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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:39:00 -
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In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:46:00 -
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Couldn't agree more.
Knowing that CCP Shanghai's focus is now being split between a VR Mobile Game, a PC FPS experience, and a console FPS experience I find it difficult to have faith that the monetary and time investment that I put into Dust 514 will have any long term impact or presence.
This is especially true since CCP hasn't communicated any sort of long term goals or plans for Dust beyond the PS3 since they went dark on Legion.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
3251
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:51:00 -
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It's very sad but I fear that it's also very true.
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
544
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:53:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote: This is especially true since CCP hasn't communicated any sort of long term goals or plans for Dust beyond the PS3 since they went dark on Legion.
This toon isn't believing anything CCP has to say about future developments...
(except what the Rat has to say)
Soon tm is just a big troll, and the sooner you accept that the better. |
LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
295
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:55:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years.
I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over.
Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing.
On PC they already have 10s of thousands of loyal followers and direct access to 10s of thousands more who have signed up for an Eve trial. They tried to go to console because they wanted to draw money out of more people instead of dividing up a set base but that has proven to be a failed experiment. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4313
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:10:00 -
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This is CCP.
They spend more time working out what base the Nyx model should have before going 'no base it will hover'
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
CCP said something similar to WoD.
Those words for Legion makes it seem like its cancelled already or they are thinking about doing it.
Clearly, Legion was suppose to be a Dust replacement; saying they don't really know what to do with it makes it seem they changed focus.
CCP has more projects that probably won't get anywhere. First quarter of last year they lost money ; it seems it might happen again with the more projects they are doing |
Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
4965
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:15:00 -
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If it ports to ps4 I'll probably play it but idk if I'd want this on my laptop.. In the meantime I'll stick with Xboning
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
3456
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:32:00 -
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I am not so certain that going to PS4 would double the amount of people playing. You still have the same issues that have stopped DUST from having a huge community even though there are a lot of PS3's out there. At least going to the PC you could tap into the market of people that are already interested in New Eden; EVE players.
Either way, CCP needs to let us know stuff. The CPM likely has some information in regard to Legion that is under NDA (not the CPM's fault) or just general things with DUST that would probably be really helpful for the community to know. The fact that there has been nothing in regards to Legion, not even "we are not sure if we want to move forward on it", on the forums for a year is sad. Having to wait an entire year to hear "it is still a thing; we have no comment at this time" is frankly insulting to the customers, especially when CCP continues to promote Aurum sales. Also, it is really bad form to say "we are working on a new Project!" when one Project that is supposed to be what DUST 'was meant to be' is completely MIA and DUST is in a fairly sorry state.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Powerh8er
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
700
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:55:00 -
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I rather play fetch with a polarbear, using my own torn off right arm as a stick, than play dust right now. So unless their plans include making dust fun again, not just for circlejerking forum warriors, I really dont care what goes on that godforsaken Island. I really hope Iceland soon finds that oil outside their coast so they can finally kill this neverending betagame and they can get some real jobs.
Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
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Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
677
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:09:00 -
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It would be super swell if Hilmar just laid it out.
A. "We are talking to Sony about a PS4 upgrade."
B. "If we put Dust on a computer, we can get great graphics and fps, and we could call it Legion, but as you can see from last year's video, you're still running around in a Caldari Scout with an Assault Rail Rifle, so it's basically Dust 514."
C. "We had some designers who thought they could get away with some character wipes if we changed the name of the game and made the skill tree more accessible. I had to veto that weak sauce."
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Kuruld Sengar
B.O.S.S.GD
269
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:13:00 -
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Keep in mind that legion does not replace dust in the lore. They are two very different parts of the EVE universe, and they can easily exist in parallel. |
VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:14:00 -
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What they should say is "we really need to focus on Valkyrie because it's better."
I'd rather look bad winning, than look good losing.
Closed Beta Vet
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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
3314
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:18:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
By your logic I can't own a car and a motorcycle at the same time...
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning
I am Havok, Incorruptible
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
2697
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:34:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. By your logic I can't own a car and a motorcycle at the same time... I can't have both bacon and eggs on my plate... Peanut butter and jelly is out on one sandwich... Silly arguments are silly. A more accurate analogy for the OP's logic would be that you can't drive a car and a motorcycle at the same time. Owning vehicle doesn't require any sort of action or resources. Developing Dust or legion would each require a certain amount of both. Much like actively driving a car or motorcycle.
That said, you can totally eat bacon and eggs at the same time. But all analogies fail at some point.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
524
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:48:00 -
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
547
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Posted - 2015.03.19 21:15:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
Thank you very much for posting this! It really shines some light on the darkness that CCPs management is.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
1106
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Posted - 2015.03.19 21:33:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
Finaly
Just put full power to development of Dust and end of story. When dust514 will be finished with all implementations etc. just make Ps4 cover and job is finished.
I was already sick and tired by all that legion nonsence.
"Sebiestor Hetzer"
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
2926
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:30:00 -
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Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2.
This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!"
Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4784
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:33:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan.
Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC.
Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
7992
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:51:00 -
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I don't want to be pessimistic and say that you are right. Instead, I will simply say you are not wrong.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
2927
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:52:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC.
Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture. Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What?
PCs last you far longer than any console would. Claiming otherwise is just ignorance. You can upgrade a PC's hardware at a whim. My own gaming PC that I built about 10 years ago has been upgraded twice and still runs most of my games on High, although I plan to build a new one around the time Witcher 3 comes out.
