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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
564
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:13:00 -
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I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0. All 80,000 aurum went into my warbarge. Let's crunch some numbers shall we...
This is what 80,000 aurum got me:
Warbarge level: 4
Mobile Factory level: 3 - 400 components per day
Market Network level: 2 - 83,941 isk per day
Augmented Ammunition Facility level: 1 - 2% damage
Neural Battle Statistics Center level: 1 - 3,000SP per day
80,000 aurum. 1 component = 3 aurum. It comes out to roughly 27,000 components for 80,000 aurum.
^^^That's what I got for 27,000 components. Now, I wanted to upgrade my Mobile Factory as high as I could get it, so I could produce more components per day and not have to buy aurum, but after upgrading it to level 3, it costs 29,512 components just for the cooldown. 
In order for someone to get everything that I have now, without spending aurum, it would take them roughly 6 months. It's freaking ridiculous. Dust is officially Pay-to-win.
Mobile Factory level 1: 200 components per day = 5,600 components per month.
Mobile Factory level 2: 300 components per day = 8,400 components per month.
Mobile Factory level 3: 400 components per day = 11,200 components per month.
Mobile Factory level 4: 500 components per day = 14,000 components per month.
Crazy man.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
502
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:16:00 -
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Oh boy 2% damage and a bunch of minor things. Clearly an unfair advantage.
The State will always survive.
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
565
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:19:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Oh boy 2% damage and a bunch of minor things. Clearly an unfair advantage.
As I said, I invested most of my components into my Mobile Factory. A lot people out there invested a lot into their market or Augmented Ammunition Facility. Some people are running around with 5% damage, and yes that is a big deal, considering most people won't be able to get to 5% until next year.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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One Eyed King
nos nothi
7726
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:22:00 -
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I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W?
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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7th Son 7
BLITZKRIEG7
500
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:25:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0. All 80,000 aurum went into my warbarge. Let's crunch some numbers shall we... This is what 80,000 aurum got me: Warbarge level: 4 Mobile Factory level: 3 - 400 components per day Market Network level: 2 - 83,941 isk per day Augmented Ammunition Facility level: 1 - 2% damage Neural Battle Statistics Center level: 1 - 3,000SP per day 80,000 aurum. 1 component = 3 aurum. It comes out to roughly 27,000 components for 80,000 aurum. ^^^That's what I got for 27,000 components. Now, I wanted to upgrade my Mobile Factory as high as I could get it, so I could produce more components per day and not have to buy aurum, but after upgrading it to level 3, it costs 29,512 components just for the cooldown. In order for someone to get everything that I have now, without spending aurum, it would take them roughly 6 months. It's freaking ridiculous. Dust is officially Pay-to-win. Mobile Factory level 1: 200 components per day = 5,600 components per month. Mobile Factory level 2: 300 components per day = 8,400 components per month. Mobile Factory level 3: 400 components per day = 11,200 components per month. Mobile Factory level 4: 500 components per day = 14,000 components per month. Crazy man.
I ****** love dust, no bs. But until I get some kind of solid word about Legion or being able to transfer all the **** im purchasing in Dust to Legion, im not buying anything else. Ok im buying a ps4 this weekend, but that's it.
Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
565
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:28:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W?
CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
565
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:36:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W?
Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2.
Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot.
SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1!
Over the next 6 months:
Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP.
Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP.
^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win?
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
1222
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:47:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win?
There are other high slot modules?
Also... you're.
Lastly, it's not p2w, it's p2 have a slight advantage. And maybe a bit more money. Anybody who can afford to pay hundreds of dollars across 10 accounts isn't getting laid one bit, and as such they deserve some semblance of life satisfaction.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:51:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? There are other high slot modules? Also... you're. Lastly, it's not p2w, it's p2 have a slight advantage. And maybe a bit more money. Anybody who can affordto pay hundreds of dollars across 10 accounts isn't getting laid one bit, and as such they deserve some semblance of life satisfaction.
STFU! This topic is about stats and principalities. There is no denying this. Twist it any way you want, look at it through every mercs eyes, the outcome is relevant. I could care less really, I just like calling CCP out on their crap.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
452
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:52:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win?
You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY.
Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful.
CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait.
Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free.
I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D
So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character.
If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time....
But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D |
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:53:00 -
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And stop calling people out on their grammar. It just makes you look stupid pointing out the obvious. "You're" better than that.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:58:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D
You think your girlfriend really cares about something like a teddybear? lol. Lemme give you some advice. Save your money all together and do your own thing. If she really loved you, you wouldn't have to buy her anything, she would always be buying you something. Love is never equal. Someone in the relationship always cares a little more than the other. Real talk. You may think that's a bit harsh thing to say, but believe me, that's easy mode right there for ya. lol.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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One Eyed King
nos nothi
7729
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:00:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle.
This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't.
You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W.
The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
452
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:03:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D You think your girlfriend really cares about something like a teddybear? lol. Lemme give you some advice. Save your money all together and do your own thing. If she really loved you, you wouldn't have to buy her anything, she would always be buying you something. Love is never equal. Someone in the relationship always cares a little more than the other. Real talk. You may think that's a bit harsh thing to say, but believe me, that's easy mode right there for ya. lol.
Dude, don't go there because you got no information. My girl? #1 stunna and she does for me all the time and I do for her all the time. We have what you call a functional relationship. Maybe you've heard of that. She's been planning my birthday (2/22/15 w00t w00t) for 6 months haha and she just gave me the most awesome valentines day present early and you know what I did in return? I took her to Atlanta, GA to see Romeo and Juliet at the Atlanta Ballet....we stayed at the Hilton Hotel!
You want to know what she did for me in return? I'll tell ya boss....Mr. Big Burns, she put on the sexiest lingerie you ever saw and woke me up with my rocket in her mouth and then I blasted off to the moon if you feel me son....three times before we woke up and checked out of the hotel...
So yeah....I like how you THINK you know me and you know her....and how you think you know anything and how you absolutely avoided me calling you out about the Dust 514 Pay-to-Win topic and putting you in your place and it makes me laugh...makes me giggle. Like you're tickling my booty hole with a feather...but I bet you get down like that :D
Oops, there I go thinking I know you like you think you know me.....tsk tsk, we gotta work on that holmes. |
Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:04:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair.
