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Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7369	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:05:00 - [1] - Quote protostomping and the MMC have been a topic of debate since the first MCC. I always had opinions on it but never really shared them since i was to busy criticizing the old MCC events because we killed 1million clones during a weekend event or no event, so it was not even a "Challenge" making me have no reason to care what people do as we hit a million clones all the time. But now that this is an actual challenge and their is a chance we might not get it things are actually interesting. Let me lay down might opinion about proto players and the MCC. If all players were to use BPO/Milita gear you would not get anywhere near 5 Mil. Why do i say this? I see everyone say don't worry about capturing objectives you just need to kill as many clones as possible during one match. This in theory makes sense when you do not take in the consideration of how long the match lasts. Everyone talking about total kills and not kill efficiency. A squad of proto players can mow down 150 Militia clones much faster than a squad of Militia players can take down a 150 Militia clones. Now what do the peasants b*tch and moan about 24/7? Matchmaking? Yes match making. Every thread made about match making is something along the lines of "I keep getting put up against a squad of proto players, and my team is a bunch of random blueberries." That situation right there is what gets the most kills. Militia vs Militia might get good fights but it will not drive up the numbers of kill. A squad of proto stompers, that are faster, stronger and smarter will get more kills when fighting militia players. Never hear people say two squads of proto stompers are fighting each other. If that happen, that would be the only half reasonable argument for why protostompers would lose us this event. A thought experiment: Game #1: Game mode is ambush, 75 clones. one side is filled with 16 protostompers in the most try hard slayer fits they have. The other side is 16 militia noobs. Game #2: Game mode is ambush, 75 clones. one side filled with 16 militia players, the other side also another 15 militia players. Which game will hit 75 clones killed fastest? Game#1 without a doubt. Sure game#2 will get more clones in one match but it will take much longer to finish the game while the players from Game#1 are already in the next game stomping and killing. You can either tell me Match making is bad or you can tell me protostompers will lose us this event, but you can not tell me both. It might not be the nice way or the right way for Dust's direction to be heading, and hopefully things will change, but it is the current way things are done. TL;DR: If you think that if everyone was wearing militia gear you have a higher likelihood of winning the 5MCC, you are wrong... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 487	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:26:00 - [2] - Quote []enjoy :-)[/url] Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7370	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:27:00 - [3] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: []enjoy :-)[/url] http://puu.sh/gpzR2/720f441401.png very enjoyable. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 487	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:28:00 - [4] - Quote just dont ask Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2505	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:30:00 - [5] - Quote If everyone used Militia Minmatar Light frames with Basic Scrambler Rifles/Shotguns, while only using Damage Mods and Stamina Mods in their slots, the kill counts would go through the roof. Dont even try to deny it... Home at Last <3
Michael-J-Fox Richards The Scope Gallente Federation 226	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:38:00 - [6] - Quote BOOM! the TC just laid some knowledge down on your crybaby asses that was like an atom bomb going off on a chicken necked limp wristed bad postured teenage mcdonalds workers face oh my god that was like a war crime I got that john elway arm to proficiency level 5.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1919	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:42:00 - [7] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: If everyone used Militia Minmatar Light frames with Basic Scrambler Rifles/Shotguns, while only using Damage Mods and Stamina Mods in their slots, the kill counts would go through the roof. Dont even try to deny it... My event fit as follows: Quafe Minmatar Assault Quafe CR Toxin Sub Locus Grenade One complex light damage mod One profile precision One complex kincat One profile damp suit cost is negligible speed feels good getting right up on people like a death spewing rage zombie feels good Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 487	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:43:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: []enjoy :-)[/url] http://puu.sh/gpzR2/720f441401.png very enjoyable. XD **** ups of 2015 Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Vicious Minotaur 2062	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:45:00 - [9] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: ... ... but it is the current way things are done. ... Which is to say: the antithesis of fun. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:50:00 - [10] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: If everyone used Militia Minmatar Light frames with Basic Scrambler Rifles/Shotguns, while only using Damage Mods and Stamina Mods in their slots, the kill counts would go through the roof. Dont even try to deny it... If you want be that much of a relativist, if one team kept spawning in one CRU with no hp mods onto a team of proto users the kills would also go through the roof... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps

jordy mack WarRavens 335	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:50:00 - [11] - Quote im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. Less QQ more PewPew
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 7844	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:52:00 - [12] - Quote The only people making threads about proto stomping and the event are proto stompers. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:52:00 - [13] - Quote jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 944	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:53:00 - [14] - Quote More people stomp - more people stop playing. If CCP won't fix matchmaking, they won't get new players [customers]. About this event. It's bad. Uniteresting. This event means only one thing : you have to face exactly the same people everytime just to get something you'll never use. Loyal to State Mejt0's Sale List Offering help via mails
