference.
You're saying if it was released "as is" nobody would play it on PS4. But that's blind pessimism at best. If people are willing to play the game in the current state that its in, they are also going to be willing to play it in a better state.
The game doesn't need a complete reboot. It just needs to be built in a modular fashion. Expanding to PS4 will allow it to do that, and eventually PS3 can be phased out. PS3 can simply maintain the game modes it has now while PS4 can get the new stuff it can't handle.
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Kain Spero
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
You're saying if it was released "as is" nobody would play it on PS4. But that's blind pessimism at best. If people are willing to play the game in the current state that its in, they are also going to be willing to play it in a better state.
Have to strongly agree with this sentiment.
We need to get out of our own ways and allow Dust to go next gen and live beyond the PS3.
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Luk Manag
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The goal for Valkyrie is apparently competitive PvP. That is the "razor" that cuts through all of the other features (but it still has a campaign?).
In my opinion, they would need to scrap the Unreal engine and rebuild on their original engine or license a modern FPS engine to achieve mass appeal in a competitive FPS.
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Himiko Kuronaga
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Luk Manag wrote:The goal for Valkyrie is apparently competitive PvP. That is the "razor" that cuts through all of the other features (but it still has a campaign?).
In my opinion, they would need to scrap the Unreal engine and rebuild on their original engine or license a modern FPS engine to achieve mass appeal in a competitive FPS.
Their original engine is bad. It never worked properly and was never meant for Dust. That was a marketing miscommunication.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
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Luk Manag wrote:The goal for Valkyrie is apparently competitive PvP. That is the "razor" that cuts through all of the other features (but it still has a campaign?).
In my opinion, they would need to scrap the Unreal engine and rebuild on their original engine or license a modern FPS engine to achieve mass appeal in a competitive FPS.
Unreal Engine 4.7 is now free, so no licensing required, just a percentage of the profits. I've been playing around with it and it's quite fun, but it also makes me realise the horrendous work they have ahead of them if they do want to port it to ps4.... good luck redoing all those meshes and textures.. woo! |
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Forlorn Destrier
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First Prophet wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. By your logic I can't own a car and a motorcycle at the same time... I can't have both bacon and eggs on my plate... Peanut butter and jelly is out on one sandwich... Silly arguments are silly. A more accurate analogy for the OP's logic would be that you can't drive a car and a motorcycle at the same time. Owning vehicle doesn't require any sort of action or resources. Developing Dust or legion would each require a certain amount of both. Much like actively driving a car or motorcycle. That said, you can totally eat bacon and eggs at the same time. But all analogies fail at some point.
If you were talking about PLAYING the game, then you would be right. But we're not, are we? We are talking about CCP developing more than one similar game at the same time. There is no reason they can't develop both at one time, and arguing that this is not possible is a stupid argument.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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I think what OP was trying to say was you can not continue to string people along on the idea of both games. At some point you really have to make a decision and tell people what that decision is.
Maybe if they had not blown millions of dollars and thousands of man hours chasing a trend that is going to be mediocre at best they could have made a decision by now. VR is not going to make it big and all of that time and money is going to end up a tax write off just like WoD. |
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
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Himiko Kuronaga
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Dust is now profitable, apparently.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/20/8263823/playstation-3-exclusive-dust-514-is-now-a-profitable-game-for-ccp
Looks like Hilmar may well be considering it now, though he's not ready to pull the trigger yet. We should be pushing for PS4 development to start and, at the very least, for Rattati to get more resources.
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Mobius Wyvern
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Amen to that.
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Derpty Derp
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Simple solution... Merge the two together, since they were the same thing to begin with.
Put the stuff everyone wanted in Dust, that was moved to being planned for Legion, back into Dust and put Dust on a more 'future-proof' platform(s.)
Take it as far as you can on PS3, while putting together the next "Big update" that will require better hardware.
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Himiko Kuronaga
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:41:00 -
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They weren't the same thing. Legion was meant to succeed Dust, yes. But Legion was an attempt to take Dust and turn it into a different (mechanically worse) game.