The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
58
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:06:00 -
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You can savage some components ... 50 each 200 battles :D |
Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:13:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D You think your girlfriend really cares about something like a teddybear? lol. Lemme give you some advice. Save your money all together and do your own thing. If she really loved you, you wouldn't have to buy her anything, she would always be buying you something. Love is never equal. Someone in the relationship always cares a little more than the other. Real talk. You may think that's a bit harsh thing to say, but believe me, that's easy mode right there for ya. lol. Dude, don't go there because you got no information. My girl? #1 stunna and she does for me all the time and I do for her all the time. We have what you call a functional relationship. Maybe you've heard of that. She's been planning my birthday (2/22/15 w00t w00t) for 6 months haha and she just gave me the most awesome valentines day present early and you know what I did in return? I took her to Atlanta, GA to see Romeo and Juliet at the Atlanta Ballet....we stayed at the Hilton Hotel! You want to know what she did for me in return? I'll tell ya boss....Mr. Big Burns, she put on the sexiest lingerie you ever saw and woke me up with my rocket in her mouth and then I blasted off to the moon if you feel me son....three times before we woke up and checked out of the hotel... So yeah....I like how you THINK you know me and you know her....and how you think you know anything and how you absolutely avoided me calling you out about the Dust 514 Pay-to-Win topic and putting you in your place and it makes me laugh...makes me giggle. Like you're tickling my booty hole with a feather...but I bet you get down like that :D Oops, there I go thinking I know you like you think you know me.....tsk tsk, we gotta work on that holmes.
lol. Nah, man. Just trying to give you some advice. I don't know everything and if what I said offended you in any way, I apologize. Just sounds like "young love" to me. Just don't want to see a fellow merc get heart broken that's all. Maybe you already understand how relationships work, give and take, it just sounded like you were dropping everything into your relationship. Real talk- women want two things. D*ck and money/materials. As long as you're giving them that, then go on and do you're thing and get whatever it is out of her that you like, s*x, attention, love, w/e. Just wanted to make sure you weren't being ignorant. As far as your opinion about my topic...that's your opinion. lol.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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One Eyed King
nos nothi
7730
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:14:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money.
Your perception of Dust being P2W is not a fact, its an opinion.
The facts and numbers are good as others can come to their own opinion based upon that, however having read through those numbers, I came to the exactly opposite conclusion.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
453
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:16:00 -
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Big Burns wrote: lol. Nah, man. Just trying to give you some advice. I don't know everything and if what I said offended you in any way, I apologize. Just sounds like "young love" to me. Just don't want to see a fellow merc get heart broken that's all. Maybe you already understand how relationships work, give and take, it just sounded like you were dropping everything into your relationship. Real talk- women want two things. D*ck and money/materials. As long as you're giving them that, then go on and do you're thing and get whatever it is out of her that you like, s*x, attention, love, w/e. Just wanted to make sure you weren't being ignorant. As far as your opinion about my topic...that's your opinion. lol.
So you back peddling? That's my boy. A reason to eat your heart out, BIG BURNS
OH and LIFE LESSON from her to you...technically from her to TechMechMeds back in the day before he knew what was up, but since you making the same mistakes I thought I'd pay her advice forward to you, Big Burns.
I got nothing but love for you though...but your argument about Dust being pay to win got no foundation bro no legs to stand on thanks for looking out for me and my ticker, you're a gentleman and a scholar for doing so but let me look out for your reputation and your brain in the community and put this tired argument to rest man....just kick back, enjoy your $40 spent and let the game do it the rest of the way.
In 6 months you're a year ahead of me....is that not good enough for you bro? |
Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:16:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money. Your perception of Dust being P2W is not a fact, its an opinion. The facts and numbers are good as others can come to their own opinion based upon that, however having read through those numbers, I came to the exactly opposite conclusion.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green.
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
454
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:20:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green.
I'm sorry to double whammy you bro, but the sky isn't actually blue lol the sky is totally clear and invisible...the blue you see is blue light in the Sun's rays bending more than the red light. Thus the sky looks blue   |
General Mosquito
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:23:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0.
Read that.
Idiot confirmed.
I played one game of Warlords spec Dust, realized it was still a flaming bag of crap, quit out and got back on with life.
Spent $0. Because CCP doesn't deserve money for giving you guys this game to play.
General Butt Naked - Biomassed
The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned
Only 9 more alts to go.
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One Eyed King
nos nothi
7731
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:23:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green.
That can be objectively measured with a spectrometer.
You admitted that the benefits the AUR would bring would take 6 months to a year to achieve without it. Which means you don't NEED to spend AUR in order to get the same benefits.
If Dust were P2W, those benefits would NEVER be achievable WITHOUT AUR. That is the definition of P2W.
I get not liking some of the monetization going on, but throwing out inaccurate labels out of frustration is not constructive in any way, shape, or form.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:24:00 -
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Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?
Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.
Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.
And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.
I'm not bitter.
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:25:00 -
[25] - Quote
Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green.
I'm sorry to double whammy you bro, but the sky isn't actually blue lol the sky is totally clear and invisible...the blue you see is blue light in the Sun's rays bending more than the red light. Thus the sky looks blue
Why did you have to do that. My last comment was totally sarcasm at its best. Now you just ruined me trolling with that guy. lol. And the atmosphere isn't invisible, there are particles flying around everywhere. It just depends on what point of view you're looking from, which brings us full circle on this topic, it's all about perception.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:26:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?
Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.
Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.
And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.
I'm not bitter.
...And that's the other way to put it. lol.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Green Living
Gallente Gay Swag Club
1327
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:27:00 -
[27] - Quote
Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:31:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Big Burns wrote:I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. That can be objectively measured with a spectrometer. You admitted that the benefits the AUR would bring would take 6 months to a year to achieve without it. Which means you don't NEED to spend AUR in order to get the same benefits. If Dust were P2W, those benefits would NEVER be achievable WITHOUT AUR. That is the definition of P2W. I get not liking some of the monetization going on, but throwing out inaccurate labels out of frustration is not constructive in any way, shape, or form.