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:54:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The only people making threads about proto stomping and the event are proto stompers. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195200&find=unread CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1919	Posted - 2015.03.07 01:55:00 - [16] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? You are Amarr. You don't know when you're wrong. It's in your blood. Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7371	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:01:00 - [17] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? You are Amarr. You don't know when you're wrong. It's in your blood. Hard to know when you are wrong when you are right 99% of the time i guess... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8266	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:02:00 - [18] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? 2 sides almost cloning out > One side cloning out the other with minor clone loss. Queuing times are a transactional cost. The more death that can be done in one battle, the limited the affects of transactional costs. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1194	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:04:00 - [19] - Quote Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8266	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:07:00 - [20] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill Also a very good point. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17512	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:14:00 - [21] - Quote Was Officer Stomping today to get my 3 wins using your Laser Rifle! "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1922	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:18:00 - [22] - Quote Playing recklessly and without any regards to safety or self preservation will create a larger body count. Guarding your suits, playing cautiously, letting a logi do something other than throw down more ammo, is a waste of time. Throw yourself into the pandemonium! Let chaos guide you! Become death, eat death, give death, and receive death! Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 708	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:22:00 - [23] - Quote Viktor, a lot of the time you are correct in what you say, so it saddens me to have to say you are wrong this time. You're saying that stompers are helping kill clones faster? It is true that they kill faster than mlt wielding mercs. However, unfortunately they are also playing normally, I.E. destroying uplinks. They are making games longer by forcing the enemy team to have to travel further distances. Their Logi's are reviving them when they die, thus costing the event total a clone everytime they do so, all in the interest of saving isk. Now, if Stompers were leaving uplinks on the field, and Logi's were not repping or reviving them, you'd be correct. But like I said, unfortunately this is not so. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:42:00 - [24] - Quote I watched Frost Kitty tear people up in full proto. My hat was off. The guy stayed in the thick of battle, was meticulous in his lines and killed like banshee from the depths of hell. He went something like 46-4. I killed him once using a BPO. I went 8-14, but I never stopped coming at them...had trouble making it into the fight because some testicle deficient scrubs put uplinks on the roof and were hiding like a bunch of Carebear Cousins. If you can run numbers like that I don't care what you do. If you're using a Proto heavy and 2 logis running needles and reps, I want to punch you so hard that your children's children are born without souls. Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:16:00 - [25] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Viktor, a lot of the time you are correct in what you say, so it saddens me to have to say you are wrong this time. You're saying that stompers are helping kill clones faster? It is true that they kill faster than mlt wielding mercs. However, unfortunately they are also playing normally, I.E. destroying uplinks. They are making games longer by forcing the enemy team to have to travel further distances. Their Logi's are reviving them when they die, thus costing the event total a clone everytime they do so, all in the interest of saving isk. Now, if Stompers were leaving uplinks on the field, and Logi's were not repping or reviving them, you'd be correct. But like I said, unfortunately this is not so. your saying this as if people in BPO's and militia suits don't use rep tools and nanite injectors. Now that i think of it, i don't even have a suit with a nanite injector... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:26:00 - [26] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Playing recklessly and without any regards to safety or self preservation will create a larger body count. Guarding your suits, playing cautiously, letting a logi do something other than throw down more ammo, is a waste of time. Throw yourself into the pandemonium! Let chaos guide you! Become death, eat death, give death, and receive death! Systematic killing > reckless game play. faster kills, faster matches. Large body count in a game maybe, but not efficient. 150 kills in 10 minutes > 300 kills in 30 minutes CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:27:00 - [27] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill I'm not assuming i know this because people are still playing this game today and proto stomping has been going on for years, yet there are still people to stomp. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1564	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:27:00 - [28] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? Your argument is that the most clones are killed with Sharks and Goldfish. All Goldfish or all Sharks make for fun games, not slaughters and slaughters is what will win this event. The problem is that no one likes to always be a Goldfish, they either quit or become Sharks themselves, mostly they quit or quit trying. You can blame the Goldfish but it is equally valid to blame the Sharks. If the Sharks force people to quit or hide then there is less overall killing and we have a few poor Goldfish doing all the dying. Because, that's why.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2548	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:28:00 - [29] - Quote I like how this event is providing data to see where weapons (and suits) are at. Inb4 nerfs Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 710	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:28:00 - [30] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Viktor, a lot of the time you are correct in what you say, so it saddens me to have to say you are wrong this time. You're saying that stompers are helping kill clones faster? It is true that they kill faster than mlt wielding mercs. However, unfortunately they are also playing normally, I.E. destroying uplinks. They are making games longer by forcing the enemy team to have to travel further distances. Their Logi's are reviving them when they die, thus costing the event total a clone everytime they do so, all in the interest of saving isk. Now, if Stompers were leaving uplinks on the field, and Logi's were not repping or reviving them, you'd be correct. But like I said, unfortunately this is not so. your saying this as if people in BPO's and militia suits don't use rep tools and nanite injectors. Now that i think of it, i don't even have a suit with a needle, when i run around in squads with proto players a guy who has a needle is the least of our concerns. I never actually specified which kind of suit the Logis were in all fairness. I'm in full mlt, because I'm part of the Militia Madness event. Otherwise, I'd only be running Roden Galmando with PLC and Breach AR, all STD mods. R-9 Uplinks though, to have them near the Frontline. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:31:00 - [31] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? Your argument is that the most clones are killed with Sharks and Goldfish. All Goldfish or all Sharks make for fun games, not slaughters and slaughters is what will win this event. The problem is that no one likes to always be a Goldfish, they either quit or become Sharks themselves, mostly they quit or quit trying. You can blame the Goldfish but it is equally valid to blame the Sharks. If the Sharks force people to quit or hide then there is less overall killing and we have a few poor Goldfish doing all the dying. Yet people are still playing this game. If everyone but proto players quit, there would only be proto vs proto pub matches but i never hear people talk about that. I always hear is people saying they are always getting stomped by proto squads. and they have been getting stomped by proto squads for years but they are still here. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2121	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:52:00 - [32] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: You can either tell me Match making is bad or you can tell me protostompers will lose us this event, but you can not tell me both. Match making is bad and protostompers will lose us this event. I can tell you both because both are true; match making is bad, this is a known fact. Protostompers will lose us this event because nobody wants to get stomped every match so they're going to do something else, lowering the number of people actually playing during the event which of course means not only will it take longer to reach 5 mil but it also means that any given person still playing will have to get even more kills than they normally can to have any hope of reaching 5 mil within the time frame we have. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! Rated [TV-MA]
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8267	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:54:00 - [33] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: Playing recklessly and without any regards to safety or self preservation will create a larger body count. Guarding your suits, playing cautiously, letting a logi do something other than throw down more ammo, is a waste of time. Throw yourself into the pandemonium! Let chaos guide you! Become death, eat death, give death, and receive death! Systematic killing > reckless game play. faster kills, faster matches. Large body count in a game maybe, but not efficient. 150 kills in 10 minutes > 300 kills in 30 minutes 300 clones in 30 minutes per battle at 10 battles is better than 150 clones in 10 minutes per battle at 5 battles due to people not wanting to play and having fewer people playing fewer battles. More people playing equals more deaths, more people having fun equals more people playing. More people being stomped means less people having fun and less people playing. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7372	Posted - 2015.03.07 04:22:00 - [34] - Quote there has been the same amount of people playing thought proto stomping for a long time. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
ReGnYuM Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 3537	Posted - 2015.03.07 04:42:00 - [35] - Quote I really do not think the general public understand how efficient some of the top proto squads are at killing. Especially, in regards to ambush. They usually clear ambush in under 3 minutes, and OMS in under 5. A good Ambush squad should consist of Gal Logi (Full proto scans) and then High Assault DPS combo's. For example, Minmatar +ARR or Amarr+ScR etc No one likes being stomped, but it is absurd to blame them for lack of killing potential.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1196	Posted - 2015.03.07 04:45:00 - [36] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill I'm not assuming i know this because people are still playing this game today and proto stomping has been going on for years, yet there are still people to stomp. Your argument: Protostomping has always been here and people still play this game. Our argument: That's true, but they're choosing not to play this game for the DURATION of this event BECAUSE of the persistent protostomping spam across all gamemodes. Which completely negates your argument that it is actually helping this event. It's not. People are struggling through their 3 victories and immediately leaving. Most people are spamming ambush, praying they get the stomp side. If not, they leave battle immediately. So: Influx of newer/militia players vs protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves New influx of newer/militia players vs Same protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves Eventually no new influx but protostomping team vs protostompers -> X clones die at slower rate The only thing driving the 'new' influx is players just getting on for the day. So we have a playerbase that would like to participate that is being driven away and the same half set being depleted. With a random game here or there that also pulls out proto to even out a match. Which has nothing to do with players still playing the game but everything to do with why this weekend will fail. However, given how much this community is already over this event in mindset, and how CCP hasn't released any numbers (because let's face it, we're not reaching that goal without flat out lying) we can all continue believing what we want, doing the bare minimum and still reap the rewards. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1196	Posted - 2015.03.07 04:46:00 - [37] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I really do not think the general public understand how efficient some of the top proto squads are at killing. Especially, in regards to ambush. They usually clear ambush in under 3 minutes, and OMS in under 5. A good Ambush squad should consist of Gal Logi (Full proto scans) and then High Assault DPS combo's. For example, Minmatar +ARR or Amarr+ScR etc No one likes being stomped, but it is absurd to blame them for lack of killing potential. Efficiency doesn't matter when the pool base to kill is shrinking. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7373	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:00:00 - [38] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill I'm not assuming i know this because people are still playing this game today and proto stomping has been going on for years, yet there are still people to stomp. Your argument: Protostomping has always been here and people still play this game. Our argument: That's true, but they're choosing not to play this game for the DURATION of this event BECAUSE of the persistent protostomping spam across all gamemodes. Which completely negates your argument that it is actually helping this event. It's not. People are struggling through their 3 victories and immediately leaving. Most people are spamming ambush, praying they get the stomp side. If not, they leave battle immediately. So: Influx of newer/militia players vs protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves New influx of newer/militia players vs Same protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves Eventually no new influx but protostomping team vs protostompers -> X clones die at slower rate The only thing driving the 'new' influx is players just getting on for the day. So we have a playerbase that would like to participate that is being driven away and the same half set being depleted. With a