See, this is the thing I can't seem to wrap my head around.

Sure, all evidence points to the fact that teams are "balanced" but for some reason we still have these matches where one team just gets completely obliterated to the point where the victor team's MCC only took damage from the loss team's MCC and the victor's still have 100+ clones by the end of the match.

But alas, the only thing that seems to ever happen about this is everyone just says "git gud", ...

Can we just assume that the community doesn't care to fix it and just say that instead of trolling with the "git gud" bits? Can we just admit that we have no interest in changing this?

I think this shows a good reason why 6 man squads may hurt the matchmaker system for public play. In a 4 man system Ready to Play would have been broken into 2 components of 4 likely with a Rank of 1 and 2. This may have ensured that they end up on opposite sides.

Does the MU system have a modifier based on squad member count or is it just a simple sum of it's parts?

Also, I think it reiterates the need to have a release valve for large groups of players through 8-16 man squads in faction warfare and PC away from public play. Raiding and Platoons can't come fast enough along with a reasonable scaling of rewards through these game modes that drives veteran players to them.

Thanks for the insight Rattati

However, if the system works as intended, what is your explanation why we have total stomps one way or the other?
(in your example the two teams Mu were almost identical, right?)

I think a big problem here is some people just won't admit they are bad at dust and blame the matchmaker for their own screw ups or blame their team etc etc.

I personally am not complaining about the Teambuilder itself, it's a relatively simple task to normalise values between 2 arrays.
What I'm concerned about is the actual matchmaker, which itmhas been stated in the past before as being non-exsistent.

How do you choose who is placed into that battle BEFORE the sides are selected. That is to say in the following process.

1.Players enter lobby pool
2. Scotty choose players for the match
3. Scotty moves chosen players to match pool
4. Tommy (Scotty's Team building younger brother) normalises teams from their MU Averages
5. Match begins

What is happening in step 2, why is it happening like that and could it be improved.

FACT: Stomps will happen every once in a while no matter what...

I think a big problem here is some people just won't admit they are bad at dust and blame the matchmaker for their own screw ups or blame their team etc etc.

Dear players,

We have been seeing complaints that the Teambuilder is not working as intended.
...
This has been the case for every single reported/suspected battle of "broken matchmaker" so I still maintain that it is working as intended. ...]

"Every once in awhile" odds of occurrence would be great.
25% to 50% odds of a stomp are not great.

* Estimated stomp frequency, Ambush (Americas)
** Weekends tend to be a 'bit less stompy than weekdays

I don't think there is anything wrong with matchmaking personally. I just think people's ego makes them look for excuses for getting stomped.

I don't think there is anything wrong with matchmaking personally. I just think people's ego makes them look for excuses for getting stomped.

Then you are blind.

Not everyone is hating on getting beaten.

The stomps go both ways and are boring either way.

Working as intended MY ASS!

16 randoms VS full squad is not how balancing teams works. No matter what MU says.

Looking at the WPs, I probably was the only one in my team getting SP. I'm not even mad.

MU modifier for squads needs to be changed and/or we need smaller squads for pubs.


Special thanks to NF. This would not have been possible without you guys!

I hope this is somewhat related; Can we *please* get some sort of ELO system implemented in faction warfare. I am regularly seeing players that have under 1000 lifetime kills get utterly smashed by q-syncs of veterans that can have upwards of 70 000 each.

This game mode has been greatly affected by what I believe is bad behaviour on the playerbases part, and when you have the "elite" kicking the teeth of newbs in, the community loses more potential players. It's nearly impossible to get matches started until afternoon in the states due to FW being in such an unhealthy spot. The decision that FW should be a training ground for pc is wrong and seriously needs to be addressed.

Afking also needs to be addressed as even some well known forum goers have been known to afk through FW matches all day just because of the apex suits.

Hahaha, holy kitten that is amazing.

I'm just going to say "git gud" before someone else does because that's literally all I can say; I'm totally speechless, that is a 100% stomp. Good to know that the MU system is working though because that totally means you guys just screwed off that whole match, right? /sarcasm

God, it's kitten like this that I can't fathom. 15 Players didn't get SP but for some reason the Minimum WP is now a requirement because of all the dumb arguments that "if you can't get 150 WP you need to delete the game". Might as well just stand in a corner and stare at the wall for fifteen minutes. Probably more productive than wasting time -AND- ISK.

This will never be fixed. I'd be surprised if they even came back to it and tweaked it. This is just how Dust 514 is going to work from now on, at least until some other hairbrained idea comes along - who knows, maybe they'll increase the Minimum WP requirement to earn SP to 500 or something bcause #reasons.

By the way, is there some terribly expensive coding impediment to putting more than 16 people on one team, and fewer than 16 on the other team, while still capping the total people in the match at 32?

How much of the problem for teambuilder of balancing a single 6 man practically-infinite-Mu squad is resolved by putting them up against the other 26 people in the match? The huge newbie team would also need a disproportionate number of clones, maybe 250 v 50 instead of 150 v 150.

By the way, is there some terribly expensive coding impediment to putting more than 16 people on one team, and fewer than 16 on the other team, while still capping the total people in the match at 32?

How much of the problem for teambuilder of balancing a single 6 man practically-infinite-Mu squad is resolved by putting them up against the other 26 people in the match? The huge newbie team would also need a disproportionate number of clones, maybe 250 v 50 instead of 150 v 150.