You're right. There is no such thing as pay-to-win. Unless they provide an in-game option to spend aurum to automatically win matches. Yes you are right, because you can have a merc pay aurum to buy a damage modifier that increases the damage output by 200%, but if they don't know how to use it, then it's not a definite probability. Yes I get what you're saying, you literal mofo. Jeez. Break even with me here.
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G Felix
Terminus Defense Force
513
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:31:00 -
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Not to sound terribly pessimistic, but is the length of time that will be required for the warbarge to be upgraded without sinking Aurum into it possibly longer than the lifespan of DUST altogether? At this point with no indication that DUST will be porting to PS4 or PC, and absolute silence as far as Legion is concerned, how can we accurately asses the time we have to work with?
Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
455
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:33:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?
Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.
Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.
And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.
I'm not bitter.
Aw :( that's a sucky outlook to have on love lol seems like you've been burned before. Would you like to come to my merc quarters and sit on my couch and talk to me about it? My girl is a psychology major and she could walk me through counseling you....mommy issues? commitment issues? We can make it work! We can whip you into shape and have you a new man in no time! 
But yeah, you're totally wrong lol there are millions (AND MILLIONS.....TheRock4TheWinBoots2Asses) of women out there in the world that are wholesome, pure and faithful. They will never cheat and as long as you treat them like every woman should be treated...you're golden.
If women are cheating on you, its because you're not the boss. You're not the alpha male. You're not the don f!cking mega. No woman wants some sissy man who can't provide or spends all his time playing video games or anything else...you have to be the f!cking don bro
So go be the Don....if I ever start a how to be king (see the post with the links linking to my twitter account where my girl says Michael Epic is king) class, I'll be sure to send you a message in game and we'll set you up on Skype and I'll teach you how to be the don mega
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:34:00 -
[31] - Quote
G Felix wrote:Not to sound terribly pessimistic, but is the length of time that will be required for the warbarge to be upgraded without sinking Aurum into it possibly longer than the lifespan of DUST altogether? At this point with no indication that DUST will be porting to PS4 or PC, and absolute silence as far as Legion is concerned, how can we accurately asses the time we have to work with?
You're not trolling my post. This is my topic, scram!! Get get shoo!
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General Mosquito
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:34:00 -
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Big Burns wrote:
You're right. There is no such thing as pay-to-win. Unless they provide an in-game option to spend aurum to automatically win matches. Yes you are right, because you can have a merc pay aurum to buy a damage modifier that increases the damage output by 200%, but if they don't know how to use it, then it's not a definite probability. Yes I get what you're saying, you literal mofo. Jeez. Break even with me here.
Burns, do you remember when there were Light Damage mods that were Aurum only that had better stats? That was Pay to Win. There were others of course, but those of us who know what P2W actually is got them pulled.
Fused Locus only coming from the Merc packs? That was also P2W.
When you have something that is only available for real world money then it is P2W.
Pay to save time is not a valid comparison.
Keep shoveling out that cash to try and be good at a bad game.
General Butt Naked - Biomassed
The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned
Only 9 more alts to go.
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:37:00 -
[33] - Quote
Michael Epic wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?
Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.
Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.
And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.
I'm not bitter. Aw :( that's a sucky outlook to have on love lol seems like you've been burned before. Would you like to come to my merc quarters and sit on my couch and talk to me about it? My girl is a psychology major and she could walk me through counseling you....mommy issues? commitment issues? We can make it work! We can whip you into shape and have you a new man in no time! But yeah, you're totally wrong lol there are millions (AND MILLIONS.....TheRock4TheWinBoots2Asses) of women out there in the world that are wholesome, pure and faithful. They will never cheat and as long as you treat them like every woman should be treated...you're golden. If women are cheating on you, its because you're not the boss. You're not the alpha male. You're not the don f!cking mega. No woman wants some sissy man who can't provide or spends all his time playing video games or anything else...you have to be the f!cking don bro So go be the Don....if I ever start a how to be king (see the post with the links linking to my twitter account where my girl says Michael Epic is king) class, I'll be sure to send you a message in game and we'll set you up on Skype and I'll teach you how to be the don mega BIG BURNS: I was trolling you for the lolz just because haha no harm no foul
You shouldn't troll about real life issues. What if this guy believes everything you just said there^ and then finds out that every woman is a wh*re, then he commits suicide or something. Not cool man, not cool.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:42:00 -
[34] - Quote
General Mosquito wrote:Big Burns wrote:
You're right. There is no such thing as pay-to-win. Unless they provide an in-game option to spend aurum to automatically win matches. Yes you are right, because you can have a merc pay aurum to buy a damage modifier that increases the damage output by 200%, but if they don't know how to use it, then it's not a definite probability. Yes I get what you're saying, you literal mofo. Jeez. Break even with me here.
Burns, do you remember when there were Light Damage mods that were Aurum only that had better stats? That was Pay to Win. There were others of course, but those of us who know what P2W actually is got them pulled. Fused Locus only coming from the Merc packs? That was also P2W. When you have something that is only available for real world money then it is P2W. Pay to save time is not a valid comparison. Keep shoveling out that cash to try and be good at a bad game.
No, that guy was right. Literally speaking, pay-to-win is only paying to win. You can't assume, providing an edge in battle will result in a victory. So, trolls +1, Big Burns 0
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
1281
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:42:00 -
[35] - Quote
Michael Epic wrote:[quote=Eruditus 920]Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?
Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.
Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.
And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.
I'm not bitter.
Aw :( that's a sucky outlook to have on love lol seems like you've been burned before. Would you like to come to my merc quarters and sit on my couch and talk to me about it? My girl is a psychology major and she could walk me through counseling you....mommy issues? commitment issues? We can make it work! We can whip you into shape and have you a new man in no time!
But yeah, you're totally wrong lol there are millions (AND MILLIONS.....TheRock4TheWinBoots2Asses) of women out there in the world that are wholesome, pure and faithful. They will never cheat and as long as you treat them like every woman should be treated...you're golden.
