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Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7369	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:05:00 - [1] - Quote protostomping and the MMC have been a topic of debate since the first MCC. I always had opinions on it but never really shared them since i was to busy criticizing the old MCC events because we killed 1million clones during a weekend event or no event, so it was not even a "Challenge" making me have no reason to care what people do as we hit a million clones all the time. But now that this is an actual challenge and their is a chance we might not get it things are actually interesting. Let me lay down might opinion about proto players and the MCC. If all players were to use BPO/Milita gear you would not get anywhere near 5 Mil. Why do i say this? I see everyone say don't worry about capturing objectives you just need to kill as many clones as possible during one match. This in theory makes sense when you do not take in the consideration of how long the match lasts. Everyone talking about total kills and not kill efficiency. A squad of proto players can mow down 150 Militia clones much faster than a squad of Militia players can take down a 150 Militia clones. Now what do the peasants b*tch and moan about 24/7? Matchmaking? Yes match making. Every thread made about match making is something along the lines of "I keep getting put up against a squad of proto players, and my team is a bunch of random blueberries." That situation right there is what gets the most kills. Militia vs Militia might get good fights but it will not drive up the numbers of kill. A squad of proto stompers, that are faster, stronger and smarter will get more kills when fighting militia players. Never hear people say two squads of proto stompers are fighting each other. If that happen, that would be the only half reasonable argument for why protostompers would lose us this event. A thought experiment: Game #1: Game mode is ambush, 75 clones. one side is filled with 16 protostompers in the most try hard slayer fits they have. The other side is 16 militia noobs. Game #2: Game mode is ambush, 75 clones. one side filled with 16 militia players, the other side also another 15 militia players. Which game will hit 75 clones killed fastest? Game#1 without a doubt. Sure game#2 will get more clones in one match but it will take much longer to finish the game while the players from Game#1 are already in the next game stomping and killing. You can either tell me Match making is bad or you can tell me protostompers will lose us this event, but you can not tell me both. It might not be the nice way or the right way for Dust's direction to be heading, and hopefully things will change, but it is the current way things are done. TL;DR: If you think that if everyone was wearing militia gear you have a higher likelihood of winning the 5MCC, you are wrong... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 487	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:26:00 - [2] - Quote []enjoy :-)[/url] Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7370	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:27:00 - [3] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: []enjoy :-)[/url] http://puu.sh/gpzR2/720f441401.png very enjoyable. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 487	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:28:00 - [4] - Quote just dont ask Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2505	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:30:00 - [5] - Quote If everyone used Militia Minmatar Light frames with Basic Scrambler Rifles/Shotguns, while only using Damage Mods and Stamina Mods in their slots, the kill counts would go through the roof. Dont even try to deny it... Home at Last <3
Michael-J-Fox Richards The Scope Gallente Federation 226	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:38:00 - [6] - Quote BOOM! the TC just laid some knowledge down on your crybaby asses that was like an atom bomb going off on a chicken necked limp wristed bad postured teenage mcdonalds workers face oh my god that was like a war crime I got that john elway arm to proficiency level 5.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1919	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:42:00 - [7] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: If everyone used Militia Minmatar Light frames with Basic Scrambler Rifles/Shotguns, while only using Damage Mods and Stamina Mods in their slots, the kill counts would go through the roof. Dont even try to deny it... My event fit as follows: Quafe Minmatar Assault Quafe CR Toxin Sub Locus Grenade One complex light damage mod One profile precision One complex kincat One profile damp suit cost is negligible speed feels good getting right up on people like a death spewing rage zombie feels good Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 487	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:43:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: []enjoy :-)[/url] http://puu.sh/gpzR2/720f441401.png very enjoyable. XD **** ups of 2015 Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Vicious Minotaur 2062	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:45:00 - [9] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: ... ... but it is the current way things are done. ... Which is to say: the antithesis of fun. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:50:00 - [10] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: If everyone used Militia Minmatar Light frames with Basic Scrambler Rifles/Shotguns, while only using Damage Mods and Stamina Mods in their slots, the kill counts would go through the roof. Dont even try to deny it... If you want be that much of a relativist, if one team kept spawning in one CRU with no hp mods onto a team of proto users the kills would also go through the roof... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps

jordy mack WarRavens 335	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:50:00 - [11] - Quote im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. Less QQ more PewPew
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 7844	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:52:00 - [12] - Quote The only people making threads about proto stomping and the event are proto stompers. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:52:00 - [13] - Quote jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 944	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:53:00 - [14] - Quote More people stomp - more people stop playing. If CCP won't fix matchmaking, they won't get new players [customers]. About this event. It's bad. Uniteresting. This event means only one thing : you have to face exactly the same people everytime just to get something you'll never use. Loyal to State Mejt0's Sale List Offering help via mails