random game here or there that also pulls out proto to even out a match. Which has nothing to do with players still playing the game but everything to do with why this weekend will fail. However, given how much this community is already over this event in mindset, and how CCP hasn't released any numbers (because let's face it, we're not reaching that goal without flat out lying) we can all continue believing what we want, doing the bare minimum and still reap the rewards. I never hear anyone saying "There are just so many proto vs proto fights in pubs." I always hear "X proto corp stomped my random team" Why is that if you say "Eventually it will only be proto vs proto." Should eventually not have come by this time. proto stomping been going around for ever. yes "proto vs proto sq's is rare to see in pubs." CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1197	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:07:00 - [39] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: lee corwood wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill I'm not assuming i know this because people are still playing this game today and proto stomping has been going on for years, yet there are still people to stomp. Your argument: Protostomping has always been here and people still play this game. Our argument: That's true, but they're choosing not to play this game for the DURATION of this event BECAUSE of the persistent protostomping spam across all gamemodes. Which completely negates your argument that it is actually helping this event. It's not. People are struggling through their 3 victories and immediately leaving. Most people are spamming ambush, praying they get the stomp side. If not, they leave battle immediately. So: Influx of newer/militia players vs protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves New influx of newer/militia players vs Same protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves Eventually no new influx but protostomping team vs protostompers -> X clones die at slower rate The only thing driving the 'new' influx is players just getting on for the day. So we have a playerbase that would like to participate that is being driven away and the same half set being depleted. With a random game here or there that also pulls out proto to even out a match. Which has nothing to do with players still playing the game but everything to do with why this weekend will fail. However, given how much this community is already over this event in mindset, and how CCP hasn't released any numbers (because let's face it, we're not reaching that goal without flat out lying) we can all continue believing what we want, doing the bare minimum and still reap the rewards. I never hear anyone saying "There are just so many proto vs proto fights in pubs." I always hear "X proto corp stomped my random team" Why is that if you say "Eventually it will only be proto vs proto." Should eventually not have come by this time. proto stomping been going around for ever. yes "proto vs proto sq's is rare to see in pubs." Again. You're not reading my words. Proto has been here forever. I'm agreeing with you. People still play this game, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying people are leaving THIS EVENT. Not the game forever. For this EVENT. Hence, eventually because no one wants to stick around for THIS EVENT, protos are actually finding each other in matches between the influx of players actually trying for their 3 wins within THIS EVENT. Which is why your argument that protostomping is helping THIS EVENT is invalid. Not sure how I can make that any clearer... Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7373	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:19:00 - [40] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: lee corwood wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: lee corwood wrote: Nice argument but you're assuming that the people who are getting repeatedly stomped are STAYING to continue the slaughter. Less players willing to give a **** and stay around = less numbers to kill I'm not assuming i know this because people are still playing this game today and proto stomping has been going on for years, yet there are still people to stomp. Your argument: Protostomping has always been here and people still play this game. Our argument: That's true, but they're choosing not to play this game for the DURATION of this event BECAUSE of the persistent protostomping spam across all gamemodes. Which completely negates your argument that it is actually helping this event. It's not. People are struggling through their 3 victories and immediately leaving. Most people are spamming ambush, praying they get the stomp side. If not, they leave battle immediately. So: Influx of newer/militia players vs protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves New influx of newer/militia players vs Same protostompers -> X clones die \| few clones die = influx leaves Eventually no new influx but protostomping team vs protostompers -> X clones die at slower rate The only thing driving the 'new' influx is players just getting on for the day. So we have a playerbase that would like to participate that is being driven away and the same half set being depleted. With a random game here or there that also pulls out proto to even out a match. Which has nothing to do with players still playing the game but everything to do with why this weekend will fail. However, given how much this community is already over this event in mindset, and how CCP hasn't released any numbers (because let's face it, we're not reaching that goal without flat out lying) we can all continue believing what we want, doing the bare minimum and still reap the rewards. I never hear anyone saying "There are just so many proto vs proto fights in pubs." I always hear "X proto corp stomped my random team" Why is that if you say "Eventually it will only be proto vs proto." Should eventually not have come by this time. proto stomping been going around for ever. yes "proto vs proto sq's is rare to see in pubs." Again. You're not reading my words. Proto has been here forever. I'm agreeing with you. People still play this game, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying people are leaving THIS EVENT. Not the game forever. For this EVENT. Hence, eventually because no one wants to stick around for THIS EVENT, protos are actually finding each other in matches between the influx of players actually trying for their 3 wins within THIS EVENT. Which is why your argument that protostomping is helping THIS EVENT is invalid. Not sure how I can make that any clearer... I still don't see proto vs proto during this event. it is still generally proto vs randoms Also if people are pushing to run militia for the solo purpose of dying. So would it not be to the advantage of those who run around in militia just to die. You die quicker to proto weapons. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps

Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2509	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:22:00 - [41] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I really do not think the general public understand how efficient some of the top proto squads are at killing. Especially, in regards to ambush. They usually clear ambush in under 3 minutes, and OMS in under 5. A good Ambush squad should consist of Gal Logi (Full proto scans) and then High Assault DPS combo's. For example, Minmatar +ARR or Amarr+ScR etc No one likes being stomped, but it is absurd to blame them for lack of killing potential. That kind of logic may work for like... 5% of the guys running proto to protect their K/D. The other 95% of them that can't end an ambush in 2-3 minutes need to suck it up and field shitfits to increase clone losses overall. Home at Last <3