If women are cheating on you, its because you're not the boss. You're not the alpha male. You're not the don f!cking mega. No woman wants some sissy man who can't provide or spends all his time playing video games or anything else...you have to be the f!cking don bro
So go be the Don....if I ever start a how to be king (see the post with the links linking to my twitter account where my girl says Michael Epic is king) class, I'll be sure to send you a message in game and we'll set you up on Skype and I'll teach you how to be the don mega
I'll quote you from a few posts back:
"Dude, don't go there because you got no information."
I was just trying to be funny. You should take your own advice hypocrite.
The fact that you are bragging about how bad ass you think you are on a video game forum tells me you may be the one with issues "bro".
You're probably a virgin living in your mom's basement. My experience is that dudes who talk a lot of shiite like you are full of it and trying to compensate, "bro".
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
455
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:50:00 -
[36] - Quote
Eruditus 920 wrote:Michael Epic wrote:[quote=Eruditus 920]Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?
Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.
Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.
And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.
I'm not bitter. Aw :( that's a sucky outlook to have on love lol seems like you've been burned before. Would you like to come to my merc quarters and sit on my couch and talk to me about it? My girl is a psychology major and she could walk me through counseling you....mommy issues? commitment issues? We can make it work! We can whip you into shape and have you a new man in no time! But yeah, you're totally wrong lol there are millions (AND MILLIONS.....TheRock4TheWinBoots2Asses) of women out there in the world that are wholesome, pure and faithful. They will never cheat and as long as you treat them like every woman should be treated...you're golden. If women are cheating on you, its because you're not the boss. You're not the alpha male. You're not the don f!cking mega. No woman wants some sissy man who can't provide or spends all his time playing video games or anything else...you have to be the f!cking don bro So go be the Don....if I ever start a how to be king (see the post with the links linking to my twitter account where my girl says Michael Epic is king) class, I'll be sure to send you a message in game and we'll set you up on Skype and I'll teach you how to be the don mega I'll quote you from a few posts back: " Dude, don't go there because you got no information."
I was just trying to be funny. You should take your own advice hypocrite. The fact that you are bragging about how bad ass you think you are on a video game forum tells me you may be the one with issues "bro". You're probably a virgin living in your mom's basement. My experience is that dudes who talk a lot of shiite like you are full of it and trying to compensate, "bro".
There goes your theory
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:53:00 -
[37] - Quote
General Mosquito wrote:Big Burns wrote:I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0.
Read that. Idiot confirmed. I played one game of Warlords spec Dust, realized it was still a flaming bag of crap, quit out and got back on with life. Spent $0. Because CCP doesn't deserve money for giving you guys this game to play.
Well someone's salty. lol.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Supernus Gigas
The Cooked Goose Coalition
1131
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:55:00 -
[38] - Quote
Wow, this thread is all over the damn place.
I can't even remember what the topic was.
FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!
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General Mosquito
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:58:00 -
[39] - Quote
Big Burns wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Big Burns wrote:I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0.
Read that. Idiot confirmed. I played one game of Warlords spec Dust, realized it was still a flaming bag of crap, quit out and got back on with life. Spent $0. Because CCP doesn't deserve money for giving you guys this game to play. Well someone's salty. lol.
Salty? Maybe.
That doesn't change the fact that you are a fool for giving CCP money for this trash.
As someone who played from Closed beta, you should bloody well know better.
General Butt Naked - Biomassed
The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned
Only 9 more alts to go.
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.02.09 23:01:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Big Burns wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Big Burns wrote:I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0.
Read that. Idiot confirmed. I played one game of Warlords spec Dust, realized it was still a flaming bag of crap, quit out and got back on with life. Spent $0. Because CCP doesn't deserve money for giving you guys this game to play. Well someone's salty. lol. Salty? Maybe. That doesn't change the fact that you are a fool for giving CCP money for this trash. As someone who played from Closed beta, you should bloody well know better.
I get what you're saying, but it's that little ray of hope, of light that is blinding my better judgement. You know what they say, happy people are stupid and blind to the truth, depressed individuals are intelligent, because they know the truth.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Big Burns
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
568
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Posted - 2015.02.09 23:03:00 -
[41] - Quote
Supernus Gigas wrote:Wow, this thread is all over the damn place.
I can't even remember what the topic was.
I know, I'm good at this forum thing. Derp derp.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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7th Son 7
BLITZKRIEG7
501
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Posted - 2015.02.09 23:11:00 -
[42] - Quote
Supernus Gigas wrote:Wow, this thread is all over the damn place.
I can't even remember what the topic was.
That's because Burns is driving the thread, you should try riding in a car with him. Good times
Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
1281
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Posted - 2015.02.09 23:17:00 -
[43] - Quote
Michael Epic wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Michael Epic wrote:[quote=Eruditus 920]Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?
Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.
Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.
And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.
I'm not bitter. Aw :( that's a sucky outlook to have on love lol seems like you've been burned before. Would you like to come to my merc quarters and sit on my couch and talk to me about it? My girl is a psychology major and she could walk me through counseling you....mommy issues? commitment issues? We can make it work! We can whip you into shape and have you a new man in no time! But yeah, you're totally wrong lol there are millions (AND MILLIONS.....TheRock4TheWinBoots2Asses) of women out there in the world that are wholesome, pure and faithful. They will never cheat and as long as you treat them like every woman should be treated...you're golden. If women are cheating on you, its because you're not the boss. You're not the alpha male. You're not the don f!cking mega. No woman wants some sissy man who can't provide or spends all his time playing video games or anything else...you have to be the f!cking don bro So go be the Don....if I ever start a how to be king (see the post with the links linking to my twitter account where my girl says Michael Epic is king) class, I'll be sure to send you a message in game and we'll set you up on Skype and I'll teach you how to be the don mega I'll quote you from a few posts back: " Dude, don't go there because you got no information."
I was just trying to be funny. You should take your own advice hypocrite. The fact that you are bragging about how bad ass you think you are on a video game forum tells me you may be the one with issues "bro". You're probably a virgin living in your mom's basement. My experience is that dudes who talk a lot of shiite like you are full of it and trying to compensate, "bro". There goes your theory
I will only say, to each their own, I suppose.
It would never occur to me to brag about a girl, a job etc, on this forum, much less post pics. I mean, really?