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:54:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The only people making threads about proto stomping and the event are proto stompers. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195200&find=unread CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1919	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:55:00 - [16] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? You are Amarr. You don't know when you're wrong. It's in your blood. Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:01:00 - [17] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? You are Amarr. You don't know when you're wrong. It's in your blood. Hard to know when you are wrong when you are right 99% of the time i guess... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8266	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:02:00 - [18] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? 2 sides almost cloning out > One side cloning out the other with minor clone loss. Queuing times are a transactional cost. The more death that can be done in one battle, the limited the affects of transactional costs. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1194	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:04:00 - [19] - Quote Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8266	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:07:00 - [20] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill Also a very good point. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17512	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:14:00 - [21] - Quote Was Officer Stomping today to get my 3 wins using your Laser Rifle! "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1922	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:18:00 - [22] - Quote Playing recklessly and without any regards to safety or self preservation will create a larger body count. Guarding your suits, playing cautiously, letting a logi do something other than throw down more ammo, is a waste of time. Throw yourself into the pandemonium! Let chaos guide you! Become death, eat death, give death, and receive death! Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 708	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:22:00 - [23] - Quote Viktor, a lot of the time you are correct in what you say, so it saddens me to have to say you are wrong this time. You're saying that stompers are helping kill clones faster? It is true that they kill faster than mlt wielding mercs. However, unfortunately they are also playing normally, I.E. destroying uplinks. They are making games longer by forcing the enemy team to have to travel further distances. Their Logi's are reviving them when they die, thus costing the event total a clone everytime they do so, all in the interest of saving isk. Now, if Stompers were leaving uplinks on the field, and Logi's were not repping or reviving them, you'd be correct. But like I said, unfortunately this is not so. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:42:00 - [24] - Quote I watched Frost Kitty tear people up in full proto. My hat was off. The guy stayed in the thick of battle, was meticulous in his lines and killed like banshee from the depths of hell. He went something like 46-4. I killed him once using a BPO. I went 8-14, but I never stopped coming at them...had trouble making it into the fight because some testicle deficient scrubs put uplinks on the roof and were hiding like a bunch of Carebear Cousins. If you can run numbers like that I don't care what you do. If you're using a Proto heavy and 2 logis running needles and reps, I want to punch you so hard that your children's children are born without souls. Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:16:00 - [25] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Viktor, a lot of the time you are correct in what you say, so it saddens me to have to say you are wrong this time. You're saying that stompers are helping kill clones faster? It is true that they kill faster than mlt wielding mercs. However, unfortunately they are also playing normally, I.E. destroying uplinks. They are making games longer by forcing the enemy team to have to travel further distances. Their Logi's are reviving them when they die, thus costing the event total a clone everytime they do so, all in the interest of saving isk. Now, if Stompers were leaving uplinks on the field, and Logi's were not repping or reviving them, you'd be correct. But like I said, unfortunately this is not so. your saying this as if people in BPO's and militia suits don't use rep tools and nanite injectors. Now that i think of it, i don't even have a suit with a nanite injector... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:26:00 - [26] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Playing recklessly and without any regards to safety or self preservation will create a larger body count. Guarding your suits, playing cautiously, letting a logi do something other than throw down more ammo, is a waste of time. Throw yourself into the pandemonium! Let chaos guide you! Become death, eat death, give death, and receive death! Systematic killing > reckless game play. faster kills, faster matches. Large body count in a game maybe, but not efficient. 150 kills in 10 minutes > 300 kills in 30 minutes CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:27:00 - [27] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill I'm not assuming i know this because people are still playing this game today and proto stomping has been going on for years, yet there are still people to stomp. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1564	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:27:00 - [28] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? Your argument is that the most clones are killed with Sharks and Goldfish. All Goldfish or all Sharks make for fun games, not slaughters and slaughters is what will win this event. The problem is that no one likes to always be a Goldfish, they either quit or become Sharks themselves, mostly they quit or quit trying. You can blame the Goldfish but it is equally valid to blame the Sharks. If the Sharks force people to quit or hide then there is less overall killing and we have a few poor Goldfish doing all the dying. Because, that's why.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2548	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:28:00 - [29] - Quote I like how this event is providing data to see where weapons (and suits) are at. Inb4 nerfs Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 710	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:28:00 - [30] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Viktor, a lot of the time you are correct in what you say, so it saddens me to have to say you are wrong this time. You're saying that stompers are helping kill clones faster? It is true that they kill faster than mlt wielding mercs. However, unfortunately they are also playing normally, I.E. destroying uplinks. They are making games longer by forcing the enemy team to have to travel further distances. Their Logi's are reviving them when they die, thus costing the event total a clone everytime they do so, all in the interest of saving isk. Now, if Stompers were leaving uplinks on the field, and Logi's were not repping or reviving them, you'd be correct. But like I said, unfortunately this is not so. your saying this as if people in BPO's and militia suits don't use rep tools and nanite injectors. Now that i think of it, i don't even have a suit with a needle, when i run around in squads with proto players a guy who has a needle is the least of our concerns. I never actually specified which kind of suit the Logis were in all fairness. I'm in full mlt, because I'm part of the Militia Madness event. Otherwise, I'd only be running Roden Galmando with PLC and Breach AR, all STD mods. R-9 Uplinks though, to have them near the Frontline. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0



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