DUST Search - Heavies are balanced.

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

But we die instantly to shotguns and RE's. And Combat rifles... And Rail Rifles... Yeah, maybe your just doing it wrong D:

I can take heavies down with an Adv. ScR and breach SMG combo pretty darn good actually.

Mayhaps you should try not standing directly in front of the MINIGUN while shooting them?

Instantly is a bit of a misnomer.

Combat rifles and Rail rifles do it quicker than others, but nowhere near instantly. I've yet to see someone rip through a full health heavy with an ACR with anything LESS than a full clip. (Barring Minmatar, because Min heavies have nowhere near enough HP)

Shotguns take 2-3 shots. Still a good second or two. We just start the engagement while your back is turned, and try to end it without being on the receiving end of the death machine.

RE's against a single heavy is stupid. Use them against heavy blobs. Which is perfectly fine. As long as you guys are resistant to Grenade and MD spam, RE's will remain the most effective way of pushing multiple heavies off an objective, short of pulling out heavies of your own.

My personal rule: If it takes "X" spam to counter "X" spam, SOMETHING is broken.

You guys still have the highest TTK in the game for most weapons. Try not to make it sound like you guys are paper thin. You aren't.

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Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 45	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:12:00 - [31] - Quote Well you see,heavies are built purposely to be amazing point defence,having ridiculous defenses while at the same time have stupid damage output but they can't move for **** which doesn't help their extremely short range. Standing right infront of a heavy then complaining because you got killed by him was all your fault. The plasma shot phasing though that said heavy is the game's fault though. Bad hit detection. All in all,heavies are fairly easy to kill if you have the right tactics and well capable team mates How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2587	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:32:00 - [32] - Quote Yeah lol... I love how Standard heavies can take a direct PLC hit to the face and come out laughing... Standard. Heavies. Ridiculous bullshit right der. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 45	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:34:00 - [33] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Yeah lol... I love how Standard heavies can take a direct PLC hit to the face and come out laughing... Standard. Heavies. Ridiculous bullshit right der. Yeah I hate that too,BScP to the head fixes that though How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2587	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:40:00 - [34] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Yeah lol... I love how Standard heavies can take a direct PLC hit to the face and come out laughing... Standard. Heavies. Ridiculous bullshit right der. Yeah I hate that too,BScP to the head fixes that though Yeah, except your fcking dead before you can do that... Remember? High DPS death machine? Official QuafeGäó Advocate* Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:42:00 - [35] - Quote Big miku wrote: Broke out my Heavy just now Went 145/0 I feel Sexy HMG so OP you teamkill with ease
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 45	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:42:00 - [36] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Yeah lol... I love how Standard heavies can take a direct PLC hit to the face and come out laughing... Standard. Heavies. Ridiculous bullshit right der. Yeah I hate that too,BScP to the head fixes that though Yeah, except your f*cking dead before you can do that... Remember? High DPS death machine? Haul ass first!! I'm heavy in my Main so you can run for like a split second and heavy ass would have lost you already How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:44:00 - [37] - Quote Big miku wrote: I wonder how many Heavy Players dominate the Weekly Kill boards. Kaizuka Sniper is a sniper, it's even in his name lol
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 3143	Posted - 2015.03.08 09:14:00 - [38] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Well you see,heavies are built purposely to be amazing point defence,having ridiculous defenses while at the same time have stupid damage output but they can't move for ** which doesn't help their extremely short range. Standing right infront of a heavy then complaining because you got killed by him was all your fault. The plasma shot phasing though that said heavy is the game's fault though. Bad hit detection. All in all,heavies are fairly easy to kill if you have the right tactics and well capable team mates I took aim while he was looking the other way, he turned ate the bloody PLC shot, and just killed me. So... standing behind a heavy and instantly dying when he turns around is my fault? (He killed me before the damage indicator could even do anything. Tell me that's balanced.) To anger a calm man like me is a near impossible task... ...One that only DUST 514 has accomplished**
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2588	Posted - 2015.03.08 09:16:00 - [39] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Well you see,heavies are built purposely to be amazing point defence,having ridiculous defenses while at the same time have stupid damage output but they can't move for **** which doesn't help their extremely short range. Standing right infront of a heavy then complaining because you got killed by him was all your fault. The plasma shot phasing though that said heavy is the game's fault though. Bad hit detection. All in all,heavies are fairly easy to kill if you have the right tactics and well capable team mates I took aim while he was looking the other way, he turned ate the bloody PLC shot, and just killed me. So... standing behind a heavy and instantly dying when he turns around is my fault? (He killed me before the damage indicator could even do anything. Tell me that's balanced.) Yes, its balanced cuz the heavi uzed skil to kil u. U didnt stronk nuff 2win m8. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 45	Posted - 2015.03.08 09:22:00 - [40] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Well you see,heavies are built purposely to be amazing point defence,having ridiculous defenses while at the same time have stupid damage output but they can't move for **** which doesn't help their extremely short range. Standing right infront of a heavy then complaining because you got killed by him was all your fault. The plasma shot phasing though that said heavy is the game's fault though. Bad hit detection. All in all,heavies are fairly easy to kill if you have the right tactics and well capable team mates I took aim while he was looking the other way, he turned ate the bloody PLC shot, and just killed me. So... standing behind a heavy and instantly dying when he turns around is my fault? (He killed me before the damage indicator could even do anything. Tell me that's balanced.) Hey I said it was bad hit detection dude,jeez chill besides for some reason,heavies can survive a plc but not a shotgun which is also a bit annoying How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them

