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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.03.20 15:06:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. By your logic I can't own a car and a motorcycle at the same time... I can't have both bacon and eggs on my plate... Peanut butter and jelly is out on one sandwich... Silly arguments are silly. A more accurate analogy for the OP's logic would be that you can't drive a car and a motorcycle at the same time. Owning vehicle doesn't require any sort of action or resources. Developing Dust or legion would each require a certain amount of both. Much like actively driving a car or motorcycle. That said, you can totally eat bacon and eggs at the same time. But all analogies fail at some point.
If you were talking about PLAYING the game, then you would be right. But we're not, are we? We are talking about CCP developing more than one similar game at the same time. There is no reason they can't develop both at one time, and arguing that this is not possible is a stupid argument.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
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Posted - 2015.03.20 15:15:00 -
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I think what OP was trying to say was you can not continue to string people along on the idea of both games. At some point you really have to make a decision and tell people what that decision is.
Maybe if they had not blown millions of dollars and thousands of man hours chasing a trend that is going to be mediocre at best they could have made a decision by now. VR is not going to make it big and all of that time and money is going to end up a tax write off just like WoD. |
Stalken Pathfinder
Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2015.03.20 15:46:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:47:00 -
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Dust is now profitable, apparently.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/20/8263823/playstation-3-exclusive-dust-514-is-now-a-profitable-game-for-ccp
Looks like Hilmar may well be considering it now, though he's not ready to pull the trigger yet. We should be pushing for PS4 development to start and, at the very least, for Rattati to get more resources.
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:31:00 -
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Amen to that.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:35:00 -
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Simple solution... Merge the two together, since they were the same thing to begin with.
Put the stuff everyone wanted in Dust, that was moved to being planned for Legion, back into Dust and put Dust on a more 'future-proof' platform(s.)
Take it as far as you can on PS3, while putting together the next "Big update" that will require better hardware.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:41:00 -
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They weren't the same thing. Legion was meant to succeed Dust, yes. But Legion was an attempt to take Dust and turn it into a different (mechanically worse) game.
So while assets should be taken from Legion, the concept should stay dead and buried. Particularly the skill tree and item destruction concepts that CCP Z came up with, which were horrifyingly bad and would ruin the game overnight.
The sandboxy stuff I'm not altogether against as long as it exists as a side-thing.
And PC is an absolute no. Hackers are a pox to competitive gaming and CCP simply does not have the capability to combat them in an FPS.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
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Posted - 2015.03.20 19:34:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Hackers are a pox to competitive gaming and CCP simply does not have the capability to combat them in an FPS.
Yea because CCP has not been dealing with security in a PC game for roughly 12 years now.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5439
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:00:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Hackers are a pox to competitive gaming and CCP simply does not have the capability to combat them in an FPS. Yea because CCP has not been dealing with security in a PC game for roughly 12 years now.
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."
In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."
Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.
Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.
And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words. Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years. Is that supposed to be sarcasm? Because they haven't been. I once ratted out over a dozen accounts who were actively botting and not a single one of them got a ban. This wasn't a blind accusation either -- I personally knew the people doing it. That's how inefficient they are. Furthermore, legit hacking in EVE requires changing the data the server is getting. Hacking in an FPS simply requires a secondary program to recognize objects rendered and control where your screen centers. It is ridiculously easy to hack an FPS and that is why every FPS has hacks provided. Server side stat hacking is a totally different beast.
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:55:00 -
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I think your whole argument of "hackers hack FPS games thus it shouldn't be made for PC" is just ridiculous. Yes, hackers have been an issue since the dawn of gaming, but the majority of competitive FPS games have kept up with security. It's a constant tug-o-war, but hackers are typically less than 1% of the community.
Games like CS:GO, Battlefield, Call of Duty, all have their hackers as well as their ban waves and these serve nothing but to give more profit to these games because hackers will often buy a game again on a separate account after they've been banned. The systems used (VAC, EasyAntiCheat, Battleye, Warden, etc.) are all constantly updated and catch every hacker eventually.
And you have to think that in DUST progression is based on skill points which is based on time. If a hacker wants to burn a bunch of 500,000 SP accounts to have his perverted version of fun, then have at it. Any idiot who would risk his 10+ million SP for a chance at some free headshots will get his due accordingly. There's very, very few games where hackers got to the point where it broke the game.
Please, if you're going to try and make an argument against the PC, at least make it a good one.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:56:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:I think your whole argument of "hackers hack FPS games thus it shouldn't be made for PC" is just ridiculous. Yes, hackers have been an issue since the dawn of gaming, but the majority of competitive FPS games have kept up with security. It's a constant tug-o-war, but hackers are typically less than 1% of the community.
Games like CS:GO, Battlefield, Call of Duty, all have their hackers as well as their ban waves and these serve nothing but to give more profit to these games because hackers will often buy a game again on a separate account after they've been banned. The systems used (VAC, EasyAntiCheat, Battleye, Warden, etc.) are all constantly updated and catch every hacker eventually.
And you have to think that in DUST progression is based on skill points which is based on time. If a hacker wants to burn a bunch of 500,000 SP accounts to have his perverted version of fun, then have at it. Any idiot who would risk his 10+ million SP for a chance at some free headshots will get his due accordingly. There's very, very few games where hackers got to the point where it broke the game.
Please, if you're going to try and make an argument against the PC, at least make it a good one.
Hackers are not a problem for consoles. Not in general. Incredibly rare. I've seen it once in Dust ever, and it was hilarious. Guy was punching people across the map.
You look at FPS on PC with the lens of unrealistic virtue. Not going to work with me, I'm a PC gamer too. PC problems can stay in PC land. There is zero benefit to subjecting our game to it.
So let's say I'm a hacker, but I'm not hacking for progression. I'm hacking purely to ruin your experience. What the hell are you going to do to stop me? The game is free, accounts are free, I can change my IP anytime I want. There is no punishment.
You can do nothing. CCP can do nothing.
Understand the problem yet?
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