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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maluble
Art.of.Death
VP Gaming Alliance
193
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Posted - 2015.02.10 00:00:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D You think your girlfriend really cares about something like a teddybear? lol. Lemme give you some advice. Save your money all together and do your own thing. If she really loved you, you wouldn't have to buy her anything, she would always be buying you something. Love is never equal. Someone in the relationship always cares a little more than the other. Real talk. You may think that's a bit harsh thing to say, but believe me, that's easy mode right there for ya. lol. Dude, don't go there because you got no information. My girl? #1 stunna and she does for me all the time and I do for her all the time. We have what you call a functional relationship. Maybe you've heard of that. She's been planning my birthday (2/22/15 w00t w00t) for 6 months haha and she just gave me the most awesome valentines day present early and you know what I did in return? I took her to Atlanta, GA to see Romeo and Juliet at the Atlanta Ballet....we stayed at the Hilton Hotel! You want to know what she did for me in return? I'll tell ya boss....Mr. Big Burns, she put on the sexiest lingerie you ever saw and woke me up with my rocket in her mouth and then I blasted off to the moon if you feel me son....three times before we woke up and checked out of the hotel... So yeah....I like how you THINK you know me and you know her....and how you think you know anything and how you absolutely avoided me calling you out about the Dust 514 Pay-to-Win topic and putting you in your place and it makes me laugh...makes me giggle. Like you're tickling my booty hole with a feather...but I bet you get down like that :D Oops, there I go thinking I know you like you think you know me.....tsk tsk, we gotta work on that holmes.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1521
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Posted - 2015.02.10 01:41:00 -
[45] - Quote
It is much less pay to win than what already existed. I could get a combat pack and have access to proto gear in my first week that would gibe me a greater advantage than the warbarge supplies.
Because, that's why.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1222
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Posted - 2015.02.10 04:22:00 -
[46] - Quote
Sorry, I was out doing boring domestic shxt. Anyhow to jump back in, rather late. P2w is not having a slight advantage, it's purchasing things that are unattainable otherwise. You number crunchers really ruffle my feathers sometimes, statistics are no substitute for actual situational data as it pertains to the player experience. Not to mention the warbarge is all of 4 days old and new content is always subject to be broken by the active playerbase. Apologies on the grammar check, old habits.
On a more serious note, at least let there be evidence of foul play before you turn up so hard. Your blood pressure will thank you.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Big Burns
0uter.Heaven
570
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Posted - 2015.02.10 20:46:00 -
[47] - Quote
Reign Omega wrote:Sorry, I was out doing boring domestic shxt. Anyhow to jump back in, rather late. P2w is not having a slight advantage, it's purchasing things that are unattainable otherwise. You number crunchers really ruffle my feathers sometimes, statistics are no substitute for actual situational data as it pertains to the player experience. Not to mention the warbarge is all of 4 days old and new content is always subject to be broken by the active playerbase. Apologies on the grammar check, old habits.
On a more serious note, at least let there be evidence of foul play before you turn up so hard. Your blood pressure will thank you.
"P2w is not having a slight advantage, it's purchasing things that are unattainable otherwise." So we can acquire 30 boosters from completing challenges?
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Raiden246
State of Purgatory
General Tso's Alliance
27
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:14:00 -
[48] - Quote
Michael Epic wrote:Big Burns wrote: lol. Nah, man. Just trying to give you some advice. I don't know everything and if what I said offended you in any way, I apologize. Just sounds like "young love" to me. Just don't want to see a fellow merc get heart broken that's all. Maybe you already understand how relationships work, give and take, it just sounded like you were dropping everything into your relationship. Real talk- women want two things. D*ck and money/materials. As long as you're giving them that, then go on and do you're thing and get whatever it is out of her that you like, s*x, attention, love, w/e. Just wanted to make sure you weren't being ignorant. As far as your opinion about my topic...that's your opinion. lol. So you back peddling? That's my boy. A reason to eat your heart out, BIG BURNSOH and LIFE LESSON from her to you...technically from her to TechMechMeds back in the day before he knew what was up, but since you making the same mistakes I thought I'd pay her advice forward to you, Big Burns. I got nothing but love for you though...but your argument about Dust being pay to win got no foundation bro no legs to stand on thanks for looking out for me and my ticker, you're a gentleman and a scholar for doing so but let me look out for your reputation and your brain in the community and put this tired argument to rest man....just kick back, enjoy your $40 spent and let the game do it the rest of the way. In 6 months you're a year ahead of me....is that not good enough for you bro?
*Throws 20 ISK*
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1224
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Posted - 2015.02.10 22:28:00 -
[49] - Quote
Big Burns wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Sorry, I was out doing boring domestic shxt. Anyhow to jump back in, rather late. P2w is not having a slight advantage, it's purchasing things that are unattainable otherwise. You number crunchers really ruffle my feathers sometimes, statistics are no substitute for actual situational data as it pertains to the player experience. Not to mention the warbarge is all of 4 days old and new content is always subject to be broken by the active playerbase. Apologies on the grammar check, old habits.
On a more serious note, at least let there be evidence of foul play before you turn up so hard. Your blood pressure will thank you. "P2w is not having a slight advantage, it's purchasing things that are unattainable otherwise." So we can acquire 30 boosters from completing challenges?
Maybe not 30 at once but yes I have gotten 3 or 4 omega boosters from those silly daily missions, and I don't even do them all like that.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Stryker Syx Vector
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
105
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Posted - 2015.02.10 22:41:00 -
[50] - Quote
Big Burns wrote:I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0. All 80,000 aurum went into my warbarge. Let's crunch some numbers shall we... This is what 80,000 aurum got me: Warbarge level: 4 Mobile Factory level: 3 - 400 components per day Market Network level: 2 - 83,941 isk per day Augmented Ammunition Facility level: 1 - 2% damage Neural Battle Statistics Center level: 1 - 3,000SP per day 80,000 aurum. 1 component = 3 aurum. It comes out to roughly 27,000 components for 80,000 aurum. ^^^That's what I got for 27,000 components. Now, I wanted to upgrade my Mobile Factory as high as I could get it, so I could produce more components per day and not have to buy aurum, but after upgrading it to level 3, it costs 29,512 components just for the cooldown. In order for someone to get everything that I have now, without spending aurum, it would take them roughly 6 months. It's freaking ridiculous. Dust is officially Pay-to-win. Mobile Factory level 1: 200 components per day = 5,600 components per month. Mobile Factory level 2: 300 components per day = 8,400 components per month. Mobile Factory level 3: 400 components per day = 11,200 components per month. Mobile Factory level 4: 500 components per day = 14,000 components per month. Crazy man.