DRT 99 Commando Perkone Caldari State 206	Posted - 2015.03.08 10:22:00 - [41] - Quote i run an STD sentinel with nothing but rechargers and reppers - no tank mods other than regen. hell no damage mods most of the time. it obsoletes pretty much most other suits in the game.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 961	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:09:00 - [42] - Quote Medium frame has almost zero chance to kill sentinel in city. Every gunfight is within 50-40m in towns. 40m is HMG optimal. Every assault will be down after 1,5 bursts. Caldari Hero Loyal To The State Mejt0 Sale List
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 40	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:53:00 - [43] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: But we die instantly to shotguns and RE's. And Combat rifles... And Rail Rifles... Yeah, maybe your just doing it wrong D: I can take heavies down with an Adv. ScR and breach SMG combo pretty darn good actually. Mayhaps you should try not standing directly in front of the MINIGUN while shooting them? Lol I had quite a few stand completely still in front of me. One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Big miku Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 502	Posted - 2015.03.08 13:11:00 - [44] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Medium frame has almost zero chance to kill sentinel in city. Every gunfight is within 50-40m in towns. 40m is HMG optimal. Every assault will be down after 1,5 bursts. HMG Range at PRO level is 33 OPT and 55 EFF https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FYU-aHBH9jmOdTd9LFJu6XlmvINRapJGw71OAE49Qec/edit#gid=0
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 965	Posted - 2015.03.08 14:40:00 - [45] - Quote Big miku wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Medium frame has almost zero chance to kill sentinel in city. Every gunfight is within 50-40m in towns. 40m is HMG optimal. Every assault will be down after 1,5 bursts. HMG Range at PRO level is 33 OPT and 55 EFF https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FYU-aHBH9jmOdTd9LFJu6XlmvINRapJGw71OAE49Qec/edit#gid=0 Up to 40m hmg loses only few % of dmg - same as nothing Caldari Hero Loyal To The State Mejt0 Sale List
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22531	Posted - 2015.03.08 15:04:00 - [46] - Quote Isn't Corrosive Synergy a corp that does Gal FW...? Gallente Guide
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10403	Posted - 2015.03.08 16:28:00 - [47] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: But we die instantly to shotguns and RE's. And Combat rifles... And Rail Rifles... Yeah, maybe your just doing it wrong D: I can take heavies down with an Adv. ScR and breach SMG combo pretty darn good actually. Mayhaps you should try not standing directly in front of the MINIGUN while shooting them? Instantly is a bit of a misnomer. Combat rifles and Rail rifles do it quicker than others, but nowhere near instantly. I've yet to see someone rip through a full health heavy with an ACR with anything LESS than a full clip. (Barring Minmatar, because Min heavies have nowhere near enough HP) Shotguns take 2-3 shots. Still a good second or two. We just start the engagement while your back is turned, and try to end it without being on the receiving end of the death machine. RE's against a single heavy is stupid. Use them against heavy blobs. Which is perfectly fine. As long as you guys are resistant to Grenade and MD spam, RE's will remain the most effective way of pushing multiple heavies off an objective, short of pulling out heavies of your own. My personal rule: If it takes "X" spam to counter "X" spam, SOMETHING is broken. You guys still have the highest TTK in the game for most weapons. Try not to make it sound like you guys are paper thin. You aren't. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5749	Posted - 2015.03.08 16:31:00 - [48] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Isn't Corrosive Synergy a corp that does Gal FW...? They aren't loyal to a single Empire (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Big miku Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 503	Posted - 2015.03.08 16:36:00 - [49] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: My personal rule: If it takes "X" spam to counter "X" spam, SOMETHING is broken. Rock is Overpowered, Paper is underused and Scissors needs to be buffed.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2589	Posted - 2015.03.08 17:11:00 - [50] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Isn't Corrosive Synergy a corp that does Gal FW...? They aren't loyal to a single Empire Yeah, we don't really like taking easy mode any one day. We like to switch it up Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V