punksnowmash The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 87	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:26:00 - [42] - Quote Glad to see your trying to defend this but your just dead wrong. Not everyone has the isk or the people to play with to stomp, you know some of us if not the majority of the playerbase treats this as what it is...A game. You know? Not something thats just gonna cause a whole lot of frustration just barely getting in their three wins and just constantly losing match after match. People just stop playing at that point because its no longer fun anymore and the playerbase shrinks some more. Just cause you can stomp doesn't help the event, the players, or the game. Stop trying to justify it.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7373	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:28:00 - [43] - Quote punksnowmash wrote: Glad to see your trying to defend this but your just dead wrong. Not everyone has the isk or the people to play with to stomp, you know some of us if not the majority of the playerbase treats this as what it is...A game. You know? Not something thats just gonna cause a whole lot of frustration just barely getting in their three wins and just constantly losing match after match. People just stop playing at that point because its no longer fun anymore and the playerbase shrinks some more. Just cause you can stomp doesn't help the event, the players, or the game. Stop trying to justify it. I'm not talking about the health of this game over all. i'm talking about getting the numbers for this event. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
punksnowmash The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 88	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:31:00 - [44] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: punksnowmash wrote: Glad to see your trying to defend this but your just dead wrong. Not everyone has the isk or the people to play with to stomp, you know some of us if not the majority of the playerbase treats this as what it is...A game. You know? Not something thats just gonna cause a whole lot of frustration just barely getting in their three wins and just constantly losing match after match. People just stop playing at that point because its no longer fun anymore and the playerbase shrinks some more. Just cause you can stomp doesn't help the event, the players, or the game. Stop trying to justify it. I'm not talking about the health of this game over all. i'm talking about getting the numbers for this event. Getting numbers is important, but from experience from all the last MCCs' we've had in the past. This one has the worst stomps of all.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1200	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:43:00 - [45] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I still don't see proto vs proto during this event. it is still generally proto vs randoms Also if people are pushing to run militia for the solo purpose of dying. So would it not be to the advantage of those who run around in militia just to die. You die quicker to proto weapons. Then you haven't played enough, cause I have seen it. I think you think people want to be selfless and just join battles over and over to stand still to feed numbers. If that's all they cared about, teams would just qsync in mass, line up uplinks and take turns. Could churn through all the clones on both sides in less than 3 mins. But instead what you're trying to justify is a small group of players killing all other players without a fight to win this event. That sounds like (one sided) fun. Not like people play a game to actually, you know, play. Oh, also, hope you're that one random who gets in with exectioners at least 3 times, because without 3 wins, none of this event matters. It's anything but nieve to think protostompers are doing anything but stroking their own kdrs. Protostompers have more than enough passive skills in weapons to make a basic suit deadly. They're choosing not to for the sake of their kdr. Not for this precious event. I'm not sure where your going about "complaining" about proto versus proto. Who would complain about that? Players of equal skill and gear going against each other. Well! That just sounds fair! Meanwhile, players of significant skill advantage vs underskilled disadvantaged noobs. Who would ever complain about that? That doesn't sound like the broken match making we've been bitching about for years. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
jordy mack WarRavens 336	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:45:00 - [46] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? if these wonderfull folk here havnt explained it enuff it's the motivation of the enemy that matters. u have to give them some incentive like a 1 in 10 chance that they can actually kill u, or get the hack off ect. then they will keep coming back for another 10 suicide runs at ur proto squad. but if u demoralize them to the point where 25% of the team goes sniping and tanking or just plain hiding from u then there are less ppl for u to stomp yes? first u must give them hope... :) Less QQ more PewPew
Rinzler XVII KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 327	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:57:00 - [47] - Quote Viktor this argument is just so out of touch it's laughable if you meant your post as anything other than a massive troll!! Do you seriously believe what you said because it's just ludicrous and makes me wonder if you actually play the game? I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1564	Posted - 2015.03.07 09:36:00 - [48] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? Your argument is that the most clones are killed with Sharks and Goldfish. All Goldfish or all Sharks make for fun games, not slaughters and slaughters is what will win this event. The problem is that no one likes to always be a Goldfish, they either quit or become Sharks themselves, mostly they quit or quit trying. You can blame the Goldfish but it is equally valid to blame the Sharks. If the Sharks force people to quit or hide then there is less overall killing and we have a few poor Goldfish doing all the dying. Yet people are still playing this game. If everyone but proto players quit, there would only be proto vs proto pub matches but i never hear people talk about that. I always hear is people saying they are always getting stomped by proto squads. and they have been getting stomped by proto squads for years but they are still here. Yes, some people are masochists. What do you think the attrition rate is on this game? I know I've brought about 10 people into it and they all quit. I continue to play and still get continually protostomped or I am on the team stomping. That doesn't invalidate anything I wrote earlier. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1564	Posted - 2015.03.07 09:38:00 - [49] - Quote Oh, and I used to try even when getting stomped. Now I know the outcome in the first minute and I'll go hide and try to be a nuisance if a stomp is coming and I'll go fly loop de loops if my team is stomping. Because, that's why.
