DUST Search - how do we get a large influx of new players

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players.

The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense.

Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known.

Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong...

How is it ok to port to pc and not to ps4 when you're worried about migration? Remember announcement of Legion and how sooo many people dropped Dust cold turkey?

Dust will be reborn on the ps4 because all of the vets or people that left will (at the minimum) take a second look at dust. They may be impressed with dust and how far it has come since Uprising. If they approve, then their friends will join and it will grow. Plus, people on ps4 will at least try it because it's free and there is NOTHING on the ps4 atm.

With new ps4 capabilities, perhaps some of the bugs and overall game performance will improve, making dust a very attractive look. 10M ps4 users is 9,995,000 more people than we have now.

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SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 388	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:24:00 - [1] - Quote i was thinking about how to fix the protostomping and wondered if something could be done with nothing. i mean doing something that wont change the game.........even though i still do not approve of the jumping beans. In theory if we got enough new players joining they would all leave the academy at the same time and reduce the chances of being proto stomped. reduce the chances of queuesyncing pubs, possibly even FW One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 677	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. No Skill Required
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 389	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:41:00 - [3] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. as much as i cannot stand the guy"s videos, its not a bad idea One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5652	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:41:00 - [4] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. Senpai will personally fist you if you play Dust. Neckbeard for Good charity shave
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 165	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:45:00 - [5] - Quote Fix broken mechanics + advertising Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh! Incubi RULE! Pythons suck. 30% Logi, 30% Tanker, 40% Pilot
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1486	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:51:00 - [6] - Quote Reduce Min Ass sprint speed by .09 m/s and other meaningless data tweaks. It's worked thus far, amiright? MORE CONTENT is the only answer. Whether it's possible with the current resources, I can't say. But it's the only answer to your question. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 515	Posted - 2015.03.17 06:49:00 - [7] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: i was thinking about how to fix the protostomping and wondered if something could be done with nothing. i mean doing something that wont change the game.........even though i still do not approve of the jumping beans. In theory if we got enough new players joining they would all leave the academy at the same time and reduce the chances of being proto stomped. reduce the chances of queuesyncing pubs, possibly even FW CCP could start by either nerfing the jumping from myofibs or give mil myofibs full jump capability. Vets jumping sky high vs. New groundlocked players isn't going to help matters. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3389	Posted - 2015.03.17 06:53:00 - [8] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: Fix broken mechanics + advertising This. So many people know what EVE is even if they do not play it. You can usually get people to go "Oh, EVE. That's that spaceship game right?" If I tell people "I like DUST 514" they will look at me strangely because they never heard of it. I have never seen a DUST advertisement like I have with EVE. The Escapist used to have a fair amount of EVE ads, and they still do occasionally. DUST, though? Nope, nothing. Not even when it first launched. When you do a YouTube search for "DUST 514", the most watched video is the Fanfest cinematic trailer from 2012 with 916,505 views. Do EVE Online and the third highest is the "This is EVE" - Uncensored that was put up 3 months ago. It sits at 1,977,821. Everyone knows that one because it shows that the game isn't really about spaceships but about what those spaceships mean to people and what they go about doing with those spaceships. It is a great trailer and exists there to make you want to buy into the product. But DUST never got that. I wouldn't be surprised if "H+ªttuspil" got more marketing attention than DUST 514. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 998	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:07:00 - [9] - Quote Advertising will never happen. Unless some people weren't present back in May 2014 active development for Dust 514 has ceased. The game has been largely derided by the gaming press and by players at large. There is a reason that the head of Dust 514 is a guy who used to be a financial analyst (but has done strangely more for the game than his predecessors). The rest of the Shanghai studio is working on another game (which game is up for debate), but I can guarantee you that only a skeleton crew are working on Dust 514 - hence the "hotfixes" on balancing existing content, and the paltry new offerings we've had in the one year since the rouge wedding. Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3390	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:31:00 - [10] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. Aye. I wasn't stating that it would still work but it is what needed to happen. Well, that and the game not being released in a terrible state. One of the benefits of making EVE: Legion rather than "DUST 514 on the PC/PS4" is that it is a rebranding. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Gemini Cuspid 136	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:36:00 - [11] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. as much as i cannot stand the guy"s videos, its not a bad idea and this is bound to fail the second anyone Google this game too. Anyone who still plays after Googling it will typically get peeved at the protostomp and then leave. The bar to join and partake in a meaningful battle is rare even for vets. For newcomers the bar is nearly impossible; sure they can die 14 times a match and after a year have a meaningful SP payout but realistically it rarely if ever happens. You can have cheerleaders white~knighting the experience saying "its for their learning curve' but when the learning curve is too high you really don't learn anything if you're dying too quickly or not surviving long enough to garner enough experience. If you die 30 times to a Gunlogi a match what exactly does this teach you? Maybe that your only option is to run or leave a match because your mines and packed grenades do **** to it. That's the problem with Dust at some level; it's a pretty narcistic gme at this point of time and even if it evolves and changes you're still in the same trap.
The Eristic Dust 90210 834	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:36:00 - [12] - Quote http://dustboard.com/global http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust More people try this game than most realize. Lotta PS3s out there. It's getting the new players to stick around that has proved the issue. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3826	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:11:00 - [13] - Quote Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3390	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:33:00 - [14] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1780	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:56:00 - [15] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... ah ha haha a quick google shows MORE than 20 million ps4 sold dust 514 is dance band on the titanic shakes head at those chained to deluded 514 back to playing on my ps4
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 10:37:00 - [16] - Quote Start working on a ps4 port. How do we get more people onto a sinking ship would have been correct. I want this game to live on, not die slowly and it's the fact it's on the ps3, not the game itself that's bad as such. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 266	Posted - 2015.03.17 12:05:00 - [17] - Quote The recruit program is actually great but with NPE in the state it is advertising for CCP is just not an option. Your chances of a new player making it to 100k WP are slim to none. Unfortunately that can not be lowered as it will only start a whole new ring of alt farming. If this was not the case I would probably throw some paid ads up because it would be a cheap way to get some very nice BPOs. Basically, if they were to find a way to make NPE awesome then the recruit program may just do what it is suppose to do.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3826	Posted - 2015.03.17 13:01:00 - [18] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... How is it ok to port to pc and not to ps4 when you're worried about migration? Remember announcement of Legion and how sooo many people dropped Dust cold turkey? Dust will be reborn on the ps4 because all of the vets or people that left will (at the minimum) take a second look at dust. They may be impressed with dust and how far it has come since Uprising. If they approve, then their friends will join and it will grow. Plus, people on ps4 will at least try it because it's free and there is NOTHING on the ps4 atm. With new ps4 capabilities, perhaps some of the bugs and overall game performance will improve, making dust a very attractive look. 10M ps4 users is 9,995,000 more people than we have now. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 949	Posted - 2015.03.17 13:11:00 - [19] - Quote A complete rebranding and advertising campain. I don't see it coming though. For the last two year every single human being who has opened the PSN store and the free to play tab has seen dust 514 advertised to them. Same story we've being saying for the last two years, new players come in, get wrecked and leave. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 998	Posted - 2015.03.17 13:18:00 - [20] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. Aye. I wasn't stating that it would still work but it is what needed to happen. Well, that and the game not being released in a terrible state. One of the benefits of making EVE: Legion rather than "DUST 514 on the PC/PS4" is that it is a rebranding. Sure. I think a lot of people (myself) included don't mind the long silence just as long as there's some kind of alternative in the works. If they working for Legion for PC and fixing all the mistakes they made in Dust then good, as long as this time they release a finished game.