So while assets should be taken from Legion, the concept should stay dead and buried. Particularly the skill tree and item destruction concepts that CCP Z came up with, which were horrifyingly bad and would ruin the game overnight.
The sandboxy stuff I'm not altogether against as long as it exists as a side-thing.
And PC is an absolute no. Hackers are a pox to competitive gaming and CCP simply does not have the capability to combat them in an FPS.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Hackers are a pox to competitive gaming and CCP simply does not have the capability to combat them in an FPS.
Yea because CCP has not been dealing with security in a PC game for roughly 12 years now.
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Himiko Kuronaga
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Hackers are a pox to competitive gaming and CCP simply does not have the capability to combat them in an FPS. Yea because CCP has not been dealing with security in a PC game for roughly 12 years now.
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years. Is that supposed to be sarcasm? Because they haven't been. I once ratted out over a dozen accounts who were actively botting and not a single one of them got a ban. This wasn't a blind accusation either -- I personally knew the people doing it. That's how inefficient they are. Furthermore, legit hacking in EVE requires changing the data the server is getting. Hacking in an FPS simply requires a secondary program to recognize objects rendered and control where your screen centers. It is ridiculously easy to hack an FPS and that is why every FPS has hacks provided. Server side stat hacking is a totally different beast.
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Funkmaster Whale
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I think your whole argument of "hackers hack FPS games thus it shouldn't be made for PC" is just ridiculous. Yes, hackers have been an issue since the dawn of gaming, but the majority of competitive FPS games have kept up with security. It's a constant tug-o-war, but hackers are typically less than 1% of the community.
Games like CS:GO, Battlefield, Call of Duty, all have their hackers as well as their ban waves and these serve nothing but to give more profit to these games because hackers will often buy a game again on a separate account after they've been banned. The systems used (VAC, EasyAntiCheat, Battleye, Warden, etc.) are all constantly updated and catch every hacker eventually.
And you have to think that in DUST progression is based on skill points which is based on time. If a hacker wants to burn a bunch of 500,000 SP accounts to have his perverted version of fun, then have at it. Any idiot who would risk his 10+ million SP for a chance at some free headshots will get his due accordingly. There's very, very few games where hackers got to the point where it broke the game.
Please, if you're going to try and make an argument against the PC, at least make it a good one.
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Himiko Kuronaga
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:I think your whole argument of "hackers hack FPS games thus it shouldn't be made for PC" is just ridiculous. Yes, hackers have been an issue since the dawn of gaming, but the majority of competitive FPS games have kept up with security. It's a constant tug-o-war, but hackers are typically less than 1% of the community.
Games like CS:GO, Battlefield, Call of Duty, all have their hackers as well as their ban waves and these serve nothing but to give more profit to these games because hackers will often buy a game again on a separate account after they've been banned. The systems used (VAC, EasyAntiCheat, Battleye, Warden, etc.) are all constantly updated and catch every hacker eventually.
And you have to think that in DUST progression is based on skill points which is based on time. If a hacker wants to burn a bunch of 500,000 SP accounts to have his perverted version of fun, then have at it. Any idiot who would risk his 10+ million SP for a chance at some free headshots will get his due accordingly. There's very, very few games where hackers got to the point where it broke the game.
Please, if you're going to try and make an argument against the PC, at least make it a good one.
Hackers are not a problem for consoles. Not in general. Incredibly rare. I've seen it once in Dust ever, and it was hilarious. Guy was punching people across the map.
You look at FPS on PC with the lens of unrealistic virtue. Not going to work with me, I'm a PC gamer too. PC problems can stay in PC land. There is zero benefit to subjecting our game to it.
So let's say I'm a hacker, but I'm not hacking for progression. I'm hacking purely to ruin your experience. What the hell are you going to do to stop me? The game is free, accounts are free, I can change my IP anytime I want. There is no punishment.
You can do nothing. CCP can do nothing.
Understand the problem yet?
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