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Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 564	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:13:00 - [1] - Quote I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0. All 80,000 aurum went into my warbarge. Let's crunch some numbers shall we... This is what 80,000 aurum got me: Warbarge level: 4 Mobile Factory level: 3 - 400 components per day Market Network level: 2 - 83,941 isk per day Augmented Ammunition Facility level: 1 - 2% damage Neural Battle Statistics Center level: 1 - 3,000SP per day 80,000 aurum. 1 component = 3 aurum. It comes out to roughly 27,000 components for 80,000 aurum. ^^^That's what I got for 27,000 components. Now, I wanted to upgrade my Mobile Factory as high as I could get it, so I could produce more components per day and not have to buy aurum, but after upgrading it to level 3, it costs 29,512 components just for the cooldown. In order for someone to get everything that I have now, without spending aurum, it would take them roughly 6 months. It's freaking ridiculous. Dust is officially Pay-to-win. Mobile Factory level 1: 200 components per day = 5,600 components per month. Mobile Factory level 2: 300 components per day = 8,400 components per month. Mobile Factory level 3: 400 components per day = 11,200 components per month. Mobile Factory level 4: 500 components per day = 14,000 components per month. Crazy man. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 502	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:16:00 - [2] - Quote Oh boy 2% damage and a bunch of minor things. Clearly an unfair advantage. The State will always survive.
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:19:00 - [3] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Oh boy 2% damage and a bunch of minor things. Clearly an unfair advantage. As I said, I invested most of my components into my Mobile Factory. A lot people out there invested a lot into their market or Augmented Ammunition Facility. Some people are running around with 5% damage, and yes that is a big deal, considering most people won't be able to get to 5% until next year. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
One Eyed King nos nothi 7726	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:22:00 - [4] - Quote I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 500	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:25:00 - [5] - Quote Big Burns wrote: I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0. All 80,000 aurum went into my warbarge. Let's crunch some numbers shall we... This is what 80,000 aurum got me: Warbarge level: 4 Mobile Factory level: 3 - 400 components per day Market Network level: 2 - 83,941 isk per day Augmented Ammunition Facility level: 1 - 2% damage Neural Battle Statistics Center level: 1 - 3,000SP per day 80,000 aurum. 1 component = 3 aurum. It comes out to roughly 27,000 components for 80,000 aurum. ^^^That's what I got for 27,000 components. Now, I wanted to upgrade my Mobile Factory as high as I could get it, so I could produce more components per day and not have to buy aurum, but after upgrading it to level 3, it costs 29,512 components just for the cooldown. In order for someone to get everything that I have now, without spending aurum, it would take them roughly 6 months. It's freaking ridiculous. Dust is officially Pay-to-win. Mobile Factory level 1: 200 components per day = 5,600 components per month. Mobile Factory level 2: 300 components per day = 8,400 components per month. Mobile Factory level 3: 400 components per day = 11,200 components per month. Mobile Factory level 4: 500 components per day = 14,000 components per month. Crazy man. I **** love dust, no bs. But until I get some kind of solid word about Legion or being able to transfer all the ** im purchasing in Dust to Legion, im not buying anything else. Ok im buying a ps4 this weekend, but that's it. Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:28:00 - [6] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:36:00 - [7] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1222	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:47:00 - [8] - Quote Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? There are other high slot modules? Also... you're. Lastly, it's not p2w, it's p2 have a slight advantage. And maybe a bit more money. Anybody who can afford to pay hundreds of dollars across 10 accounts isn't getting laid one bit, and as such they deserve some semblance of life satisfaction. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 566	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:51:00 - [9] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? There are other high slot modules? Also... you're. Lastly, it's not p2w, it's p2 have a slight advantage. And maybe a bit more money. Anybody who can affordto pay hundreds of dollars across 10 accounts isn't getting laid one bit, and as such they deserve some semblance of life satisfaction. STFU! This topic is about stats and principalities. There is no denying this. Twist it any way you want, look at it through every mercs eyes, the outcome is relevant. I could care less really, I just like calling CCP out on their crap. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 452	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:52:00 - [10] - Quote Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D

Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 566	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:53:00 - [11] - Quote And stop calling people out on their grammar. It just makes you look stupid pointing out the obvious. "You're" better than that. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 566	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:58:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D You think your girlfriend really cares about something like a teddybear? lol. Lemme give you some advice. Save your money all together and do your own thing. If she really loved you, you wouldn't have to buy her anything, she would always be buying you something. Love is never equal. Someone in the relationship always cares a little more than the other. Real talk. You may think that's a bit harsh thing to say, but believe me, that's easy mode right there for ya. lol. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
One Eyed King nos nothi 7729	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:00:00 - [13] - Quote Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 452	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:03:00 - [14] - Quote Big Burns wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D You think your girlfriend really cares about something like a teddybear? lol. Lemme give you some advice. Save your money all together and do your own thing. If she really loved you, you wouldn't have to buy her anything, she would always be buying you something. Love is never equal. Someone in the relationship always cares a little more than the other. Real talk. You may think that's a bit harsh thing to say, but believe me, that's easy mode right there for ya. lol. Dude, don't go there because you got no information. My girl? #1 stunna and she does for me all the time and I do for her all the time. We have what you call a functional relationship. Maybe you've heard of that. She's been planning my birthday (2/22/15 w00t w00t) for 6 months haha and she just gave me the most awesome valentines day present early and you know what I did in return? I took her to Atlanta, GA to see Romeo and Juliet at the Atlanta Ballet....we stayed at the Hilton Hotel! You want to know what she did for me in return? I'll tell ya boss....Mr. Big Burns, she put on the sexiest lingerie you ever saw and woke me up with my rocket in her mouth and then I blasted off to the moon if you feel me son....three times before we woke up and checked out of the hotel... So yeah....I like how you THINK you know me and you know her....and how you think you know anything and how you absolutely avoided me calling you out about the Dust 514 Pay-to-Win topic and putting you in your place and it makes me laugh...makes me giggle. Like you're tickling my booty hole with a feather...but I bet you get down like that :D Oops, there I go thinking I know you like you think you know me.....tsk tsk, we gotta work on that holmes.