There is nothing about the warbarge that makes it pay to win. EVERYONE can get all the bonuses of the warbarge without paying money, yes it would take an excruciatingly long time, but there's is nothing about it that can only be earned by money, which is the definition of pay to win. Dust has ALWAYS been this way. So stop trying to convence people otherwise. |
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1870
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:39:00 -
[51] - Quote
You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Yep She's Dead
Dreadful honor
46
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:49:00 -
[52] - Quote
Roy Ventus wrote:You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying.
I came to say something constructive but then I saw that the mighty Roy Ventus lives! Hey Roy!! <3 |
Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
523
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Posted - 2015.02.11 03:54:00 -
[53] - Quote
Yep She's Dead wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying. I came to say something constructive but then I saw that the mighty Roy Ventus lives! Hey Roy!! <3
I didn't think he could survive being replaced by Marth and Lucina.
The State will always survive.
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Jason Pearson
Legio DXIV
4385
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:45:00 -
[54] - Quote
Big Burns wrote:I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *breathe* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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hold that
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
626
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:47:00 -
[55] - Quote
i don;t want to read the whole thread, so how much money does it cost to completely upgrade the warbarge in one day? |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4267
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:00:00 -
[56] - Quote
would you like to borrow my fedora? I think it would suit you.
it got me this, you see.
this is me
i am truly the sexxiest of sexy people
hold that wrote:i don;t want to read the whole thread, so how much money does it cost to completely upgrade the warbarge in one day?
this many
Well, here goes nothing!!!
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Jason Pearson
Legio DXIV
4385
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
Also, what's with all the betas in this thread? You're gonna buy your girl a teddybear Mikey? Listen here, man the **** up and spend that money on a gym membership. How you gonna impress your girl if you don't lift? ******* beta. Then you've got this guy suffering from cheatingbitchsyndrome. Look, that can all be solved with a simple backhand, let me refer you to this. This man is a professional and will solve your issues with cheating bitches. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
2003
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:05:00 -
[58] - Quote
When did you too come crawling back out of the wood work @jason and lorhak
Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4267
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:07:00 -
[59] - Quote
Jason Pearson wrote:Also, what's with all the betas in this thread? You're gonna buy your girl a teddybear Mikey? Listen here, man the **** up and spend that money on a gym membership. How you gonna impress your girl if you don't lift? ******* beta. Then you've got this guy suffering from cheatingbitchsyndrome. Look, that can all be solved with a simple backhand, let me refer you to this. This man is a professional and will solve your issues with cheating bitches.
julien is my one true love i mean hero
without him i am nothing
Anyway, on topic. Yeah, not so happy about the warbarge thing, but hey, I'm not playing PC so no particular onus on me. My proto will still tear up MLT suits :) (or it would except I'm terrible)
Well, here goes nothing!!!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4267
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:08:00 -
[60] - Quote
pegasis prime wrote:When did you too come crawling back out of the wood work @jason and lorhak
I came back the day before Warlords dropped. Turns out Jason did too, although I still haven't played with him.
Well, here goes nothing!!!
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Jason Pearson
Legio DXIV
4386
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
pegasis prime wrote:When did you too come crawling back out of the wood work @jason and lorhak
Hai Pegasis, I came back a couple of days ago, just to shittalk people and laugh at Warlords, you know how it is.
Another player playing the gaaame. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
2003
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:11:00 -
[62] - Quote
Will need to catch up in game . Took your advise and got into destiny but the pop was crap and the PvE was alright
Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
320
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:21:00 -
[63] - Quote
Big Burns wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.
What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle.
And yet it's always been that way no? If you spent your money on Boosters then you had the advantage over someone who didn't. Your stats improved quicker and you won more battles and you gained more isk - along with more SP.
I don't see a difference. it's just another way you can build your merc and if you want to do it quicker - you pay. Having paid an average amount for Dust I don't really feel at a distinct disadvantage to those who've been playing longer and paid more money. I still get plenty of enjoyment from the game - and the ones who are way beyond my level present a challenge that is rarely insurmountable.
What's the point of offering pay items if they aren't going to improve your stats and offer you rewards beyond the 'free' players? I think the balance is pretty good. You pay money - you get better quicker. Those who don't pay money can still beat you - it might be harder but it's not impossible by any stretch of the imagination.
Given how much it would cost someone to skill up to the very top as soon as humanly possible - I don't exactly begrudge them an advantage over me on the field. Particularly as their money is going to keep this game alive.
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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Sleepy Shadow
Qualified Scrub
274
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Posted - 2015.02.11 13:50:00 -
[64] - Quote
al nize mk2 wrote:And yet it's always been that way no? If you spent your money on Boosters then you had the advantage over someone who didn't. Your stats improved quicker and you won more battles and you gained more isk - along with more SP.
I don't see a difference.
The difference is that boosters do not give you instantaneous SP. You have to either work or wait for them. Passive boosters give you SP effortlessly but in tiny amounts. Active boosters give you more SP but you have to work for it. If you donGÇÖt play for a month while your booster is running, you get exactly 0 SP from it. It is a little different these days as you can stack them, but the principal is still the same.
The Warbarge is a completely different beast. AUR gets you instant rewards, something players not paying can only dream off. Me and my boyfriend downloaded Warlords at the same time. He decided to spend his AUR on the Warbarge while I looked at it with bile in my mouth. He is sitting on 3% damage bonus, has been since the very release of Warlords, and I have just started my two week wait to get enough components to get my factory to level 3 (I think, donGÇÖt remember or care, next level gives me 300 components a day). By the time CCP adds more stuff to the barge, IGÇÖm still probably struggling to level up my barge while my boyfriend can start enjoying the new shiny toys immediately (as he is so far ahead).
