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SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 388	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:24:00 - [1] - Quote i was thinking about how to fix the protostomping and wondered if something could be done with nothing. i mean doing something that wont change the game.........even though i still do not approve of the jumping beans. In theory if we got enough new players joining they would all leave the academy at the same time and reduce the chances of being proto stomped. reduce the chances of queuesyncing pubs, possibly even FW One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 677	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. No Skill Required
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 389	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:41:00 - [3] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. as much as i cannot stand the guy"s videos, its not a bad idea One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5652	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:41:00 - [4] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. Senpai will personally fist you if you play Dust. Neckbeard for Good charity shave
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 165	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:45:00 - [5] - Quote Fix broken mechanics + advertising Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh! Incubi RULE! Pythons suck. 30% Logi, 30% Tanker, 40% Pilot
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1486	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:51:00 - [6] - Quote Reduce Min Ass sprint speed by .09 m/s and other meaningless data tweaks. It's worked thus far, amiright? MORE CONTENT is the only answer. Whether it's possible with the current resources, I can't say. But it's the only answer to your question. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 515	Posted - 2015.03.17 06:49:00 - [7] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: i was thinking about how to fix the protostomping and wondered if something could be done with nothing. i mean doing something that wont change the game.........even though i still do not approve of the jumping beans. In theory if we got enough new players joining they would all leave the academy at the same time and reduce the chances of being proto stomped. reduce the chances of queuesyncing pubs, possibly even FW CCP could start by either nerfing the jumping from myofibs or give mil myofibs full jump capability. Vets jumping sky high vs. New groundlocked players isn't going to help matters. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3389	Posted - 2015.03.17 06:53:00 - [8] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: Fix broken mechanics + advertising This. So many people know what EVE is even if they do not play it. You can usually get people to go "Oh, EVE. That's that spaceship game right?" If I tell people "I like DUST 514" they will look at me strangely because they never heard of it. I have never seen a DUST advertisement like I have with EVE. The Escapist used to have a fair amount of EVE ads, and they still do occasionally. DUST, though? Nope, nothing. Not even when it first launched. When you do a YouTube search for "DUST 514", the most watched video is the Fanfest cinematic trailer from 2012 with 916,505 views. Do EVE Online and the third highest is the "This is EVE" - Uncensored that was put up 3 months ago. It sits at 1,977,821. Everyone knows that one because it shows that the game isn't really about spaceships but about what those spaceships mean to people and what they go about doing with those spaceships. It is a great trailer and exists there to make you want to buy into the product. But DUST never got that. I wouldn't be surprised if "H+ªttuspil" got more marketing attention than DUST 514. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 998	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:07:00 - [9] - Quote Advertising will never happen. Unless some people weren't present back in May 2014 active development for Dust 514 has ceased. The game has been largely derided by the gaming press and by players at large. There is a reason that the head of Dust 514 is a guy who used to be a financial analyst (but has done strangely more for the game than his predecessors). The rest of the Shanghai studio is working on another game (which game is up for debate), but I can guarantee you that only a skeleton crew are working on Dust 514 - hence the "hotfixes" on balancing existing content, and the paltry new offerings we've had in the one year since the rouge wedding. Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3390	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:31:00 - [10] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. Aye. I wasn't stating that it would still work but it is what needed to happen. Well, that and the game not being released in a terrible state. One of the benefits of making EVE: Legion rather than "DUST 514 on the PC/PS4" is that it is a rebranding. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Gemini Cuspid 136	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:36:00 - [11] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. as much as i cannot stand the guy"s videos, its not a bad idea and this is bound to fail the second anyone Google this game too. Anyone who still plays after Googling it will typically get peeved at the protostomp and then leave. The bar to join and partake in a meaningful battle is rare even for vets. For newcomers the bar is nearly impossible; sure they can die 14 times a match and after a year have a meaningful SP payout but realistically it rarely if ever happens. You can have cheerleaders white~knighting the experience saying "its for their learning curve' but when the learning curve is too high you really don't learn anything if you're dying too quickly or not surviving long enough to garner enough experience. If you die 30 times to a Gunlogi a match what exactly does this teach you? Maybe that your only option is to run or leave a match because your mines and packed grenades do **** to it. That's the problem with Dust at some level; it's a pretty narcistic gme at this point of time and even if it evolves and changes you're still in the same trap.
The Eristic Dust 90210 834	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:36:00 - [12] - Quote http://dustboard.com/global http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust More people try this game than most realize. Lotta PS3s out there. It's getting the new players to stick around that has proved the issue. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3826	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:11:00 - [13] - Quote Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3390	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:33:00 - [14] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1780	Posted - 2015.03.17 09:56:00 - [15] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... ah ha haha a quick google shows MORE than 20 million ps4 sold dust 514 is dance band on the titanic shakes head at those chained to deluded 514 back to playing on my ps4
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 10:37:00 - [16] - Quote Start working on a ps4 port. How do we get more people onto a sinking ship would have been correct. I want this game to live on, not die slowly and it's the fact it's on the ps3, not the game itself that's bad as such. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 266	Posted - 2015.03.17 12:05:00 - [17] - Quote The recruit program is actually great but with NPE in the state it is advertising for CCP is just not an option. Your chances of a new player making it to 100k WP are slim to none. Unfortunately that can not be lowered as it will only start a whole new ring of alt farming. If this was not the case I would probably throw some paid ads up because it would be a cheap way to get some very nice BPOs. Basically, if they were to find a way to make NPE awesome then the recruit program may just do what it is suppose to do.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3826	Posted - 2015.03.17 13:01:00 - [18] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... How is it ok to port to pc and not to ps4 when you're worried about migration? Remember announcement of Legion and how sooo many people dropped Dust cold turkey? Dust will be reborn on the ps4 because all of the vets or people that left will (at the minimum) take a second look at dust. They may be impressed with dust and how far it has come since Uprising. If they approve, then their friends will join and it will grow. Plus, people on ps4 will at least try it because it's free and there is NOTHING on the ps4 atm. With new ps4 capabilities, perhaps some of the bugs and overall game performance will improve, making dust a very attractive look. 10M ps4 users is 9,995,000 more people than we have now. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 949	Posted - 2015.03.17 13:11:00 - [19] - Quote A complete rebranding and advertising campain. I don't see it coming though. For the last two year every single human being who has opened the PSN store and the free to play tab has seen dust 514 advertised to them. Same story we've being saying for the last two years, new players come in, get wrecked and leave. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 998	Posted - 2015.03.17 13:18:00 - [20] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. Aye. I wasn't stating that it would still work but it is what needed to happen. Well, that and the game not being released in a terrible state. One of the benefits of making EVE: Legion rather than "DUST 514 on the PC/PS4" is that it is a rebranding. Sure. I think a lot of people (myself) included don't mind the long silence just as long as there's some kind of alternative in the works. If they working for Legion for PC and fixing all the mistakes they made in Dust then good, as long as this time they release a finished game.

