I see you trying to change the argument on me but I will tell you this I stated my opinions and experiences not hard evidence or facts so think what you may, but I do think I should be able to take out a tank on my own after using all the resources available to me now this may be the wrong way of thinking but as a solo player this is how I must play to actually profit as I have in the past

yes there are questions in there that I need the answer to which is why I made a thread now I am glad that you are a part of it but You don seem to bring anything other then trying to make me seem like a scrub which if it would please you that much you may proceed to think of me as such

but nonetheless what I have stated is still valid and I would still like help to answer those questions for myself and those of the community that have similar questions

tanks were buffed now av needs a buff, I can see why tanks got a buff but now av is almost practically useless at std and adv

I placed proximity explosives threw av nades and even sent out 2 volleys of std swarms, but the tank repped through it and regained everything back in seconds the proximity explosives did put a dent in its shields but nothing more happened after that

the tanker simply drove off and re positioned

as the match went on more and more tanks joined their side about 4 total I believe

my team was massacred and no one seemed to be able to do anything about it not even I in my makeshift tank slayer suit

the problem was mostly teamwork as in they had it and we did not

they had squads obviously that were tanking were the tankers had two guys watching their flanks at all times, making it hard for av to get anywhere near effective range and they also took out all of the cru's and supply depots then proceeded to camp the default spawn points

effective tactic yes but if thats all matches are gonna be now then there needs to be a buff to av or a nerf to tanks

lav's and drop ships don't seem to be a problem and im sure people will find ways to deal with this but as far as av and tanks go its not balanced at all as far as I can tell at least

judging from my prior experiences where I could take out proto tanks by myself not easy but doable its much harder now to take out even standard ones maybe not so much mlt ones but that might be because the real tankers don't bother using them

now I haven't looked at it completely from both sides since I dont have any tank buddies I can tag with so I cant really say if its balanced from the tankers perspective but from my perspective which I have had my fair share of tank usage and I handle AV on a regular basis whether it be the plc, fg, or swarms none of these seem to be doing much to tanks now

its pretty ridiculous that even with the recent changes to the starter AV loadouts that a team of 16 players cant even take out 1 out of 4 tanks

maybe it was just my team being incompetent but if that is so then the issue of balance in matchmaking arrives, perhaps the fix for this would be the fitting lockout through meta lvl but as things are now av needs a buff just as tanks did

if you can kill a merc with one clip why cant you do the same for a tank if you have weapons that are specifically made to take them out?

if I place 4 proxies a tank rolling over them should at least be about dead if not dead and if they can rep through the damage then the av weapons need to have more sustained damage

the buff to AV nades is great but 3 is not enough anymore maybe before the changes to tanks was implemented but now it takes at least 4 packed nades to take a single tank out and that's if they don't rep back up using modules

I do like what was done with tanks but what I don't like is getting camped at base

now Im just stating my opinion here and I would like to hear from more experienced tankers and experienced AV users that have skilled into it respectively, what do you guys think are tanks and AV balanced, does AV need a buff? do tanks need a nerf? is everything working as it should? are tanks back in their glory days? will they get spammed and nerfed eventually? is there a better way of fixing this issue? should Jihad LAV's and Jihad Drop ships be the only way to take out tanks other then using a tank of your own?

that brings me to my final point if the only way to counter tanks is with tanks then there needs to be a better way to deploy them, because when you try to call one out and the other team sees this they immediately take it out forcing you to have to use AV to try and take them out

anyway this seems to be the biggest issue now, myofibs are not a problem and seem to be working as intended

I thought the issue was 4 tanks in close formation, not 1?

As someone with a proto PLC, proto FG, and ADV swarm skills I have a hard time believing that 3 guys didn't kill one twerp, unless starter fits is literally all you had.

this escalated quickly...

1 swarmer that costs maybe 200k shouldn't solo a 1.6m tank I know some of you don't understand that concept but that's fine.. If we go by costs then it should take 8 guys of 200k suits to kill one 1.6m tank

A Gladius does not have substantial passive reps like a maddie, has to wait a significant time for the shields to start kicking in, and has terrible cooldown times for shield boosters and hardeners.