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 566	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:04:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 58	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:06:00 - [16] - Quote You can savage some components ... 50 each 200 battles :D
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:13:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Big Burns wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D You think your girlfriend really cares about something like a teddybear? lol. Lemme give you some advice. Save your money all together and do your own thing. If she really loved you, you wouldn't have to buy her anything, she would always be buying you something. Love is never equal. Someone in the relationship always cares a little more than the other. Real talk. You may think that's a bit harsh thing to say, but believe me, that's easy mode right there for ya. lol. Dude, don't go there because you got no information. My girl? #1 stunna and she does for me all the time and I do for her all the time. We have what you call a functional relationship. Maybe you've heard of that. She's been planning my birthday (2/22/15 w00t w00t) for 6 months haha and she just gave me the most awesome valentines day present early and you know what I did in return? I took her to Atlanta, GA to see Romeo and Juliet at the Atlanta Ballet....we stayed at the Hilton Hotel! You want to know what she did for me in return? I'll tell ya boss....Mr. Big Burns, she put on the sexiest lingerie you ever saw and woke me up with my rocket in her mouth and then I blasted off to the moon if you feel me son....three times before we woke up and checked out of the hotel... So yeah....I like how you THINK you know me and you know her....and how you think you know anything and how you absolutely avoided me calling you out about the Dust 514 Pay-to-Win topic and putting you in your place and it makes me laugh...makes me giggle. Like you're tickling my booty hole with a feather...but I bet you get down like that :D Oops, there I go thinking I know you like you think you know me.....tsk tsk, we gotta work on that holmes. lol. Nah, man. Just trying to give you some advice. I don't know everything and if what I said offended you in any way, I apologize. Just sounds like "young love" to me. Just don't want to see a fellow merc get heart broken that's all. Maybe you already understand how relationships work, give and take, it just sounded like you were dropping everything into your relationship. Real talk- women want two things. Dck and money/materials. As long as you're giving them that, then go on and do you're thing and get whatever it is out of her that you like, sx, attention, love, w/e. Just wanted to make sure you weren't being ignorant. As far as your opinion about my topic...that's your opinion. lol. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
One Eyed King nos nothi 7730	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:14:00 - [18] - Quote Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money. Your perception of Dust being P2W is not a fact, its an opinion. The facts and numbers are good as others can come to their own opinion based upon that, however having read through those numbers, I came to the exactly opposite conclusion. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 453	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:16:00 - [19] - Quote Big Burns wrote: lol. Nah, man. Just trying to give you some advice. I don't know everything and if what I said offended you in any way, I apologize. Just sounds like "young love" to me. Just don't want to see a fellow merc get heart broken that's all. Maybe you already understand how relationships work, give and take, it just sounded like you were dropping everything into your relationship. Real talk- women want two things. Dck and money/materials. As long as you're giving them that, then go on and do you're thing and get whatever it is out of her that you like, sx, attention, love, w/e. Just wanted to make sure you weren't being ignorant. As far as your opinion about my topic...that's your opinion. lol. So you back peddling? That's my boy. A reason to eat your heart out, BIG BURNS OH and LIFE LESSON from her to you...technically from her to TechMechMeds back in the day before he knew what was up, but since you making the same mistakes I thought I'd pay her advice forward to you, Big Burns. I got nothing but love for you though...but your argument about Dust being pay to win got no foundation bro no legs to stand on thanks for looking out for me and my ticker, you're a gentleman and a scholar for doing so but let me look out for your reputation and your brain in the community and put this tired argument to rest man....just kick back, enjoy your $40 spent and let the game do it the rest of the way. In 6 months you're a year ahead of me....is that not good enough for you bro?