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 14:57:00 - [21] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... How is it ok to port to pc and not to ps4 when you're worried about migration? Remember announcement of Legion and how sooo many people dropped Dust cold turkey? Dust will be reborn on the ps4 because all of the vets or people that left will (at the minimum) take a second look at dust. They may be impressed with dust and how far it has come since Uprising. If they approve, then their friends will join and it will grow. Plus, people on ps4 will at least try it because it's free and there is NOTHING on the ps4 atm. With new ps4 capabilities, perhaps some of the bugs and overall game performance will improve, making dust a very attractive look. 10M ps4 users is 9,995,000 more people than we have now. It was 7 million about 2 months ago. It's right there staring everyone in the face and all people can go on about is nerfs, buffs and trying to squeeze as much into this game as possible. CCP could squeeze as much content in as they please, it's still on the ps3. I am hoping at Fanefest they'll at least let us know 100% whether it's going to slowly die off or will be reborn on ps4. Rebirth 1.0, 1 can dream. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 14:58:00 - [22] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. Aye. I wasn't stating that it would still work but it is what needed to happen. Well, that and the game not being released in a terrible state. One of the benefits of making EVE: Legion rather than "DUST 514 on the PC/PS4" is that it is a rebranding. Sure. I think a lot of people (myself) included don't mind the long silence just as long as there's some kind of alternative in the works. If they working for Legion for PC and fixing all the mistakes they made in Dust then good, as long as this time they release a finished game. I don't mind that either but i personally would prefer a dust port. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:03:00 - [23] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Reduce Min Ass sprint speed by .09 m/s and other meaningless data tweaks. It's worked thus far, amiright? MORE CONTENT is the only answer. Whether it's possible with the current resources, I can't say. But it's the only answer to your question. I think that depends on how much more lag it will take before people realise that the ps4 is the answer lol. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
Medical Crash RED 0MEN. Ashtar Federation 365	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:42:00 - [24] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. Fuk that guy, hate going to Youtube and that retards channel pops up every god damn time in the recommendations section. Fuk\n hate it. Him and Smosh can go kick cans.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6723	Posted - 2015.03.17 15:49:00 - [25] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... ah ha haha a quick google shows MORE than 20 million ps4 sold dust 514 is dance band on the titanic shakes head at those chained to deluded 514 back to playing on my ps4 I wouldn't buy a PS4 just for Dust...
Albyat Tyre Glitched Connection 76	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote I have gotten a few people to try this game and after a bit they say that it is not any fun getting their asses handed to them match after match is not any fun. I must agree with them. The proto stomping is totally out of control. The only reason i haven't biomassed my game is the friends i have made playing. To live as one shall live, I prefer killing red dots.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 354	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:18:00 - [27] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Advertising will never happen. Unless some people weren't present back in May 2014 active development for Dust 514 has ceased. The game has been largely derided by the gaming press and by players at large. There is a reason that the head of Dust 514 is a guy who used to be a financial analyst (but has done strangely more for the game than his predecessors). The rest of the Shanghai studio is working on another game (which game is up for debate), but I can guarantee you that only a skeleton crew are working on Dust 514 - hence the "hotfixes" on balancing existing content, and the paltry new offerings we've had in the one year since the rouge wedding. Throwing advertising money at a bad game with a dwindling playerbase on a last-gen platform would be a colossal mistake. They've made a lot of mistakes with this game, but I can guarantee you they are clever enough to at least avoid that one. In my quest to figure out what the future prospects for this game may be I found this article DUST 514 to continue Sure sounds to me from the quotes in that article their plan is to let it die slowly.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2405	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:27:00 - [28] - Quote The Eristic wrote: http://dustboard.com/global http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust More people try this game than most realize. Lotta PS3s out there. It's getting the new players to stick around that has proved the issue. Player retention is always an issue for MMO's. I think metrics on WoW detailed that >70% of people who try it last less than three months. That's for a PVE game. If you make a game PVP and free to play the 'retention' rate drops dramatically... and then if you tack on the incredibly complicated stuff dust has going for it the numbers start to seem really bleak. How do we turn this around? Better. New. Player. Experience. Part of this can be done through tutorials. Part of it can be done through better suits (I swear to god people would stick around a lot longer if they were given a 'frontline heavy'). The biggest way to improve retention though would be to petition hard for ccp to create something like eve's Interstellar Services Department (ISD), a (large) group of volunteer players who are knowledgeable about the game and do their best to answer questions for rookies, and help teach them things. All rookies in eve are dropped into a channel where ISD's are present. The other problem is trying to keep the genuine rookies away from vets, because the vast majority of us are absolute cnts to fight. The problem with this is that our current playerbase is relatively small so segregating it further will be damaging at first. So it really comes down to three steps. 1) Better tutorials 2) Players to show them the ropes 3) Keep them away from the 'problem' players until they're competent enough to fight them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.* I have a few alts.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE Immortals of War 1306	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:38:00 - [29] - Quote destroy all fps except dust SooN Gäó *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7959	Posted - 2015.03.17 16:43:00 - [30] - Quote Love how people just came in here to complain about **** and not actually suggest anything. Ratatat was suggesting meta based matches some time back. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 672	Posted - 2015.03.17 17:13:00 - [31] - Quote Cross-platform playability would be my guess. Steam+PS4+PS3 I would emphasize more specialized character development. New sets of tweaking skills, like sidearm quick draw, or jumping, or anything. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 269	Posted - 2015.03.17 17:23:00 - [32] - Quote We already have a great flow of new players. NPE just needs to be in a state that we retain more than 10% of the actual new players.