I just find it bizarre that you could't drive him away with sustained fire from three people, standard or not. How does that even happen? Did you take turns soloing it?

so are you to say that if you are using a proto dropsuit fitting that costs about 300k that a 40k suit shouldn't be able to kill you

or do you think tanks should have their own rules?

as I see it people are using price to dictate whether or not an individual has the capacity to take on and take out a target

Okay then my question for you is what do tanks mean to you? Free WP? Waste of isk? Sitting ontop a building with an auto lock weapon doesn't take skill so why compare it to dropsuits? It's not like the 40k dropsuit has an auto lock gun that will follow you around buildings. This is my issue 90% of av takes no skill whatsoever.. You know why the forge isn't the go to? Cuz it doesn't auto lock your enemy. Also all tanks received an hp nerf btw.
And before you say anything I do not tank anymore I stopped in Chrome. I'm not saying they should be OP but they sure as hell shouldn't be easy to kill, atleast tanks have to aim to hit their target.

tanks to me are tanks they have hefty amounts of HP but they are not godmode and should go down as any tank should when using the proper weaponry against them I myself have skilled into all the vehicles just to test them out now im by far not the best at any of these roles but I think that there should be a fair balance between the two if an ADS can be taken out by a lone AV merc and the ADS costs more then a tank of the same tire then the argument of "my tank costs more then your AV" is totally invalid at least that's how I see it and if I can take on proto players in std gear then why shouldn't I be able to do the same against tanks and other vehicles, now if tanks are working as intended that's completely fine

But if AV isnt working against the main thing they are supposed to be good against then there is a problem, now people have been trying to discredit me for using std gear or for using the SL but I might add that I have skilled into all weapons and I do use the plc and fg when I see fit I don't have a bias towards the SL I use the PLC just as much and I used to use the FG far more back when It had splash damage so that I wouldn't have to worry about getting ganked as much I still use it fairly often

and dont get me wrong I'm not trying to say that If I use only one of these I should be able to kill any tank but if I use all the proper av equipment and the tank is still full hp then then I find that to be an issue but as I have stated multiple times this is only my opinion

If my in put means anything I view the situation as something that played out in the following manner.....

Your enemy was in a situation where they were more cohesive and using communication to have an advantage as well as maintaining a high level vehicle superiority [the 4 tanks you mentioned]. You were specifically targeting a superior tier vehicle using a comparatively inferior tier of AV equipment alone.

In this scenario I'd suggest that something on your end did not quite go according to plan and that your follow up on its depleted shields was less than adequate to deal with the kind of HAV that you were attacking.

I'm going to attribute this more of less down to bad luck.

I would agree completely, but I do see an issue where one team is backed into a corner and can no longer function appropriately

that being said you are correct about all of this which is the whole reason why I made this thread, the issue of matchmaking is there to some extant

as things stand my primary goal against tanks will probably be 1 of two options either take them on with my own tanks or use an ASD to do the dirty work from above

Dropships have the flight ceiling, tanks get the bad terrain

Fact of the matter is if you cannot make a viable move your opponent has out played you. If you were encountering multiple Prototype HAV I'd suggest to you that it should take more than a single guy with basic AV to drop one simply for the sheer ISK and now SP cost of ensuring you have all the nifty stuff.

As I said before it could just have been bad luck. I can certainly say that I don't think Tanks are over powered though they might be trending towards the upper echelons of content this build.

I'll be skilling into shield HAV this evening and working with them for a couple of days to put together some feed back and a small beginners tank guide.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

this is more along the lines of what I was looking for when I made this thread I would like to see some feedback from mutiple players and their experiences and as far as isk and wp rewards I could care less about that stuff I want to make lots of isk and lots of wp I either go logi and place links, reps and revive or I use my cal scout suit and bunnyhop my way to victory I would much rather fight against mercs then vehicles I only do it because I try to counter whatever play style the other team has and its fun to blow things up

that'd be two eyes for two eyes, unless you are already missing one in that case sorry friend but in the world of the blind the one eyed man is king

Sadly you have to engage vehicle users as they are just as important a facet of gameplay as infantry combat. I do think its a shame that infantry whims and demands have taken precedence over those of vehicle pilots. It's led to a lot of mucking around until now.

Thankfully CCP Rattati is looking into them and hopefully going to be able with the correct feed back improve upon the current mechanics.

I have full faith that Rattati will and the other devs will make this game ever better I love what they have done so far and I hope to see even more content

I use drop ships more then I do tanks so I will say that comparing the two drop ships are far easier to counter mainly because of the skill it takes to just fly them then If you use an ADS it not only skill but price as well it takes skill to fly it takes skill to shoot things and It takes a good amount of isk to be able to afford it

tanks are far easier to use in my opinion and the whole swarm launchers are easy mode mindset is kinda silly swarms are far more of a threat to dropships then they are to tanks as all a tank has to do is go around a curve and the terrain will block any damage

it doesn't take too much skill to point and click the skill comes in where you position and what tactics you use

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