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:16:00 - [20] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money. Your perception of Dust being P2W is not a fact, its an opinion. The facts and numbers are good as others can come to their own opinion based upon that, however having read through those numbers, I came to the exactly opposite conclusion. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1

Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 454	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:20:00 - [21] - Quote Big Burns wrote: I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. I'm sorry to double whammy you bro, but the sky isn't actually blue lol the sky is totally clear and invisible...the blue you see is blue light in the Sun's rays bending more than the red light. Thus the sky looks blue
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 23	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:23:00 - [22] - Quote Big Burns wrote: I spent $40 since the release of Warlords 1.0. Read that. Idiot confirmed. I played one game of Warlords spec Dust, realized it was still a flaming bag of crap, quit out and got back on with life. Spent $0. Because CCP doesn't deserve money for giving you guys this game to play. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
One Eyed King nos nothi 7731	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:23:00 - [23] - Quote Big Burns wrote: I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. That can be objectively measured with a spectrometer. You admitted that the benefits the AUR would bring would take 6 months to a year to achieve without it. Which means you don't NEED to spend AUR in order to get the same benefits. If Dust were P2W, those benefits would NEVER be achievable WITHOUT AUR. That is the definition of P2W. I get not liking some of the monetization going on, but throwing out inaccurate labels out of frustration is not constructive in any way, shape, or form. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1281	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:24:00 - [24] - Quote Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay? Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world. Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat. And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite. I'm not bitter. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:25:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Big Burns wrote: I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. I'm sorry to double whammy you bro, but the sky isn't actually blue lol the sky is totally clear and invisible...the blue you see is blue light in the Sun's rays bending more than the red light. Thus the sky looks blue Why did you have to do that. My last comment was totally sarcasm at its best. Now you just ruined me trolling with that guy. lol. And the atmosphere isn't invisible, there are particles flying around everywhere. It just depends on what point of view you're looking from, which brings us full circle on this topic, it's all about perception. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:26:00 - [26] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay? Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world. Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat. And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite. I'm not bitter. ...And that's the other way to put it. lol. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
Green Living Gallente Gay Swag Club 1327	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:27:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Alt Farming- 80,000 isk per day X 10 alts = 800,000 isk per day X 7 days in a week = 5,600,000 isk per week o1r 22,200,000 isk per month, at level 2. Damage booster- 5% damage without having to sacrifice a high slot. SP gain- At level 1: 3,000SP per day or 21,000SP per week. That's at level 1! Over the next 6 months: Players that spend aurum: 140,000,000 isk, 5% damage in battle, 600,000SP. Players that don't spend arurm: 1,000,000 isk, 2% damage in battle, 100,000 SP. ^^^And your saying that isn't pay to win? You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY. Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful. CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait. Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free. I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character. If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time.... But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D Your buying your GF a four foot bear? That's P4P (Pay for ***) That *** broken!
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:31:00 - [28] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Big Burns wrote: I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. That can be objectively measured with a spectrometer. You admitted that the benefits the AUR would bring would take 6 months to a year to achieve without it. Which means you don't NEED to spend AUR in order to get the same benefits. If Dust were P2W, those benefits would NEVER be achievable WITHOUT AUR. That is the definition of P2W. I get not liking some of the monetization going on, but throwing out inaccurate labels out of frustration is not constructive in any way, shape, or form. You're right. There is no such thing as pay-to-win. Unless they provide an in-game option to spend aurum to automatically win matches. Yes you are right, because you can have a merc pay aurum to buy a damage modifier that increases the damage output by 200%, but if they don't know how to use it, then it's not a definite probability. Yes I get what you're saying, you literal mofo. Jeez. Break even with me here. Dust514- 90% L3 / 10% R1
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 513	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:31:00 - [29] - Quote Not to sound terribly pessimistic, but is the length of time that will be required for the warbarge to be upgraded without sinking Aurum into it possibly longer than the lifespan of DUST altogether? At this point with no indication that DUST will be porting to PS4 or PC, and absolute silence as far as Legion is concerned, how can we accurately asses the time we have to work with? Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 455	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:33:00 - [30] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay? Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world. Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat. And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite. I'm not bitter. Aw :( that's a sucky outlook to have on love lol seems like you've been burned before. Would you like to come to my merc quarters and sit on my couch and talk to me about it? My girl is a psychology major and she could walk me through counseling you....mommy issues? commitment issues? We can make it work! We can whip you into shape and have you a new man in no time! But yeah, you're totally wrong lol there are millions (AND MILLIONS.....TheRock4TheWinBoots2Asses) of women out there in the world that are wholesome, pure and faithful. They will never cheat and as long as you treat them like every woman should be treated...you're golden. If women are cheating on you, its because you're not the boss. You're not the alpha male. You're not the don f!cking mega. No woman wants some sissy man who can't provide or spends all his time playing video games or anything else...you have to be the f!cking don bro So go be the Don....if I ever start a how to be king (see the post with the links linking to my twitter account where my girl says Michael Epic is king) class, I'll be sure to send you a message in game and we'll set you up on Skype and I'll teach you how to be the don mega BIG BURNS: I was trolling you for the lolz just because haha no harm no foul



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