TEBOW BAGGINS 1702	Posted - 2015.03.17 17:31:00 - [33] - Quote my friend's NPE consisted off restarting DUST on his first load in due to an "illegal channel name" first time and last i ever saw that bug. ok so my friend reboots and then we launch an ambush, we ran around that match having trouble finding any red to kill. frame rate also sucked. there was no academy yet. he had seen enough after about 20 minutes he was like why are you even playing this? good frame rate, ambush 1.0, and not restarting on his first log in- possibly he would still be playing.. i didnt recommend it to any other players after that.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 18:38:00 - [34] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: We already have a great flow of new players. NPE just needs to be in a state that we retain more than 10% of the actual new players. You are joking. That shows over time that the amount of new players created is going way down. It also shows that less and less players are playing. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK 3236	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:16:00 - [35] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. If all they did was to port what we already have to yet another console.... I would stay right here. PC or bust. Its not that I wouldnt buy another console to play CCP games, hell I virtually bought the PS3 for DUST. It's just I am a KB/M gamer and it seems we are only welcome on the PC Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK 3236	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:17:00 - [36] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: We already have a great flow of new players. NPE just needs to be in a state that we retain more than 10% of the actual new players. You are joking. That shows over time that the amount of new players created is going way down. It also shows that less and less players are playing. While that is true, it also shows the potential number of players this game still seems to get every day, most of which probably don't play for more than a few matches / quit once they leave academy..... Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 270	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:31:00 - [37] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: We already have a great flow of new players. NPE just needs to be in a state that we retain more than 10% of the actual new players. You are joking. That shows over time that the amount of new players created is going way down. It also shows that less and less players are playing. While that is true, it also shows the potential number of players this game still seems to get every day, most of which probably don't play for more than a few matches / quit once they leave academy..... The number of new players created took a significant drop when alt farming became less of a thing. Really all that happned there is the graph became slightly more accurate. The graph decline is definitely not a good thing. Those numbers are based on average people online at any given time which means that a certain amount of decline is not actually players lost just a lower average amount of time online. There is still a shrinking of the player base which is to be expected with any game as people get bored with a game. The real problem here is player retention. If we can not keep 200 players out of 1000+ that joined in the last 48 hours then what good is recruiting 100k players? This game is inherently harsh to new players in ways that could be solved somewhat easily. New players need to be better informed and older players need to be better updated. We are meant to depend on the forums for information when new players and even some veterans do not even know the forums exist. How long do you think it took for all veterans to know how bandwidth works? How long would it take for a newbie to learn bandwidth? Newbies very well may never learn if they are not squading up with people that are informed. New players should not hit a hard cap that all of a sudden throws them to the wolves. The academy should be the only meta locked place and it should be totally mission based on when you leave. This way newbies can learn at their own pace and have a better chance to survive and contribute to an actual match. The academy should consist of 8 vs 8 in either domination or ambush. Enough of my rant. Few people care about NPE and of the ones that do few will ever see this post or even consider the points made. o7 thanks for reading.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:34:00 - [38] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: We already have a great flow of new players. NPE just needs to be in a state that we retain more than 10% of the actual new players. You are joking. That shows over time that the amount of new players created is going way down. It also shows that less and less players are playing. While that is true, it also shows the potential number of players this game still seems to get every day, most of which probably don't play for more than a few matches / quit once they leave academy..... Potential yes but the iinterest clearly isn't there. The game is on the lolps3 so i'd imagine most people look at how long it will take to fully enjoy the game VS how long until they are getting their new ps4 with all the 'next gen' stuff and the rest down the line. It's all well and goood for those of us who have been here and have everything to enjoy the game to it's fullest and can chuck away proto as if they are mlt but for the new player, it's a grind too far for what it's worth, clearly. It was no different with the ps2/xbox when the ps3/xjoke 360 came out, the console trend will always go that way as you know. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:38:00 - [39] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: We already have a great flow of new players. NPE just needs to be in a state that we retain more than 10% of the actual new players. You are joking. That shows over time that the amount of new players created is going way down. It also shows that less and less players are playing. While that is true, it also shows the potential number of players this game still seems to get every day, most of which probably don't play for more than a few matches / quit once they leave academy..... The number of new players created took a significant drop when alt farming became less of a thing. Really all that happned there is the graph became slightly more accurate. The graph decline is definitely not a good thing. Those numbers are based on average people online at any given time which means that a certain amount of decline is not actually players lost just a lower average amount of time online. There is still a shrinking of the player base which is to be expected with any game as people get bored with a game. The real problem here is player retention. If we can not keep 200 players out of 1000+ that joined in the last 48 hours then what good is recruiting 100k players? This game is inherently harsh to new players in ways that could be solved somewhat easily. New players need to be better informed and older players need to be better updated. We are meant to depend on the forums for information when new players and even some veterans do not even know the forums exist. How long do you think it took for all veterans to know how bandwidth works? How long would it take for a newbie to learn bandwidth? Newbies very well may never learn if they are not squading up with people that are informed. New players should not hit a hard cap that all of a sudden throws them to the wolves. The academy should be the only meta locked place and it should be totally mission based on when you leave. This way newbies can learn at their own pace and have a better chance to survive and contribute to an actual match. The academy should consist of 8 vs 8 in either domination or ambush. Enough of my rant. Few people care about NPE and of the ones that do few will ever see this post or even consider the points made. o7 thanks for reading. The NPE could be the best and most cushioned thing ever in gaming but it's still a case of 'shall i spend all that time to fully enjoy the game on an outdated console with no guarantee of it being here in 1 year'. Even if it is here in a year, most of the playerbase most likely won't be. The game needs to grow with the times and it's just not going to happen on the ps3. "Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 270	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:43:00 - [40] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: The NPE could be the best and most cushioned thing ever in gaming but it's still a case of 'shall i spend all that time to fully enjoy the game on an outdated console with no guarantee of it being here in 1 year'. Even if it is here in a year, most of the playerbase most likely won't be. The game needs to grow with the times and it's just not going to happen on the ps3. and if Legion is green lit then the game will be on PC and none of this conversation will matter. We can talk hypothetically and argue over platform all day long but the simple fact is that right now there are millions of potential players out there that could be joining us here and now. The things that could make this game retain players are not that difficult and could probably be implemented in a matter of months even with the smaller team of developers.

