I don't understand why so many of you seem to think facts are up for debate. That myofibs aren't working as intended is a *fact*. You may not like it, but not liking it doesn't change it.

its not worth arguing with halo/cod teens

It's fun, give it a try :D

if this doesn't get sorted out i'm sure you're gonna see threads like this popping up

-nerf the plc

-nerf the flaylock

-nerf the mass driver

Nah, I'm good thanks. I've played two games and it's pants. Don't wish to be a 'can't beat em, join em' player, so I won't "try it". I don't like halo or anything like it. Guess I'm done. Never mind. Got plenty other games to play.

I really don't see what the problem is.

It's an alternative to Damage Mods - which increases TTK - which is awesome.
It's an alternative to Precision Enhancers- which helps Scouts - which is awesome (kinda).
It's an alternative to Shield Modules - which reduces brick tanking - which is awesome.

Further more, you can't really aim worth a **** when you're jumping... So it's not like bunny hopping is hurting anyone. You can't do it more than a few times in rapid succession -AND- you can't recover stamina while in the air.

That being said, it's a navigational tool and it's doing so amazingly well. It provides options that weren't there before, prevents from having to use ladders - which is awesome - and because it's not that great for combat it's a very awesome addition to have in a science fiction shooter.

It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.

I really don't see what the problem is.

It's an alternative to Damage Mods - which increases TTK - which is awesome.
It's an alternative to Precision Enhancers- which helps Scouts - which is awesome (kinda).
It's an alternative to Shield Modules - which reduces brick tanking - which is awesome.

Further more, you can't really aim worth a **** when you're jumping... So it's not like bunny hopping is hurting anyone. You can't do it more than a few times in rapid succession -AND- you can't recover stamina while in the air.

That being said, it's a navigational tool and it's doing so amazingly well. It provides options that weren't there before, prevents from having to use ladders - which is awesome - and because it's not that great for combat it's a very awesome addition to have in a science fiction shooter.

It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.

I really don't see what the problem is.

It's an alternative to Damage Mods - which increases TTK - which is awesome.
It's an alternative to Precision Enhancers- which helps Scouts - which is awesome (kinda).
It's an alternative to Shield Modules - which reduces brick tanking - which is awesome.

Further more, you can't really aim worth a **** when you're jumping... So it's not like bunny hopping is hurting anyone. You can't do it more than a few times in rapid succession -AND- you can't recover stamina while in the air.

That being said, it's a navigational tool and it's doing so amazingly well. It provides options that weren't there before, prevents from having to use ladders - which is awesome - and because it's not that great for combat it's a very awesome addition to have in a science fiction shooter.

It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.

I understand all arguments 'for', I just don't like the gameplay that ensues. It's that simple. No skin off my nose, just a little less AUR sales for CCP each month.

it affects splash damage weapons that are easy to aim while mid air

it affects splash damage weapons that are easy to aim while mid air

Why..? Because it's new, refreshing, and outside the norm..? What's wrong with players jumping incredibly heights? And please don't say it's not 'realistic', it's a sci-fi game x3



You mean splash damage weapons that are already easy to aim with?

Use your own myrofibrals and jump onto a high ledge - then suddenly those same weapons are now their weakness.

Why..? Because it's new, refreshing, and outside the norm..? What's wrong with players jumping incredibly heights? And please don't say it's not 'realistic', it's a sci-fi game x3

it affects splash damage weapons that are easy to aim while mid air

bottom line is the stacking penalties are not being applied refreshing or not it needs to be fixed

I shouldn't have to counter fibs with fibs

I hope I am not the only one who can shoot players in mid air (I have low sensitivity settings if that helps you guys). Straffing currently makes players direction unpredictable. Jumping makes them very predictable for short periods. I love it when they jump sometimes. It makes it easier to hit them.

So I've been running some math.... and myofibrals are not working as INTENDED. As described by rattati they should have been allowing a scout to jump up to the top of one of the small shipping crates, not 4x the height of one. Also as evidenced by the spreadsheet in the simple changes area these are only meant to be giving 15, 20, 25% bonuses.

In short, before patch we were told that these would provide 15, 20 and 25% bonuses to jump height based on their tier. However this does not line up with people doing the crazy moon jumps that they are doing. Myofibrals currently are not listed as having a separate 'jump height' modifier, I think that what actually happened is that Myo's simply had a flag added to them that caused them to also affect jump height.

What has lined up with math that I've been running is that four complex myofibrals at level 5 skill provide a 500% bonus to punch damage.... and because no separate number was defined for jump height they are ALSO providing a 500% bonus to jump height, which is cumulative with temporary speed gains from sprinting (speed directly affects jump height, pre-patch there were maps where heavies couldn't jump up onto things like small pipes without a small sprinting start).

Four myofribral stimulants at 25% (*1.5 = 37.5%) should only be providing a 145% total bonus to jump height. It is clear that they are not 'roughly doubling' ones jump height, but are instead quadrupling / quintupling it at 3-4 myo's.

tl;dr. Myofribrals are actually currently applying a 75% bonus to jump height each, instead of the 37.5% jump height they're meant to.

http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties Feel free to plug in numbers yourself and doublecheck.

edit: had to reword things for anothers satisfaction.

I don't understand why so many of you seem to think facts are up for debate. That myofibs aren't working as intended is a *fact*. You may not like it, but not liking it doesn't change it.

Calm down. I hope they keep it like this. It's refreshing on so many levels.

People here don't seem to understand that there is a fine line between fun and balance.

Are the new Myifibs fun? Hell yeah.
Are they unbalanced? Sadly yes.

Just because it is fun, that does not mean thet are balanced. Splash weapons+stacked myofibs WILL become FOTM. A very bad one too. That's what I want to stop.

God damn...

You guys act like you cant shoot a guy with fxing 2-300 less HP...

WTF?

You can't do it more than a few times in rapid succession

My 1048 stamina assault says otherwise...

Yes, BUT you sacrificed even more HP to do that.

So balanced.