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 14:57:00 - [21] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... How is it ok to port to pc and not to ps4 when you're worried about migration? Remember announcement of Legion and how sooo many people dropped Dust cold turkey? Dust will be reborn on the ps4 because all of the vets or people that left will (at the minimum) take a second look at dust. They may be impressed with dust and how far it has come since Uprising. If they approve, then their friends will join and it will grow. Plus, people on ps4 will at least try it because it's free and there is NOTHING on the ps4 atm. With new ps4 capabilities, perhaps some of the bugs and overall game performance will improve, making dust a very attractive look. 10M ps4 users is 9,995,000 more people than we have now. It was 7 million about 2 months ago. It's right there staring everyone in the face and all people can go on about is nerfs, buffs and trying to squeeze as much into this game as possible. CCP could squeeze as much content in as they please, it's still on the ps3. I am hoping at Fanefest they'll at least let us know 100% whether it's going to slowly die off or will be reborn on ps4. Rebirth 1.0, 1 can dream. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 14:58:00 - [22] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. Aye. I wasn't stating that it would still work but it is what needed to happen. Well, that and the game not being released in a terrible state. One of the benefits of making EVE: Legion rather than "DUST 514 on the PC/PS4" is that it is a rebranding. Sure. I think a lot of people (myself) included don't mind the long silence just as long as there's some kind of alternative in the works. If they working for Legion for PC and fixing all the mistakes they made in Dust then good, as long as this time they release a finished game. I don't mind that either but i personally would prefer a dust port. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:03:00 - [23] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Reduce Min Ass sprint speed by .09 m/s and other meaningless data tweaks. It's worked thus far, amiright? MORE CONTENT is the only answer. Whether it's possible with the current resources, I can't say. But it's the only answer to your question. I think that depends on how much more lag it will take before people realise that the ps4 is the answer lol. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
Medical Crash RED 0MEN. Ashtar Federation 365	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:42:00 - [24] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. Fuk that guy, hate going to Youtube and that retards channel pops up every god damn time in the recommendations section. Fuk\n hate it. Him and Smosh can go kick cans.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6723	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:49:00 - [25] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... ah ha haha a quick google shows MORE than 20 million ps4 sold dust 514 is dance band on the titanic shakes head at those chained to deluded 514 back to playing on my ps4 I wouldn't buy a PS4 just for Dust...
Albyat Tyre Glitched Connection 76	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote I have gotten a few people to try this game and after a bit they say that it is not any fun getting their asses handed to them match after match is not any fun. I must agree with them. The proto stomping is totally out of control. The only reason i haven't biomassed my game is the friends i have made playing. To live as one shall live, I prefer killing red dots.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 354	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:18:00 - [27] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Advertising will never happen. Unless some people weren't present back in May 2014 active development for Dust 514 has ceased. The game has been largely derided by the gaming press and by players at large. There is a reason that the head of Dust 514 is a guy who used to be a financial analyst (but has done strangely more for the game than his predecessors). The rest of the Shanghai studio is working on another game (which game is up for debate), but I can guarantee you that only a skeleton crew are working on Dust 514 - hence the "hotfixes" on balancing existing content, and the paltry new offerings we've had in the one year since the rouge wedding. Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. In my quest to figure out what the future prospects for this game may be I found this article DUST 514 to continue Sure sounds to me from the quotes in that article their plan is to let it die slowly.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2405	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:27:00 - [28] - Quote The Eristic wrote: http://dustboard.com/global http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust More people try this game than most realize. Lotta PS3s out there. It's getting the new players to stick around that has proved the issue. Player retention is always an issue for MMO's. I think metrics on WoW detailed that >70% of people who try it last less than three months. That's for a PVE game. If you make a game PVP and free to play the 'retention' rate drops dramatically... and then if you tack on the incredibly complicated stuff dust has going for it the numbers start to seem really bleak. How do we turn this around? Better. New. Player. Experience. Part of this can be done through tutorials. Part of it can be done through better suits (I swear to god people would stick around a lot longer if they were given a 'frontline heavy'). The biggest way to improve retention though would be to petition hard for ccp to create something like eve's Interstellar Services Department (ISD), a (large) group of volunteer players who are knowledgeable about the game and do their best to answer questions for rookies, and help teach them things. All rookies in eve are dropped into a channel where ISD's are present. The other problem is trying to keep the genuine rookies away from vets, because the vast majority of us are absolute cnts to fight. The problem with this is that our current playerbase is relatively small so segregating it further will be damaging at first. So it really comes down to three steps. 1) Better tutorials 2) Players to show them the ropes 3) Keep them away from the 'problem' players until they're competent enough to fight them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.* I have a few alts.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE Immortals of War 1306	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:38:00 - [29] - Quote destroy all fps except dust SooN Gäó *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7959	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:43:00 - [30] - Quote Love how people just came in here to complain about **** and not actually suggest anything. Ratatat was suggesting meta based matches some time back. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe



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