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:53:00 - [41] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: The NPE could be the best and most cushioned thing ever in gaming but it's still a case of 'shall i spend all that time to fully enjoy the game on an outdated console with no guarantee of it being here in 1 year'. Even if it is here in a year, most of the playerbase most likely won't be. The game needs to grow with the times and it's just not going to happen on the ps3. and if Legion is green lit then the game will be on PC and none of this conversation will matter. We can talk hypothetically and argue over platform all day long but the simple fact is that right now there are millions of potential players out there that could be joining us here and now. The things that could make this game retain players are not that difficult and could probably be implemented in a matter of months even with the smaller team of developers. Legion is a different game though and the here and now is the lolps3. There's thousands of legit dust accounts so if it went to ps4 there'd be a large interest right off the bat for sure and seen as there's less to offer on the ps4, there'd be a large concentration of gamers. An example is BF4, there were 19k people online for pc and 44k people online for ps4 when i checked about a month ago. PC has so many games that player concentration is watered down. Farming simulator also had more players watching and playing than planetside 2 last checked so i think that speaks volumes for what pc gamers tend to be more into. I play all the next gen stuff on pc myself other than star citizen and when you look at games like csgo which always has at least 150k people online, it's pretty obvious how well legion/dust would do on pc. Nothing is going to retain players on the ps3, that's the way console goes when new ones come out. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 1060	Posted - 2015.03.17 20:02:00 - [42] - Quote Matchmaking is the only issue keeping Dust from retaining players. It is the only reason why I wouldn't wish on anyone I even remotely sympathize with the grueling nightmare that is starting to play dust after the academy. It has always been the only issue. There is no other problem. Implementing matchmaking is fixing Dust. Not implementing matchmaking is not fixing Dust. This is the truth.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 20:06:00 - [43] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Matchmaking is the only issue keeping Dust from retaining players. It is the only reason why I wouldn't wish on anyone I even remotely sympathize with the grueling nightmare that is starting to play dust after the academy. It has always been the only issue. There is no other problem. Implementing matchmaking is fixing Dust. Not implementing matchmaking is not fixing Dust. This is the truth. Yes mate, that would make the whole game brilliant and we can enjoy it for years to come. It would totally go places and everything we do would have lasting consequences. Matchmaking would boost the ps3 capability by 1000%. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 270	Posted - 2015.03.17 20:19:00 - [44] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Matchmaking is the only issue keeping Dust from retaining players. It is the only reason why I wouldn't wish on anyone I even remotely sympathize with the grueling nightmare that is starting to play dust after the academy. It has always been the only issue. There is no other problem. Implementing matchmaking is fixing Dust. Not implementing matchmaking is not fixing Dust. This is the truth. Yes mate, that would make the whole game brilliant and we can enjoy it for years to come. It would totally go places and everything we do would have lasting consequences. Matchmaking would boost the ps3 capability by 1000%. Thanks for inspiring my new sig lol. Why are you so stuck on the capabilities of the PS3? Not to be offensive but you are over here sounding like you get a commission on every PS4 sale. Personally I do not see Dust as being a good option in PS4 at all in the next two years. Between the cost of entry to PS4 and the flood of new games that will be coming by the end of this year revenue per player is likely to be terrible versus the possible revenue per player here on PS3. Last I checked CCP was out to make a profit and in the next year the way to do that is to stick to PS3. It may not sound like the most appealing option to us as players but the numbers are what CCP decides based on. The cost of porting to the PS4, signing a new contract with Sony, and taking a hit on losing a large amount of the current player base spells absolute disaster. We can argue any points on platform but the simple fact is CCP has said that for the time being they are staying on PS3. You should consider pitching in on making the game a better place like some others do as you seem to know a thing or two about gaming and are an experienced gamer that could probably give some good ideas and feed back. Otherwise feel free to grab your some other games while CCP decides what it wants to do.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2015.03.17 20:26:00 - [45] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Matchmaking is the only issue keeping Dust from retaining players. It is the only reason why I wouldn't wish on anyone I even remotely sympathize with the grueling nightmare that is starting to play dust after the academy. It has always been the only issue. There is no other problem. Implementing matchmaking is fixing Dust. Not implementing matchmaking is not fixing Dust. This is the truth. Yes mate, that would make the whole game brilliant and we can enjoy it for years to come. It would totally go places and everything we do would have lasting consequences. Matchmaking would boost the ps3 capability by 1000%. Thanks for inspiring my new sig lol. Why are you so stuck on the capabilities of the PS3? Not to be offensive but you are over here sounding like you get a commission on every PS4 sale. Personally I do not see Dust as being a good option in PS4 at all in the next two years. Between the cost of entry to PS4 and the flood of new games that will be coming by the end of this year revenue per player is likely to be terrible versus the possible revenue per player here on PS3. Last I checked CCP was out to make a profit and in the next year the way to do that is to stick to PS3. It may not sound like the most appealing option to us as players but the numbers are what CCP decides based on. The cost of porting to the PS4, signing a new contract with Sony, and taking a hit on losing a large amount of the current player base spells absolute disaster. We can argue any points on platform but the simple fact is CCP has said that for the time being they are staying on PS3. You should consider pitching in on making the game a better place like some others do as you seem to know a thing or two about gaming and are an experienced gamer that could probably give some good ideas and feed back. Otherwise feel free to grab your some other games while CCP decides what it wants to do. CCP has shown that if people show enough support then they make it happen so I am trying to stir that up. There was a time where a lot of the stuff we have now was an unequivocal NO, but here we are with it all. I have made an actual thread in feedback that I bump called 'Dust development for ps4' a while back. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 270	Posted - 2015.03.17 20:57:00 - [46] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: CCP has shown that if people show enough support then they make it happen so I am trying to stir that up. There was a time where a lot of the stuff we have now was an unequivocal NO, but here we are with it all. I have made an actual thread in feedback that I bump called 'Dust development for ps4' a while back. Please check out the ps3 spec as well. Not to sound offensive but you seem like a bum who doesn't want the game to move on to greener pastures because you'll get left behind. See how that works? I also do not think that of you, just saying. Im sitting back playing Blacklight on PC at a higher framerate and resolution than PS4 will ever see so I do not care either way. Things that were a resounding NO before was because of concerns on economy and the future of the game. A move to PS4 is a pretty solid no because it does not make much business sense but thats not my call, it is CCP's financial experts and investors who will make that call and I doubt any of them are here on this forum right now.
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 263	Posted - 2015.03.17 21:04:00 - [47] - Quote Find the egomaniacs in PlanetSide 2 and tell them we have a nice small pond they can swim in. I'm not joking. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 256	Posted - 2015.03.17 21:05:00 - [48] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: CCP has shown that if people show enough support then they make it happen so I am trying to stir that up. There was a time where a lot of the stuff we have now was an unequivocal NO, but here we are with it all. I have made an actual thread in feedback that I bump called 'Dust development for ps4' a while back. Please check out the ps3 spec as well. Not to sound offensive but you seem like a bum who doesn't want the game to move on to greener pastures because you'll get left behind. See how that works? I also do not think that of you, just saying. Im sitting back playing Blacklight on PC at a higher framerate and resolution than PS4 will ever see so I do not care either way. Things that were a resounding NO before was because of concerns on economy and the future of the game. A move to PS4 is a pretty solid no because it does not make much business sense but thats not my call, it is CCP's financial experts and investors who will make that call and I doubt any of them are here on this forum right now. How's that coming along now as last I played it was really bland. I didn't mind the way the cash shop works and I vaguely remember the build I had in mind. It was really laggy when I played. Of course but who relays info that helps them make decisions?. We whined for more aurum items and got them and all the extras recently. There's no reason this issue would be any different. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 256	Posted - 2015.03.17 21:11:00 - [49] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: Find the egomaniacs in PlanetSide 2 and tell them we have a nice small pond they can swim in. I'm not joking. It would cause a lot of crying lol. Drop ships filled with shotgun suicidal gangk squads. Boards filled with people going 2/10 but still winning lol. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2786	Posted - 2015.03.17 22:15:00 - [50] - Quote After they improve mechanics and make the NPE really polished and awesome (probably more for Legion), I would announce a tournament with the winning 16-man team receiving the largest purse in gaming tournament history to be held in 12 (perhaps 18) months from the date of the announcement. That would provide a new player enough time to build her skills to be competitive if they started playing seriously. With a free-to-play game, I think we would see a massive influx of new players chasing the golden carrot. Many would get hooked and stick around after the tournament was over. The gaming press would get the word out, and I think it would inject a ton of new players and revenue into the game. That would be well worth the several hundred thousand dollars it would cost to pay out the winning team. Additionally, this tournament would allow EVE orbital support using the existing mechanisms (host the tournament on a planet in a region other than Molden Heath). Best PvE idea ever!

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 262	Posted - 2015.03.17 22:19:00 - [51] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: After they improve mechanics and make the NPE really polished and awesome (probably more for Legion), I would announce a tournament with the winning 16-man team receiving the largest purse in gaming tournament history to be held in 12 (perhaps 18) months from the date of the announcement. That would provide a new player enough time to build her skills to be competitive if they started playing seriously. With a free-to-play game, I think we would see a massive influx of new players chasing the golden carrot. Many would get hooked and stick around after the tournament was over. The gaming press would get the word out, and I think it would inject a ton of new players and revenue into the game. That would be well worth the several hundred thousand dollars it would cost to pay out the winning team. Additionally, this tournament would allow EVE orbital support using the existing mechanisms (host the tournament on a planet in a region other than Molden Heath). Lol, and then you woke up. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2787	Posted - 2015.03.17 22:46:00 - [52] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Vell0cet wrote: After they improve mechanics and make the NPE really polished and awesome (probably more for Legion), I would announce a tournament with the winning 16-man team receiving the largest purse in gaming tournament history to be held in 12 (perhaps 18) months from the date of the announcement. That would provide a new player enough time to build her skills to be competitive if they started playing seriously. With a free-to-play game, I think we would see a massive influx of new players chasing the golden carrot. Many would get hooked and stick around after the tournament was over. The gaming press would get the word out, and I think it would inject a ton of new players and revenue into the game. That would be well worth the several hundred thousand dollars it would cost to pay out the winning team. Additionally, this tournament would allow EVE orbital support using the existing mechanisms (host the tournament on a planet in a region other than Molden Heath). Lol, and then you woke up. By that do you mean that CCP would never do this, or that it wouldn't generate a large influx of players if they did? They already spent a lot of money just to put DUST 514 on that Icelandic MMA fighter's a$$. I guarantee this would be a hell-of-a-lot more effective at bringing in new players. Best PvE idea ever!