If AUR gave you a little boost here or there with the barge it wouldnGÇÖt be such an issue. But as it is now, I would compare the barge to a booster that gave you 3 MIL SP upon purchase. As in, instant jump to take you way ahead of people who do not pay.
=ƒÿ¦
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1871
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Posted - 2015.02.11 14:13:00 -
[65] - Quote
Yep She's Dead wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying. I came to say something constructive but then I saw that the mighty Roy Ventus lives! Hey Roy!! <3
Can't keep a good Fox down lol. I've been more active on the forums recently. Haven't logged in, in forever. Sticking mostly to PC/steam games for now. Btw, have you seen Noein recently?
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Yokal Bob
State of Purgatory
General Tso's Alliance
865
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Posted - 2015.02.11 14:32:00 -
[66] - Quote
So people get a bit more sp and isk. sp doesn't matter in this game now, it does when your reletivley new but afterwards its just to get more suits.
also, the isk generated probably won't even cover the cost of 1 of my logi suits (lvl 2 is what 62k per day?) so no proto suit at all.
the ability to run proto does not mean you will win every encounter
this game is still very much based upon skill, teamwork and luck.
the ability to buy aur just saves you a little isk, nothing else.
not p2w
Vote Dust for PS4
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Yokal Bob
State of Purgatory
General Tso's Alliance
865
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Posted - 2015.02.11 14:36:00 -
[67] - Quote
Roy Ventus wrote:Yep She's Dead wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying. I came to say something constructive but then I saw that the mighty Roy Ventus lives! Hey Roy!! <3 Can't keep a good Fox down lol. I've been more active on the forums recently. Haven't logged in, in forever. Sticking mostly to PC/steam games for now. Btw, have you seen Noein recently?
ROY! yo man, how you been? saw your sticking to PC games, you got minecraft? if so join me on the lichcraft server (details on the web). As always im on my character name yokal bob :)
Vote Dust for PS4
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pumping up
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
203
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:50:00 -
[68] - Quote
If you hand't blown all AUR to remove the cooldowns. You would have a much better war barge.
Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit
Pilot & Saboteur
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1871
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
Yokal Bob wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Yep She's Dead wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying. I came to say something constructive but then I saw that the mighty Roy Ventus lives! Hey Roy!! <3 Can't keep a good Fox down lol. I've been more active on the forums recently. Haven't logged in, in forever. Sticking mostly to PC/steam games for now. Btw, have you seen Noein recently? ROY! yo man, how you been? saw your sticking to PC games, you got minecraft? if so join me on the lichcraft server (details on the web). As always im on my character name yokal bob :)
Yeah. Only sticking to PC games since I'm having connection issues with my actual PS3. You have a steam account? My account is royventus/roy_ventus. I don't play as often as I wish I could but you can catch me on there sometimes playing Unturned (minecraft with zombies and guns, essentially), or Dota (>:D Dragon Knighting it up on that mofo). :V I'd have more games if I played more often with friends lol.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Big Burns
0uter.Heaven
590
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:56:00 -
[70] - Quote
Wow. This thread is still going?
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
943
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Posted - 2015.02.11 16:01:00 -
[71] - Quote
This argument has been dismantled many many times on these forums.
A paywall is - content which you cannot have acces to at all without paying for. Dust has no paywalls.
This mechanism is , everyone gets access to the same content, be it skill points, suits, weapons , but just at different rates. You can play Dust 514 without spending a cent but don't expect to be running proto suits and the best weapons at the same time as everyone else.
And lastly, it's a business model - meaning, it's there to make money. It's just a different model as opposed to the subscription model. |
Big Burns
0uter.Heaven
590
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Posted - 2015.02.11 16:03:00 -
[72] - Quote
Justicar Karnellia wrote:This argument has been dismantled many many times on these forums.
A paywall is - content which you cannot have acces to at all without paying for. Dust has no paywalls.
This mechanism is , everyone gets access to the same content, be it skill points, suits, weapons , but just at different rates. You can play Dust 514 without spending a cent but don't expect to be running proto suits and the best weapons at the same time as everyone else.
And lastly, it's a business model - meaning, it's there to make money. It's just a different model as opposed to the subscription model.
Yes it does. You can't get 30 day boosters out of salvage. You have to buy them. You can't get Abyss drop uplinks with a -47.65 timer on them, out of salvage. You have to buy both of these^
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
11000
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Posted - 2015.02.11 16:13:00 -
[73] - Quote
Big Burns wrote:
[...]
In order for someone to get everything that I have now, without spending aurum, it would take them roughly 6 months. It's freaking ridiculous. Dust is officially Pay-to-win.
[...]
Crazy man.
/*sigh*
If there is ANY WAY with which a player can achieve the same thing without having to pay anything other than just time then it is not pay to win. Pay to Win requires that what you paid for in cash can't be obtained any other way.
If you count time as part of pay to win then by that logic even free players who never paid any AUR have been doing pay to win since forever because they spent time playing the game. Do you see the flaw in this logic?
Also, the warbarge is extremely passive. It's not meant to be your primary source of income just like how Planetary Interaction is in Eve Online. It's one of those setup-and-forget kind of things and only check back once a day to collect. I don't care if it takes me 6 months to get to your level. I'll get there eventually without paying any AUR for the warbarge components. And yes, even a family man can have the patience for it. Remember, it's a setup-and-forget feature.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
11000
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Posted - 2015.02.11 16:17:00 -
[74] - Quote
Big Burns wrote:Justicar Karnellia wrote:This argument has been dismantled many many times on these forums.
A paywall is - content which you cannot have acces to at all without paying for. Dust has no paywalls.
This mechanism is , everyone gets access to the same content, be it skill points, suits, weapons , but just at different rates. You can play Dust 514 without spending a cent but don't expect to be running proto suits and the best weapons at the same time as everyone else.