ROMULUS H3X research lab 355	Posted - 2015.03.08 17:21:00 - [51] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Yeah lol... I love how Standard heavies can take a direct PLC hit to the face and come out laughing... Standard. Heavies. Ridiculous bullshit right der. Smiles sadistically waiting for Echo Soon there will be a lot less of them surviving that tactical direct shot FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 3149	Posted - 2015.03.08 18:58:00 - [52] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Isn't Corrosive Synergy a corp that does Gal FW...? They aren't loyal to a single Empire Yeah, we don't really like taking easy mode any one day. We like to switch it up Easy Mode? Back when I was still active in CFW it was a tough fight for the Gallente when I was on the team. I'm a bit rusty now, and broke. Also Level 3! Just need 7 more... *To anger a calm man like me is a near impossible task...* *...One that only DUST 514 has accomplished*
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2536	Posted - 2015.03.08 20:14:00 - [53] - Quote I honestly believe heavies are close to balanced - what's left to determine is what exactly their role should be, including the basic frames. I agree with Breakin' Stuff that the current niche of the heavy came about as the result of several nerfs/buffs that were made without any clear vision of where we were heading. That being said, the bigger issue is assaults(including the basic medium frame): they have not become assaults yet. Yes they got an ehp buff and yes we've looked at their role/racial skills a few times, but these have only been incomplete iterations on where we want to end up. Tbh when assaults got that arbitrary and undiscussed ehp buff it was one of those head-slapping moments because an ehp buff was definitely not the focus of the discussion threads re: the assault's role. In short, one of the primary reasons we have heavy spam is because assaults have not yet been given the suite of tools they need to do their job. PSN: RationalSpark
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 586	Posted - 2015.03.09 06:30:00 - [54] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: But we die instantly to shotguns and RE's. And Combat rifles... And Rail Rifles... Yeah, maybe your just doing it wrong D: I can take heavies down with an Adv. ScR and breach SMG combo pretty darn good actually. Mayhaps you should try not standing directly in front of the MINIGUN while shooting them? Instantly is a bit of a misnomer. Combat rifles and Rail rifles do it quicker than others, but nowhere near instantly. I've yet to see someone rip through a full health heavy with an ACR with anything LESS than a full clip. (Barring Minmatar, because Min heavies have nowhere near enough HP) Shotguns take 2-3 shots. Still a good second or two. We just start the engagement while your back is turned, and try to end it without being on the receiving end of the death machine. RE's against a single heavy is stupid. Use them against heavy blobs. Which is perfectly fine. As long as you guys are resistant to Grenade and MD spam, RE's will remain the most effective way of pushing multiple heavies off an objective, short of pulling out heavies of your own. My personal rule: If it takes "X" spam to counter "X" spam, SOMETHING is broken. You guys still have the highest TTK in the game for most weapons. Try not to make it sound like you guys are paper thin. You aren't. Fact of the matter, the suit does what it was intended for. So I'm not saying it's paper thin, assuming you can run it right. I can do equally well in my Assault, Scout, or Commando suit, if not better then my heavy suit most of the time. No one seems to want to explain that phenomenon though.... Or my Logi, going 2000wp+ almost every time I want to run it. Lately I prefer my other suits to my heavy because they are more fun and are not as limited as the heavy. With a heavy suit, your limited to your choice of attack and defending style. The new C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, I'm that Heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Commando/Logi/Assault/Scout-