Even the newest consoles that come out usually end up using the hardware of yesteryear because it's economically more feasible to mass produce consoles with dated hardware. The supposed "next gen" graphics that the PS4 and XBone offered were achieved by PCs 3-4 years prior. Like, the PS3 has 512MB of available RAM (256 system, 256 video) and debuted in 2006. 512MB of RAM was considered good in 1998.
All things considered, the majority of developers are still choosing the PC as their preferred platform (Source). On top of that, CCP would not have to go through Sony to release updates and hot fixes. We could have WEEKLY updates instead of bi-monthly because of how cumbersome the Sony QA process is.
And, cross-platforming PC players with Consolites would be a recipe for disaster. Assuming the PC version would offer Raw Input, competitive PC FPS players would make jelly out of any scrub using a controller. I play M/KB with DUST's horrible input and still find 99% of players I face are worse than Bronze-league CS:GO players. In DUST I can manage a 20+ K/D consistently (check my stream highlights). On PC, I'm considered mediocre and am lucky to manage a 3+ K/D.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9259
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:55:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Couldn't agree more.
Knowing that CCP Shanghai's focus is now being split between a VR Mobile Game, a PC FPS experience, and a console FPS experience I find it difficult to have faith that the monetary and time investment that I put into Dust 514 will have any long term impact or presence.
This is especially true since CCP hasn't communicated any sort of long term goals or plans for Dust beyond the PS3 since they went dark on Legion.
Pretty much my thoughts on this.. As I said in the other thread, the community has an overwhelming sense of frustration because their fate is largely out of their control and there's nothing that we can do to change the fact that CCP will never seem to be ready to tell us anything. Without that reciprocation of communication (communication is a two-way street, you can't just say you're listening and expect everything to be okay) then the playerbase is simply left to their own devices and to draw their own conclusions.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
22939
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:58:00 -
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Of course, a competent move like this would never happen.
Gallente Guide
RIP MAG - Raven vet
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
22941
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:04:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote: Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What? -snip-
Honestly, I've changed PCs three times since getting my PS3.
Gallente Guide
RIP MAG - Raven vet
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xavier zor
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1046
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:10:00 -
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YEAH, stick with dust! Us players may not be playing now, but we shall return!
well, i am really just trying EVE out
retired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGOuOaObVA<---KingThunderBolt fail montage
meh
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
2927
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:12:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote: Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What? -snip-
Honestly, I've changed PCs three times since getting my PS3. Good for you. You likely bought them pre-built and didn't consider upgrading for whatever reasons.
I built mine in 2007 and since then have added more RAM and upgraded graphics card and it still runs like new and can play any modern game on High with a few poorly optimized exceptions.
The fact that you bought 3 new computers doesn't mean consoles last longer, it just means you lack the knowledge to properly acquire/build something that'll last you.
All things considered, I stopped playing DUST because I couldn't handle playing below 30 FPS on a shooter anymore. That wouldn't be a problem on PC where you can either (a) upgrade your hardware or (b) put graphics on Low and optimize config files and such. You can't do these things on consoles. What you're given is what you get, and that drives a lot of people away. Think of how many players quit DUST after a day because if how poorly it ran when it came out, or how many competitive Planetary Conquest players/corps quit because of the horrible lag. All the early reviews of DUST talk about it, and it's never been fixed in nearly two years.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9261
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:12:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote: Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What? -snip-
Honestly, I've changed PCs three times since getting my PS3.
I've changed PCs once and it was a brand new rig, upgrading from my 5-year old powerhouse that survived since Battlefield 2. I dunno, I work very hard to keep my PC running and always work to fix my own problems instead of just replacing parts or buying a new one.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Balistyc Farshot
The Exemplars
110
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:21:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years. I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over. Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing. On PC they already have 10s of thousands of loyal followers and direct access to 10s of thousands more who have signed up for an Eve trial. They tried to go to console because they wanted to draw money out of more people instead of dividing up a set base but that has proven to be a failed experiment.
Here is the thing. The PS4 made a IFrame/Citrix style viewer that allows for fixed inputs to a virtual desktop to run the games. That is why Planetside2 is going to PS4 so fast. Xbox will follow suit because it opens the world for systems to interact with PC players. They would need to tune up their game and get a FPS to interact with a PC based space game. That interaction is what really could drive things. They just need to figure out the economy and interactions.
They just need to shoot Legion. It is dead and never could compete. What is the hook?
Now to start shotgunning and REing again, everyone will love this play style. Face Palm!
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
751
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:55:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Guaranteeing a double of the current population would still put DUST below even some of the most obscure FPS games on PC. For example, if you look at just Steam's player stats, there are FPS games that have been out for more than a decade which have higher currently playing numbers than DUST's total population, including games like Star Wars Battlefront 2. This is just ONE distribution platform, albeit the biggest, but it still shows that the DUST's population is pretty pathetic. Porting to PS4 wouldn't alleviate anything. PC is the way to go if they want to have any hope of creating a game that outlives its hardware, and PC is the only way to do that. You may go, "Oh but there's so many FPS games like... like... Call of Duty and... Battlefield!" Ok... And how do those companies survive by making those games? They put out a new version every 6 months to get you to blow $60 and $40 for a "Season Pass DLC". CCP doesn't make those kind of games (yet), and so having to make a game that would have to be ported again when the PS5 comes out would be asinine. Shooters like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 have been around for decades and STILL continue to make money for Valve. CCP needs to go all hands on deck on Legion if they actually want an FPS game that can survive a 10-year road plan. Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC. Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture.
I had not even thought about this. Good call Kain. There is a lot that could be done there.
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