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 263	Posted - 2015.03.17 22:50:00 - [53] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: Vell0cet wrote: After they improve mechanics and make the NPE really polished and awesome (probably more for Legion), I would announce a tournament with the winning 16-man team receiving the largest purse in gaming tournament history to be held in 12 (perhaps 18) months from the date of the announcement. That would provide a new player enough time to build her skills to be competitive if they started playing seriously. With a free-to-play game, I think we would see a massive influx of new players chasing the golden carrot. Many would get hooked and stick around after the tournament was over. The gaming press would get the word out, and I think it would inject a ton of new players and revenue into the game. That would be well worth the several hundred thousand dollars it would cost to pay out the winning team. Additionally, this tournament would allow EVE orbital support using the existing mechanisms (host the tournament on a planet in a region other than Molden Heath). Lol, and then you woke up. By that do you mean that CCP would never do this, or that it wouldn't generate a large influx of players if they did? They already spent a lot of money just to put DUST 514 on that Icelandic MMA fighter's a$$. I guarantee this would be a hell-of-a-lot more effective at bringing in new players. Yeah I'll bet they'd spend that 700k on aurum as well lol. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Kierkegaard Soren Corrosive Synergy 733	Posted - 2015.03.17 23:02:00 - [54] - Quote None of my games were even remotely fun until I had acquired 25mil so, by which point core skills were more or less maxed, I had two weapons to Proto with all the bells and whistles and I could field a suit that had five ranks behind it. Fun, but not even remotely competitive. That came at around 30mil, the sum of two years of off and on solid playing. No, caveats abound here; I play commando, the least viable suit type in the game even after bandwidth, and my gun game is utterly miserable, so I have no doubts that a better player with more savvy instincts could take this game and be decent at it...in about two months, minimum. And there is your problem. It's a walking corpse of a game tied to a platform that's already dead but just doesn't know it yet. By the time any new influx of players get good enough to compete with the established player base, this game will be long gone. Sad, but probably true. Nothing short of a port to ps4 will save it. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 263	Posted - 2015.03.17 23:07:00 - [55] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: None of my games were even remotely fun until I had acquired 25mil so, by which point core skills were more or less maxed, I had two weapons to Proto with all the bells and whistles and I could field a suit that had five ranks behind it. Fun, but not even remotely competitive. That came at around 30mil, the sum of two years of off and on solid playing. No, caveats abound here; I play commando, the least viable suit type in the game even after bandwidth, and my gun game is utterly miserable, so I have no doubts that a better player with more savvy instincts could take this game and be decent at it...in about two months, minimum. And there is your problem. It's a walking corpse of a game tied to a platform that's already dead but just doesn't know it yet. By the time any new influx of players get good enough to compete with the established player base, this game will be long gone. Sad, but probably true. Nothing short of a port to ps4 will save it. But we could host a competition to draw in players. Once the cash prize of 700k has been sucked out of the game and those new players no longer have an incentive to play, the game will be good on the ps3 and we can all ride into the sunset happily ever after. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 394	Posted - 2015.03.18 00:33:00 - [56] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Get PewDeePie to make a video about dust. as much as i cannot stand the guy"s videos, its not a bad idea and this is bound to fail the second anyone Google this game too. Anyone who still plays after Googling it will typically get peeved at the protostomp and then leave. The bar to join and partake in a meaningful battle is rare even for vets. For newcomers the bar is nearly impossible; sure they can die 14 times a match and after a year have a meaningful SP payout but realistically it rarely if ever happens. You can have cheerleaders white~knighting the experience saying "its for their learning curve' but when the learning curve is too high you really don't learn anything if you're dying too quickly or not surviving long enough to garner enough experience. If you die 30 times to a Gunlogi a match what exactly does this teach you? Maybe that your only option is to run or leave a match because your mines and packed grenades do **** to it. That's the problem with Dust at some level; it's a pretty narcistic gme at this point of time and even if it evolves and changes you're still in the same trap. the large influx of players is to avoid the protostomp. if there are enough players the protostomp will be less common One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 394	Posted - 2015.03.18 00:36:00 - [57] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Matchmaking is the only issue keeping Dust from retaining players. It is the only reason why I wouldn't wish on anyone I even remotely sympathize with the grueling nightmare that is starting to play dust after the academy. It has always been the only issue. There is no other problem. Implementing matchmaking is fixing Dust. Not implementing matchmaking is not fixing Dust. This is the truth. Yes mate, that would make the whole game brilliant and we can enjoy it for years to come. It would totally go places and everything we do would have lasting consequences. Matchmaking would boost the ps3 capability by 1000%. Thanks for inspiring my new sig lol. matchmaking cannot happen without: 1) a large enough group of players 2) ping being taken into account first before skill One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 394	Posted - 2015.03.18 00:40:00 - [58] - Quote If people would read the post they might actually make intelligent replies. My post was not to come up with was to fix the game. We all pretty much agree on the topics. My post is a question to how we get a large group of players to join. Staying is up to them, but as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POST, with a large enough number of newberries the proto would be offset. To them the protostyomping would be like running into the occasion MLG team One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 263	Posted - 2015.03.18 00:49:00 - [59] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Matchmaking is the only issue keeping Dust from retaining players. It is the only reason why I wouldn't wish on anyone I even remotely sympathize with the grueling nightmare that is starting to play dust after the academy. It has always been the only issue. There is no other problem. Implementing matchmaking is fixing Dust. Not implementing matchmaking is not fixing Dust. This is the truth. Yes mate, that would make the whole game brilliant and we can enjoy it for years to come. It would totally go places and everything we do would have lasting consequences. Matchmaking would boost the ps3 capability by 1000%. Thanks for inspiring my new sig lol. matchmaking cannot happen without: 1) a large enough group of players 2) ping being taken into account first before skill Exactly and that's not going to happen on the ps3 now. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 263	Posted - 2015.03.18 00:52:00 - [60] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: If people would read the post they might actually make intelligent replies. My post was not to come up with was to fix the game. We all pretty much agree on the topics. My post is a question to how we get a large group of players to join. Staying is up to them, but as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POST, with a large enough number of newberries the proto would be offset. To them the protostyomping would be like running into the occasion MLG team They've already joined and gone pretty much. We've had the grand opening, I was there that day when we had almost 10k players. Slowly over time, all the potential players have come and gone and tried the game. Its done here, people are getting ps4's. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......

SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 394	Posted - 2015.03.18 00:54:00 - [61] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: If people would read the post they might actually make intelligent replies. My post was not to come up with was to fix the game. We all pretty much agree on the topics. My post is a question to how we get a large group of players to join. Staying is up to them, but as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POST, with a large enough number of newberries the proto would be offset. To them the protostyomping would be like running into the occasion MLG team They've already joined and gone pretty much. We've had the grand opening, I was there that day when we had almost 10k players. Slowly over time, all the potential players have come and gone and tried the game. Its done here, people are getting ps4's. 10k players out of how many millions of consoles? Pretty crap stats if you ask me One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 263	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:00:00 - [62] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: If people would read the post they might actually make intelligent replies. My post was not to come up with was to fix the game. We all pretty much agree on the topics. My post is a question to how we get a large group of players to join. Staying is up to them, but as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POST, with a large enough number of newberries the proto would be offset. To them the protostyomping would be like running into the occasion MLG team They've already joined and gone pretty much. We've had the grand opening, I was there that day when we had almost 10k players. Slowly over time, all the potential players have come and gone and tried the game. Its done here, people are getting ps4's. 10k players out of how many millions of consoles? Pretty crap stats if you ask me http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust You must be new here or in denial. Every time a new console comes out, what happens?. There were about 7 million ps4 owners about 2 months ago, there's now over 10 million. Who in their right mind stays on a dying console, especially in a game that requires considerable time to fully enjoy? No one. All that matters now is a ps4 port so the game can grow properly. That or a PC port. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 394	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:06:00 - [63] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: If people would read the post they might actually make intelligent replies. My post was not to come up with was to fix the game. We all pretty much agree on the topics. My post is a question to how we get a large group of players to join. Staying is up to them, but as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POST, with a large enough number of newberries the proto would be offset. To them the protostyomping would be like running into the occasion MLG team They've already joined and gone pretty much. We've had the grand opening, I was there that day when we had almost 10k players. Slowly over time, all the potential players have come and gone and tried the game. Its done here, people are getting ps4's. 10k players out of how many millions of consoles? Pretty crap stats if you ask me http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust You must be new here or in denial. Every time a new console comes out, what happens?. There were about 7 million ps4 owners about 2 months ago, there's now over 10 million. Who in their right mind stays on a dying console, especially in a game that requires considerable time to fully enjoy? No one. All that matters now is a ps4 port so the game can grow properly. That or a PC port. Sorry if i wasnt clear with my last comment. I was just making a statement regarding the stats not arguing against the port. As far as b*tching about people not reading the post, it was not directed at you as you seem to genuinely care about the future of Dust. I was complaining about people who were mentioning specific problems about the game. Thanks EDIT: I thought they just hit 20mil units sold One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 263	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:09:00 - [64] - Quote Double post. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 263	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:10:00 - [65] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: TerranKnight87 wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: If people would read the post they might actually make intelligent replies. My post was not to come up with was to fix the game. We all pretty much agree on the topics. My post is a question to how we get a large group of players to join. Staying is up to them, but as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POST, with a large enough number of newberries the proto would be offset. To them the protostyomping would be like running into the occasion MLG team They've already joined and gone pretty much. We've had the grand opening, I was there that day when we had almost 10k players. Slowly over time, all the potential players have come and gone and tried the game. Its done here, people are getting ps4's. 10k players out of how many millions of consoles? Pretty crap stats if you ask me http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust You must be new here or in denial. Every time a new console comes out, what happens?. There were about 7 million ps4 owners about 2 months ago, there's now over 10 million. Who in their right mind stays on a dying console, especially in a game that requires considerable time to fully enjoy? No one. All that matters now is a ps4 port so the game can grow properly. That or a PC port. Sorry if i wasnt clear with my last comment. I was just making a statement regarding the stats not arguing against the port. As far as b*tching about people not reading the post, it was not directed at you as you seem to genuinely care about the future of Dust. I was complaining about people who were mentioning specific problems about the game. Thanks EDIT: I thought they just hit 20mil units sold Oh right, I apologise. Yes I do and I'm sick of seeing nerf and buff threads, like they even matter. Its akin to the violin players on the Titanic going down but on a yatcht when they could easily jump on a cruiser lol. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 264	Posted - 2015.03.18 01:22:00 - [66] - Quote 20 mil now, damn. Its only going to go up as well and even faster when the prices start going even lower. I'm hoping we get told something at fan fest regarding dust. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6262	Posted - 2015.03.18 02:39:00 - [67] - Quote If they announced a port to PS4 I think there would be plenty of people that would give Dust another shot. With Valkerie already headed there I think there are things they could do to loosely connect the two. Valkerie is supposedly a 20 minutes a sitting type game and it should get a lot of advertising, those people are going to need something else to do!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9438	Posted - 2015.03.18 03:02:00 - [68] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... How many of those PS3's no longer get turned on because the owner now has a PS4? How many of those PS3's are broken? How many of those PS3's are owned by people who no longer game in general? It's a bad stat. We need stats on the active PS3 and PS4 player base. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.18 03:04:00 - [69] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: Fix broken mechanics + advertising What moon moon said Its ok, I'm a ninja