Jack the Rlpper OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 46	Posted - 2015.03.07 09:39:00 - [50] - Quote Hi I'm here looking for any active chats currently on Dust 514 tht I could join to squad up with vets to train me if possible i am an overall decent player but i am looking to better myself i have 60mil lifetime sp with all 5 infantry roles maxed out cores maxed out and the weapons i like to use maxed out. Scout GK.0 Assault MK.0 Logi MK.0 Commando MK.0 Sentinel AK.0 60 Mil lifetime sp. Still Going.

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1564	Posted - 2015.03.07 09:49:00 - [51] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: there has been the same amount of people playing thought proto stomping for a long time. Exactly, the same number of people playing although there have been literally millions who have tried the game. We are not seeing an influx of new or inactive players for the event and the ones playing are reacting as always. No one wants to get stomped even harder than normal. No new players, no new dynamics, just the same old grind. I don't know what the normal number of clone deaths is but it won't be much different. If that gives us 5 million then it does but I'm not going to offer myself as fodder to the protosquads and I doubt if anyone else will either. I honestly don't think stomping the event is much of an issue, the eveny itself is lackluster and protostomping, or lack of segregation of players, is just THE biggest issue in Dust and it effects nearly everything. Because, that's why.
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 130	Posted - 2015.03.07 10:04:00 - [52] - Quote LOL go ahead and defend protostomping, yes you are right in your points about killing faster and match making but here is the KEY to breaking your reasons. Most people see a full squad of protostompers and say "FORGET THIS!" they are not going to run out there just to get killed with no chance of killing them back. that is just the simple truth. not counting noobs. I have seem less clone outs in the 5MCC due to this fact. if it was adv or basic gear squads you think this "i have a chance to kill them" which would cause you to be more likely to fight it out and that would cause more clone outs. Besides who ever thought of this was not thinking about a few tings . FIRST during the week when less people are on and those when they are on have less time to play. SECOND 5 days for 5 million clones? it took 3 weekend days to get 2 .5million and that was on the WEEKEND when more players are on. THRID the rewards are not that great. yes the event BPOs is nice but 1000 warbarge components IS A BIG JOKE when levels 2-3 & 3-4 cost 2700 to 10,000 components so if it was 5,000 would have been more of a reward and 20 keys are ok but when I can get 1 to 5 keys a day from daily mission so what is 20 keys, nothing really, 35 keys would have been a lot more of a reason to play more and try harder to get the clone kills.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 470	Posted - 2015.03.07 10:51:00 - [53] - Quote You know, after reading this I just can't stop thinking about this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72nK7APr6Xs You hear that you militia scrubs? Get up off the porch like your proto masters! Lol. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3178	Posted - 2015.03.07 16:02:00 - [54] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? You are Amarr. You don't know when you're wrong. It's in your blood. Hard to know when you are wrong when you are right 99% of the time i guess... Wow..... Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Green Living Gallente Gay Swag Club 1388	Posted - 2015.03.07 16:47:00 - [55] - Quote I love playing against Carne Con Pappe squad on my 600k so alt. So much fun!