And lastly, it's a business model - meaning, it's there to make money. It's just a different model as opposed to the subscription model. Yes it does. You can't get 30 day boosters out of salvage. You have to buy them. You can't get Abyss drop uplinks with a -47.65 timer on them, out of salvage. You have to buy both of these^
Source:
https://trello.com/b/R44szWCe/dust-514-development-roadmap
According to CCP Rattati's Trello board, Simple Trading will be coming in 1.1 (next update). That feature alone will obliterate any and all claims of pay to win.
EDIT: Eve Online's PLEX is the same thing. CCP earns money from PLEX sales, seller earns ISK from selling PLEX, and buyer gets PLEX for paying ISK. Everyone wins all because of trade.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
129
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Posted - 2015.02.11 16:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
[/quote]
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. [/quote]
Actually the sky is no color. The refraction of sunlight through the various molecules in the air give it the blue tint. :-P
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Big Burns
0uter.Heaven
593
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Posted - 2015.02.11 16:54:00 -
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I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. [/quote]
Actually the sky is no color. The refraction of sunlight through the various molecules in the air give it the blue tint. :-P
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...^_^ Either I"m getting way to good at this, or this guy is way too easy.
Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1941
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Posted - 2015.02.11 17:19:00 -
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Well, I read the first page; I assume there's more sh*t-flinging?
Anyway, all I know is that the warbarge is hardly helpful to new players, even though that was supposed to be a big part of it. Mainly, the warbarge just increases the gap between vets and newbs (especially the +5% to damage, which was a terrible idea). I'm ashamed of CCP; it feels like they only care about the money.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
You got gud - DAAAA BEAST
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GunGoesRawR
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:33:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:It is much less pay to win than what already existed. I could get a combat pack and have access to proto gear in my first week that would gibe me a greater advantage than the warbarge supplies.
See that was cool for me joining the game. Yes someone has a proto weapon or suit. But in a week of grinding I could get a decent weapon... A few weeks I could grab a suit.
And in this time I would learn how to use the weapon and suit.
This is a reasonable time line to do things in a game that is a FPS-MMORPG like environment(Is 32 player instanced matches really MMO?)
But for this warbarge to take full affect to those who just bought their way to the advantage,
It would take 6 months-1year+
That is unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination.
Take yourself out of your shoes and you pre conceived perceptions. Now try and sell that 6 month-1 year Timeline to one of your friends.
Explain that people will have a 5% damage bonus and can run expensive gear and have more money then you because they payed for an advantage that you can't get for 6 months-1year.
Say DUST 514 makes it 1 year from this point.. How do you sell this feature futther to a new player who is already at an extreme disadvantage to even wanting to progress much further then the battle academy?
How can DUST 514 ever grow if the new player is continuously put on a disadvantage because of poorly thought out concepts, trying to milk cash from an already tiny player base instead of trying to expand the market base or your player base you are selling your product to?
Why not fancy color guns and all kinds of suit and vehicle colors not introduced in this game years ago? If monetization was such an issue... Why not let you customize the color of what you have to the length in which we can customize our modules?
Why not pump up the Faction warfare Item list... Have more items then a few equipment and guns perform better... Sell more Faction Warfare boosters.. Pump up the Matchmaking and get more people playing that.
Why take a feature so wifely talked about as hope for a future with the DUST 514 product and make it such an easy target for controversy?
I For one am done. I Cannot stand by and support this product any longer. I Went out and bought a PS4 and will be moving on.
Thanks for all the fish. I'm out.  |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3184
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:37:00 -
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The 5% damage bonus does seem to me to be too large an advantage for those who choose to pay. Sure, it's an advantage a non-paying player can gain through grinding -- but the time horizon is too long, IMO. I'm all for monetizing this game and making it successful, but this one seems to be to be a bit much. Warbarge damage increase was a bad idea, IMO. |
pumping up
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:53:00 -
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pay2win isn't a binary thing. It's not totally pay2win or the inverse of that.
Pay2Win is a spectrum. The warbarge is quite more sloped towards the pay2win end of it.
Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit
Pilot & Saboteur
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Yep She's Dead
Dreadful honor
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Posted - 2015.02.11 20:47:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Yep She's Dead wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying. I came to say something constructive but then I saw that the mighty Roy Ventus lives! Hey Roy!! <3 Can't keep a good Fox down lol. I've been more active on the forums recently. Haven't logged in, in forever. Sticking mostly to PC/steam games for now. Btw, have you seen Noein recently?
Mish and I just played with Nick and Noein the other day. The two of us stay on PC gaming as well; just came back to get the most of this key event but we're gonna fade out like we did before I'll float you a Steam message, if that's cool. I miss our old little group.
And sorry OP <3 Didn't mean to turn your topic into a pow-wow.
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JL3Eleven
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:05:00 -
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Wait till people realize while they are just getting to the damage bonus after 6 months of waiting, I will have been collecting 4 officer/experimental weapons a day that whole time not to mention the SP, and they are still two subunits away lol.
Edit: That's 720 Officer/Experimental items btw.
Can I haz ur ISK?
Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
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Niuvo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1444
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:30:00 -
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I'll wait. |
Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2015.02.12 02:52:00 -
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Yep She's Dead wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Yep She's Dead wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:You can't gain a major advantage through the war barge...
Thus it's not P2W. End of story. It sucks that it's like that but the war argue as it is now doesn't have such a dramatic effect as you're implying. I came to say something constructive but then I saw that the mighty Roy Ventus lives! Hey Roy!! <3 Can't keep a good Fox down lol. I've been more active on the forums recently. Haven't logged in, in forever. Sticking mostly to PC/steam games for now. Btw, have you seen Noein recently? Mish and I just played with Nick and Noein the other day. The two of us stay on PC gaming as well; just came back to get the most of this key event but we're gonna fade out like we did before I'll float you a Steam message, if that's cool. I miss our old little group. And sorry OP <3 Didn't mean to turn your topic into a pow-wow.
It's alright >:D I've been trying to get my friends from another site to play with me on steam. Tell Mish I said, "HEY MISHMASH." Does Noein play steam or is he only a PS4? >.> I guess you can just message me on Steam lol. I did the same thing to Nick the other day lol. Just stopped a thread and shouted him out. :V OP probably don't care tho, at least we bumping his thread for him.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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