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 79	Posted - 2015.03.18 03:06:00 - [70] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If they announced a port to PS4 I think there would be plenty of people that would give Dust another shot. With Valkerie already headed there I think there are things they could do to loosely connect the two. Valkerie is supposedly a 20 minutes a sitting type game and it should get a lot of advertising, those people are going to need something else to do! If dust goes to PC, I'll play it. if it goes to PS4 I'll buy one and play it. they have years of testing information to draw from, they cant possibly make the next installment of the game worse Its ok, I'm a ninja

TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 265	Posted - 2015.03.18 09:56:00 - [71] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Porting Dust to ps4 is the only way to get a large influx of new players. The problem is "how many people would move from the PS3 to the PS4?" It might just split the community even more. The people that would be most interested in playing would be EVE players based on them already having interest in the EVE universe. Logically, the PC would make more sense. Regardless, there are a whole hell of a lot more PS3's out there than PS4's. A Google search states that it is 10 million PS4's (as of 1/5/15) and 70 million PS3's (as of 11/16/12). People aren't playing DUST because it isn't on the newest system; people aren't playing DUST because the community is split, the game is not worth slogging through the crap in order to find the diamond, and the game is not well known. Dunno. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some nugget of information out of FanFest. But the last two FanFests and the last two EVE Vegas's have been a load of misinformation so the record is looking pretty strong... How many of those PS3's no longer get turned on because the owner now has a PS4? How many of those PS3's are broken? How many of those PS3's are owned by people who no longer game in general? It's a bad stat. We need stats on the active PS3 and PS4 player base. The Console trend has always been to change and i doubt it's stopping now with how much better the ps4 is than the ps3. It's inevitable. Even if they go to the xjoke one or the pc, they are still going. There's your stats Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 525	Posted - 2015.03.18 12:04:00 - [72] - Quote If Dust goes to the PS4 and the newbs still get wasted after academy, they won't stay in the game. If Dust goes to PC only, half the playerbase won't go there. If Dust gets greenlit for PS4 AND the NPE gets better, we might see a steady rise in player numbers. The NPE is the most important thing at all! I've created new characters recently, and the NPE after leaving the academy is horrid. It is no fun to get protostomped in pub matches over and over again, and that's with me knowing the maps and the mechanics inside out. Sure you can sit back and farm SP with links and a repper, but is that fun for somebody who expects to shoot stuff? NO IT ISN'T! So the only thing that will keep players in the game is FUN period! Which means that they have a newb playmode, exclusively for low SP Characters, which should be limited to level 4 stuff only. If they want to duke it out with the lolvets, thy can join pubs, but if they get tired of the stomps, they can go back to their reservate low SP gamemode to catch a breath and have fun in this game. Tiered games wont solve the issue, only seperation from the vats will help the NPE!
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1589	Posted - 2015.03.18 12:49:00 - [73] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Matchmaking is the only issue keeping Dust from retaining players. It is the only reason why I wouldn't wish on anyone I even remotely sympathize with the grueling nightmare that is starting to play dust after the academy. It has always been the only issue. There is no other problem. Implementing matchmaking is fixing Dust. Not implementing matchmaking is not fixing Dust. This is the truth. Yes mate, that would make the whole game brilliant and we can enjoy it for years to come. It would totally go places and everything we do would have lasting consequences. Matchmaking would boost the ps3 capability by 1000%. Thanks for inspiring my new sig lol. No, but it would cut the attrition rate. If we could double the retention of new players then all the other changes needed start to make some economic sense to CCP. It is probably too late to change that now. Dust was in the PSN store as an exclusive, so many have already played and left that the remaining pool is too limited. Because, that's why.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 274	Posted - 2015.03.22 10:02:00 - [74] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: If Dust goes to the PS4 and the newbs still get wasted after academy, they won't stay in the game. If Dust goes to PC only, half the playerbase won't go there. If Dust gets greenlit for PS4 AND the NPE gets better, we might see a steady rise in player numbers. The NPE is the most important thing at all! I've created new characters recently, and the NPE after leaving the academy is horrid. It is no fun to get protostomped in pub matches over and over again, and that's with me knowing the maps and the mechanics inside out. Sure you can sit back and farm SP with links and a repper, but is that fun for somebody who expects to shoot stuff? NO IT ISN'T! So the only thing that will keep players in the game is FUN period! Which means that they have a newb playmode, exclusively for low SP Characters, which should be limited to level 4 stuff only. If they want to duke it out with the lolvets, thy can join pubs, but if they get tired of the stomps, they can go back to their reservate low SP gamemode to catch a breath and have fun in this game. Tiered games wont solve the issue, only seperation from the vats will help the NPE! We had more people playing when there was no NPE btw. You completely miss the issue. No amount of sticking feathers up your arse will make you a chicken. People are not babies and do not need to be treated as such. Newbs are not little cute smurfs, they are people who want to kill others. There were way more people playing when there was no NPE so it has nothing to do with it. Its because were on a console that is sht. Please understand that. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......


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