Nirwanda Vaughns 1495	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:20:00 - [56] - Quote PRO vs MLT most the guys in my pub channels have gotten bored, logged in for the 1 win for the day and went to play destiny. means less players to kill and less games being played at once MLT vs MLT more balanced games means more players stay around and more games happening at once and a higher kill count over time Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7373	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:44:00 - [57] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: PRO vs MLT most the guys in my pub channels have gotten bored, logged in for the 1 win for the day and went to play destiny. means less players to kill and less games being played at once MLT vs MLT more balanced games means more players stay around and more games happening at once and a higher kill count over time Sounds like a twitch shooter, to simple why not play CoD at that point... CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 881	Posted - 2015.03.07 18:01:00 - [58] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: TL;DR: If you think that if everyone was wearing militia gear you have a higher likelihood of winning the 5MCC, you are wrong... In a perfect world maybe... But if you don't ignore that people are going to run away and make it harder for the proto players to kill them, because we don't want to pad their kdr and be bored, while they get to go about their daily 'pew pew' to feed their epeen. militia vs militia, no one cares about dieing, so there's very little 'chase,' just a whole lot of people running at each other head first, hoping for the best. Now if the proto-stompers want to split the roles evenly, one match one team is proto and the next match those players take the role of militia lemmings... But that's not going to happen, because it's just an excuse to pad their kdr.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7373	Posted - 2015.03.07 18:16:00 - [59] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: TL;DR: If you think that if everyone was wearing militia gear you have a higher likelihood of winning the 5MCC, you are wrong... In a perfect world maybe... But if you don't ignore that people are going to run away and make it harder for the proto players to kill them, because we don't want to pad their kdr and be bored, while they get to go about their daily 'pew pew' to feed their epeen. militia vs militia, no one cares about dieing, so there's very little 'chase,' just a whole lot of people running at each other head first, hoping for the best. Now if the proto-stompers want to split the roles evenly, one match one team is proto and the next match those players take the role of militia lemmings... But that's not going to happen, because it's just an excuse to pad their kdr. That's pretty selfish of you by running away, at least i am helping out by killing many noobs. CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2123	Posted - 2015.03.07 18:35:00 - [60] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I still don't see proto vs proto during this event. it is still generally proto vs randoms Honestly, this is what I've generally seen too (proto vs random) which is why I've hardly played any during the event. Not that I played much before (for pretty much the same reason) but I was going to play the hell out of this event and I was willing to set aside my play to win attitude and just play to kill and die. The last "and" being the key word there, it's still either you're killing or you're dying, not much of both in the same match. Doesn't matter which side of the stomp I'm on; I've got better things to do than waste my time on boring/frustrating matches . Hell, watching my carpet grow is a better use of my time. Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster! Rated [TV-MA]

Worthless Target Extra Padding 18	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:09:00 - [61] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: TL;DR: If you think that if everyone was wearing militia gear you have a higher likelihood of winning the 5MCC, you are wrong... In a perfect world maybe... But if you don't ignore that people are going to run away and make it harder for the proto players to kill them, because we don't want to pad their kdr and be bored, while they get to go about their daily 'pew pew' to feed their epeen. militia vs militia, no one cares about dieing, so there's very little 'chase,' just a whole lot of people running at each other head first, hoping for the best. Now if the proto-stompers want to split the roles evenly, one match one team is proto and the next match those players take the role of militia lemmings... But that's not going to happen, because it's just an excuse to pad their kdr. But don't you see? That is what the game is all about: stomp or be stomped. If you do not wish to be padding for someone's KDR, then put on full proto, otherwise you are nothing more then just padding. I wish more people could see that. Embrace the stomp
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 881	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:14:00 - [62] - Quote Worthless Target wrote: But don't you see? That is what the game is all about: stomp or be stomped. If you do not wish to be padding for someone's KDR, then put on full proto, otherwise you are nothing more then just padding. I wish more people could see that. Game - yes (I do... well I use adv suits, sometimes with protato turrets on mah vehicles!) Event - no (We have a time limit, so increasing the number of kills per minute is more important than how fast you drop someones hp, if you can catch them before they run away.)
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 881	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:16:00 - [63] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: That's pretty selfish of you by running away, at least i am helping out by killing many noobs. By that logic, I'm helping too, when I sneak up on a protato and kill them... However I can't really go head first with a cheap suit and get that kill... Hence the run and survive to fight another day tactic... The same tactic the protato stompers are using, with their logi's and needles.
Worthless Target Extra Padding 18	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:26:00 - [64] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Worthless Target wrote: But don't you see? That is what the game is all about: stomp or be stomped. If you do not wish to be padding for someone's KDR, then put on full proto, otherwise you are nothing more then just padding. I wish more people could see that. Game - yes (I do... well I use adv suits, sometimes with protato turrets on mah vehicles!) Event - no (We have a time limit, so increasing the number of kills per minute is more important than how fast you drop someones hp, if you can catch them before they run away.) Maybe I have not made myself clear enough. Proto stomping is what Dust 514 is all about. No one cares about an even game, if they did then proto stomping wouldn't be a problem in the first place. The problem isn't with the proto stompers, but that you think you are ment to fight them. No, that's not how it works. You are simply padding for their KDR, that is all you are, and all you ever will be until you can walk among the stompers yourself in full proto. Stomp or get stomped, that is how the game is supposed to work. Embrace the stomp
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 881	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:30:00 - [65] - Quote Worthless Target wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Worthless Target wrote: But don't you see? That is what the game is all about: stomp or be stomped. If you do not wish to be padding for someone's KDR, then put on full proto, otherwise you are nothing more then just padding. I wish more people could see that. Game - yes (I do... well I use adv suits, sometimes with protato turrets on mah vehicles!) Event - no (We have a time limit, so increasing the number of kills per minute is more important than how fast you drop someones hp, if you can catch them before they run away.) Maybe I have not made myself clear enough. Proto stomping is what Dust 514 is all about. No one cares about an even game, if they did then proto stomping wouldn't be a problem in the first place. The problem isn't with the proto stompers, but that you think you are ment to fight them. No, that's not how it works. You are simply padding for their KDR, that is all you are, and all you ever will be until you can walk among the stompers yourself in full proto. Stomp or get stomped, that is how the game is supposed to work. Except, that I can fight them if I feel like it and have the team to do it... If everyone is in Proto, then there's no stomp. The purpose of my comment, is that this 'usual' approach will not work for the 'event' I could care less about your view on the 'game.'