xavier zor 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 737	Posted - 2015.03.09 06:51:00 - [55] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: But we die instantly to shotguns and RE's. And Combat rifles... And Rail Rifles... Yeah, maybe your just doing it wrong D: I can take heavies down with an Adv. ScR and breach SMG combo pretty darn good actually. Mayhaps you should try not standing directly in front of the MINIGUN while shooting them? The only thing you guys die instantly to is your own stupidity As long as you don't let anything sneak up on you then you are good to go. When i see heavy spam, i use knives. Assault spam, heavy. Scout spam, assault retired stabbed musturd, duna, radar, tibs replying
Jathniel Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1492	Posted - 2015.03.09 23:31:00 - [56] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: They are meant to go 33/3 and be immune to bullets and PLCs. It's not the heavy's fault, that 11 people ran at him and died, each time he died.... 3 times... Retired
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 3157	Posted - 2015.03.10 00:27:00 - [57] - Quote Jathniel wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: They are meant to go 33/3 and be immune to bullets and PLCs. It's not the heavy's fault, that 11 people ran at him and died, each time he died.... 3 times... That guy was actually chasing us down. Thankfully he was slow. Sadly his HMG was able to mow down even the shield tanks. *To anger a calm man like me is a near impossible task...* *...One that only DUST 514 has accomplished*
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1571	Posted - 2015.03.10 00:29:00 - [58] - Quote Just take a look at the PC kills spreadsheet. The story is all there. Amarr heavy w/ Boundless HMG is #1 by a margin of about 3X, other heavy HMG combos make up a lot of the top 10 and Scout SG and NK is also overrepresented. Because, that's why.
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 3158	Posted - 2015.03.10 03:25:00 - [59] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: I honestly believe heavies are close to balanced - what's left to determine is what exactly their role should be, including the basic frames. I agree with Breakin' Stuff that the current niche of the heavy came about as the result of several nerfs/buffs that were made without any clear vision of where we were heading. That being said, the bigger issue is assaults(including the basic medium frame): they have not become assaults yet. Yes they got an ehp buff and yes we've looked at their role/racial skills a few times, but these have only been incomplete iterations on where we want to end up. Tbh when assaults got that arbitrary and undiscussed ehp buff it was one of those head-slapping moments because an ehp buff was definitely not the focus of the discussion threads re: the assault's role. In short, one of the primary reasons we have heavy spam is because assaults have not yet been given the suite of tools they need to do their job. An intelligent argument that supports heavies. Very nice. *To anger a calm man like me is a near impossible task...* *...One that only DUST 514 has accomplished*
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 734	Posted - 2015.03.10 03:50:00 - [60] - Quote I've seen every class in the game do that. I saw a scout go 76 and 12 in a Dom just 1 month ago. GTFO with this kitten.



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