I had not even thought about this. Good call Kain. There is a lot that could be done there.

In regards to Legion "We're still exploring what we want to do with Legion."

In regards to Dust "We're sticking with Dust."

Good lord man, you can't have it both ways.

Just man up, cancel Legion officially. Put those resources back into Dust and give us a port to PS4. Your playerbase will more than double right off the bat, and you'll actually have a platform to do interesting stuff that can handle it. You aren't a Valve FPS and it was never going to work for you guys on PC especially since you never had the police force or methods to adequately combat hackers ruining the game in the first place.

And seriously, your upper management needs to learn to stop chasing trends and focus on your existing products. I'm losing count of how many times this attitude has bit your company in the ass now. This VR garbage is going to cost you millions, mark my words.

As hopeful as I am about that there is one critical advantage PC has over PS4 and that is hardware. On PC they could completely change engines five years down the line, completely overhaul the graphics, do whatever they had to do to keep up with current gaming standards. That's an advantage that is lost on the PS4 as it is permanently limited by hardware until the "next gen" comes out.

This isn't even touching on the fact that they'd have to go through Sony for every single client update and it would slow patches.

Stick with a console much longer than a PC? What?

PCs last you far longer than any console would. Claiming otherwise is just ignorance. You can upgrade a PC's hardware at a whim. My own gaming PC that I built about 10 years ago has been upgraded twice and still runs most of my games on High, although I plan to build a new one around the time Witcher 3 comes out.

Even the newest consoles that come out usually end up using the hardware of yesteryear because it's economically more feasible to mass produce consoles with dated hardware. The supposed "next gen" graphics that the PS4 and XBone offered were achieved by PCs 3-4 years prior. Like, the PS3 has 512MB of available RAM (256 system, 256 video) and debuted in 2006. 512MB of RAM was considered good in 1998.

All things considered, the majority of developers are still choosing the PC as their preferred platform (Source). On top of that, CCP would not have to go through Sony to release updates and hot fixes. We could have WEEKLY updates instead of bi-monthly because of how cumbersome the Sony QA process is.

And, cross-platforming PC players with Consolites would be a recipe for disaster. Assuming the PC version would offer Raw Input, competitive PC FPS players would make jelly out of any scrub using a controller. I play M/KB with DUST's horrible input and still find 99% of players I face are worse than Bronze-league CS:GO players. In DUST I can manage a 20+ K/D consistently (check my stream highlights). On PC, I'm considered mediocre and am lucky to manage a 3+ K/D.

As hopeful as I am about that there is one critical advantage PC has over PS4 and that is hardware. On PC they could completely change engines five years down the line, completely overhaul the graphics, do whatever they had to do to keep up with current gaming standards. That's an advantage that is lost on the PS4 as it is permanently limited by hardware until the "next gen" comes out.

This isn't even touching on the fact that they'd have to go through Sony for every single client update and it would slow patches.

Since the PS4 moved to x86 architecture there is no "porting" to PS5. You are in the same upgrade cycle as PCs albeit you generally stick with a console MUCH longer than a PC.

Also, if CCP choose to they could go cross platform as several titles already have on PS4 and PC especially since the PS4 and PC share the same x86 architecture.

We are beta testing Legion right now.

Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years.

I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over.

Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing.

On PC they already have 10s of thousands of loyal followers and direct access to 10s of thousands more who have signed up for an Eve trial. They tried to go to console because they wanted to draw money out of more people instead of dividing up a set base but that has proven to be a failed experiment.

Because they definitely have not been combating hackers in Eve for 12 years.

The main issue was and always is a terrible lack of perspective from higher management.

I really find the debate between PS4 and PC silly. It's just as silly as when CCP hatched the idea for Legion on PC because of PC "DNA".

Dust 514 is on PS3 here and now. It has a console community HERE and NOW. The obvious and easy solution is to make plans and publicly voice those plans to port it to the PS4 and not abandon the console community that has allowed Dust 514 to survive to this point.