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 767	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:32:00 - [66] - Quote Clearly Viktor wants attention. All I see in his OP is crap. Crap thay lacks "support" aka evidence in order to back it up. You think proto stompers end the matches quick ? Are you kidding me, that is bull. What game are you playing ? ( -í° -£-û -í°) Send your isk here! (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Worthless Target Extra Padding 18	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:41:00 - [67] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Worthless Target wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Worthless Target wrote: But don't you see? That is what the game is all about: stomp or be stomped. If you do not wish to be padding for someone's KDR, then put on full proto, otherwise you are nothing more then just padding. I wish more people could see that. Game - yes (I do... well I use adv suits, sometimes with protato turrets on mah vehicles!) Event - no (We have a time limit, so increasing the number of kills per minute is more important than how fast you drop someones hp, if you can catch them before they run away.) Maybe I have not made myself clear enough. Proto stomping is what Dust 514 is all about. No one cares about an even game, if they did then proto stomping wouldn't be a problem in the first place. The problem isn't with the proto stompers, but that you think you are ment to fight them. No, that's not how it works. You are simply padding for their KDR, that is all you are, and all you ever will be until you can walk among the stompers yourself in full proto. Stomp or get stomped, that is how the game is supposed to work. Except, that I can fight them if I feel like it and have the team to do it... If everyone is in Proto, then there's no stomp. The purpose of my comment, is that this 'usual' approach will not work for the 'event' I could care less about your view on the 'game.' Ah, I see. Well playing how it's ment to be played can help the event out too, all you have to do is pick a side. Embrace the stomp
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7376	Posted - 2015.03.07 21:30:00 - [68] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Clearly Viktor wants attention. All I see in his OP is crap. Crap thay lacks "support" aka evidence in order to back it up. You think proto stompers end the matches quick ? Are you kidding me, that is bull. What game are you playing ? Ambush CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 770	Posted - 2015.03.07 21:43:00 - [69] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Clearly Viktor wants attention. All I see in his OP is crap. Crap thay lacks "support" aka evidence in order to back it up. You think proto stompers end the matches quick ? Are you kidding me, that is bull. What game are you playing ? Ambush Im intrested in the Templar code. Look at the code section of what Im offering for it. ( -í° -£-û -í°) Send your isk here! (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1220	Posted - 2015.03.07 21:48:00 - [70] - Quote Troll post is good troll. I'm just choosing to view it as such cause logic is failing and this is just too ridiculous to waste more time on. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids

Nirwanda Vaughns 1502	Posted - 2015.03.09 10:03:00 - [71] - Quote scrap that. 48 more hours added Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1973	Posted - 2015.03.09 10:08:00 - [72] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: https://twitter.com/dust514/status/574862634945658880 what happened to the proto stompers saving it? "We didn't care anyways, the prizes weren't what we wanted" ~ Bitter Old Vets. "Extension granted" - Krin "See, told ya CCP was going to give us the stuff anyways" ~ Bitter Old Vets (that are secretly giddy as school girls that they can still get the reward) Hearing the lamentations of Amarr women since 92'.
castba Rogue Instincts Ashtar Federation 818	Posted - 2015.03.09 10:37:00 - [73] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: jordy mack wrote: im starting to like this event. its REALLY obvious who enjoys having fun and contributing and who has an addiction to being a douche. i hope ur reading this garbage ccp, no matter what incentives u offer ppl they will still proto squad and defend it. tell me why i am wrong? There is a greater chance of more clones dying on both sides in your second example. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 909	Posted - 2015.03.09 11:12:00 - [74] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: https://twitter.com/dust514/status/574862634945658880 what happened to the proto stompers saving it? "We didn't care anyways, the prizes weren't what we wanted" ~ Bitter Old Vets. "Extension granted" - Krin "See, told ya CCP was going to give us the stuff anyways" ~ Bitter Old Vets (that are secretly giddy as school girls that they can still get the reward) Yeah, gonna spread some BPO love to my alts. Otherwise Viktors attitude sums up the game perfeclty. Somehow stomping noobs is doing them a favor for the event. You only get those lospided scores with a ton of Logi help, why is anybody using needles and reps in ambush this week i have no idea. 3.2 mil, how did that theory turn out? Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
demonkiller 12 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 646	Posted - 2015.03.09 11:39:00 - [75] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: If everyone used Militia Minmatar Light frames with Basic Scrambler Rifles/Shotguns, while only using Damage Mods and Stamina Mods in their slots, the kill counts would go through the roof. Dont even try to deny it... in the time a 1v1 would happen i would have killed 6 or more with my burst AR


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