Your argument is that the most clones are killed with Sharks and Goldfish. All Goldfish or all Sharks make for fun games, not slaughters and slaughters is what will win this event. The problem is that no one likes to always be a Goldfish, they either quit or become Sharks themselves, mostly they quit or quit trying. You can blame the Goldfish but it is equally valid to blame the Sharks.

If the Sharks force people to quit or hide then there is less overall killing and we have a few poor Goldfish doing all the dying.

You can either tell me Match making is bad or you can tell me protostompers will lose us this event, but you can not tell me both.

Systematic killing > reckless game play.

faster kills, faster matches.


Large body count in a game maybe, but not efficient.

150 kills in 10 minutes > 300 kills in 30 minutes

I'm not assuming i know this because people are still playing this game today and proto stomping has been going on for years, yet there are still people to stomp.

I really do not think the general public understand how efficient some of the top proto squads are at killing. Especially, in regards to ambush.

They usually clear ambush in under 3 minutes, and OMS in under 5.

A good Ambush squad should consist of Gal Logi (Full proto scans) and then High Assault DPS combo's. For example, Minmatar +ARR or Amarr+ScR etc

No one likes being stomped, but it is absurd to blame them for lack of killing potential.

Your argument:
Protostomping has always been here and people still play this game.

Our argument:
That's true, but they're choosing not to play this game for the DURATION of this event BECAUSE of the persistent protostomping spam across all gamemodes.

Which completely negates your argument that it is actually helping this event. It's not. People are struggling through their 3 victories and immediately leaving. Most people are spamming ambush, praying they get the stomp side. If not, they leave battle immediately.

So:

Influx of newer/militia players vs protostompers -> X clones die | few clones die = influx leaves
New influx of newer/militia players vs Same protostompers -> X clones die | few clones die = influx leaves
Eventually no new influx but protostomping team vs protostompers -> X clones die at slower rate

The only thing driving the 'new' influx is players just getting on for the day. So we have a playerbase that would like to participate that is being driven away and the same half set being depleted. With a random game here or there that also pulls out proto to even out a match.

Which has nothing to do with players still playing the game but everything to do with why this weekend will fail.

However, given how much this community is already over this event in mindset, and how CCP hasn't released any numbers (because let's face it, we're not reaching that goal without flat out lying) we can all continue believing what we want, doing the bare minimum and still reap the rewards.

I never hear anyone saying "There are just so many proto vs proto fights in pubs."

I always hear "X proto corp stomped my random team"


Why is that if you say "Eventually it will only be proto vs proto." Should eventually not have come by this time. proto stomping been going around for ever. yes "proto vs proto sq's is rare to see in pubs."

Again. You're not reading my words. Proto has been here forever. I'm agreeing with you. People still play this game, I'm agreeing with you.

I'm saying people are leaving THIS EVENT. Not the game forever. For this EVENT. Hence, eventually because no one wants to stick around for THIS EVENT, protos are actually finding each other in matches between the influx of players actually trying for their 3 wins within THIS EVENT. Which is why your argument that protostomping is helping THIS EVENT is invalid.

Not sure how I can make that any clearer...

I really do not think the general public understand how efficient some of the top proto squads are at killing. Especially, in regards to ambush.

They usually clear ambush in under 3 minutes, and OMS in under 5.

A good Ambush squad should consist of Gal Logi (Full proto scans) and then High Assault DPS combo's. For example, Minmatar +ARR or Amarr+ScR etc

No one likes being stomped, but it is absurd to blame them for lack of killing potential.

Glad to see your trying to defend this but your just dead wrong.

Not everyone has the isk or the people to play with to stomp, you know some of us if not the majority of the playerbase treats this as what it is...A game. You know?

Not something thats just gonna cause a whole lot of frustration just barely getting in their three wins and just constantly losing match after match.

People just stop playing at that point because its no longer fun anymore and the playerbase shrinks some more.

Just cause you can stomp doesn't help the event, the players, or the game. Stop trying to justify it.

I'm not talking about the health of this game over all. i'm talking about getting the numbers for this event.

I still don't see proto vs proto during this event. it is still generally proto vs randoms

Also if people are pushing to run militia for the solo purpose of dying. So would it not be to the advantage of those who run around in militia just to die. You die quicker to proto weapons.

tell me why i am wrong?

Yet people are still playing this game. If everyone but proto players quit, there would only be proto vs proto pub matches but i never hear people talk about that. I always hear is people saying they are always getting stomped by proto squads. and they have been getting stomped by proto squads for years but they are still here.

there has been the same amount of people playing thought proto stomping for a long time.

Hard to know when you are wrong when you are right 99% of the time i guess...

PRO vs MLT most the guys in my pub channels have gotten bored, logged in for the 1 win for the day and went to play destiny. means less players to kill and less games being played at once

MLT vs MLT more balanced games means more players stay around and more games happening at once and a higher kill count over time

TL;DR: If you think that if everyone was wearing militia gear you have a higher likelihood of winning the 5MCC, you are wrong...

In a perfect world maybe... But if you don't ignore that people are going to run away and make it harder for the proto players to kill them, because we don't want to pad their kdr and be bored, while they get to go about their daily 'pew pew' to feed their epeen.

militia vs militia, no one cares about dieing, so there's very little 'chase,' just a whole lot of people running at each other head first, hoping for the best.


Now if the proto-stompers want to split the roles evenly, one match one team is proto and the next match those players take the role of militia lemmings... But that's not going to happen, because it's just an excuse to pad their kdr.

I still don't see proto vs proto during this event. it is still generally proto vs randoms