The best option of all would be to allow PS3/PS4 crossplay for a duration and then sunset that crossplay as Dust's feature set goes beyond what the PS3 can handle.

Players knowing that CCP is even making plans to bring this game to next gen would greatly increase sales here and now. Quite simply CCP providing faith to the community that this game will continue in the long term would be a self-fulfilling prophecy as people become more willing to invest their time and money in something that they feel will continue beyond the PS3.

The faith in CCP that this game will live beyond the PS3 and be loyal to the community that built up this game was stolen by Legion. That faith needs to be returned.

CCP Didn't build DUST to duplicate it's EVE population in a PC FPS market.


The entire reason DUST exists is to expose gamers to the New Eden galaxy that liked the concept but didn't full get along with EVE.

If CCP Wants to expand their playerbase beyond the hardcore MMO market.... Building a F2P shooter on the console was exactly the kind of product that nearly every gamer could grasp.


Regardless of what anyone thinks... Legion would never get ported to the PS4.. Developing for PC and console in unison is to costly... And doesn't make any sense.

DUST 514 will be ported to the PS4 in 2016... It is as simple as 1+ 1 = 2/

I agree on the VR stuff cause that was just a joke to me but I do not see Dust ever going to the PS4. Even CCP knows they can not compete on PS4 with the flood of triple AAA titles coming down the pipe as well as the PC games that have all been fine tuned being ported over.

Completely rebuilding Dust to make it able to compete on PS4 would cost millions for what will probably end up about the same size player base as they have now with a very slow rate of growth. There is a reason the hopped on the PS3 at the end of its life cycle and it was not just bad timing.

And the biggest future competitor, will soak up quite a lot of fps/spacesim interested gamers from the PC market...

PS4 makes more sense, though only if the fundamental flaws of Dust are ironed out, which are NPE and dullness of gamemodes.

The thing is Caz by making Dust 514 cross play you allow it to maintain one of its strongest anchors: its social and its community.

As CCP Rattati said during the panel today Dust is made up of 50% new players and 50% people that just won't leave. Give them the opportunity to stay and give them time to transition to PS4.

Crossplay would also make perfect sense for the transitional period we are in right now. You can already see crossplay games that are wildly popular like Helldivers : http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/03/03/helldivers-launches-today-for-ps4-ps3-ps-vita/

CCP will need time to build out features that put Dust 514 beyond the reach of the PS3's capabilities. While those are being developed allow them to capitalize on income streams from both the PS3 and PS4 communities. CCP could also do with a community and good faith victory that transitioning fully to next gen over time would provide.

Except you need a solid game to make this happend. RLZ Dust as is on PS4 and i guarantee you'll get no players out of the PS4 player base.

Again the port to PS4 makes sense in the big picture, but tbh i m pretty convinced it's way too late for that. Dust should have gone dark 2 years ago when head development should have noticed this was going nowhere. And then re-think the choice of the PS3 as platform and basic gameplay mecanics (such as tiers and game modes. Or Tiers vs Game modes depending on your POV)

I know i'm preaching to the choir here as you have been a big supporter of the "Go FF XIV move" at some point

You're saying if it was released "as is" nobody would play it on PS4. But that's blind pessimism at best. If people are willing to play the game in the current state that its in, they are also going to be willing to play it in a better state.

The goal for Valkyrie is apparently competitive PvP. That is the "razor" that cuts through all of the other features (but it still has a campaign?).

In my opinion, they would need to scrap the Unreal engine and rebuild on their original engine or license a modern FPS engine to achieve mass appeal in a competitive FPS.

The goal for Valkyrie is apparently competitive PvP. That is the "razor" that cuts through all of the other features (but it still has a campaign?).

In my opinion, they would need to scrap the Unreal engine and rebuild on their original engine or license a modern FPS engine to achieve mass appeal in a competitive FPS.