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Big Burns wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Big Burns wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.

What is your idea of P2W?

CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle.

This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't.

You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W.

The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair.

The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money.


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One Eyed King nos nothi 7726	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:22:00 - [1] - Quote I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
One Eyed King nos nothi 7729	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:00:00 - [2] - Quote Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
One Eyed King nos nothi 7730	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:14:00 - [3] - Quote Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Big Burns wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W. What is your idea of P2W? CCP released an entire update revolving around this warbarge. The only players that can use it to it's fullest ability, are those who spend money to do so. The others will have to wait 6 months to a year before they start reaping benefits from this warbarge. In the meantime, the players who spent money, are running around with more isk in their pockets and have a great advantage in battle. This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't. You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W. The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair. The truth is the truth. I'm just stating the facts and have not jumped to any conlcusions, only ran the figures. The numbers do all the talking for me. I could have just not said anything and just put the numbers up there and the outcome would still be the same. As I said before, I don't care, I'm just stating the facts here. Trying to save people time and money. Your perception of Dust being P2W is not a fact, its an opinion. The facts and numbers are good as others can come to their own opinion based upon that, however having read through those numbers, I came to the exactly opposite conclusion. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
One Eyed King nos nothi 7731	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:23:00 - [4] - Quote Big Burns wrote: I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. At this point, if I said the sky was blue, you would insist that it's green. That can be objectively measured with a spectrometer. You admitted that the benefits the AUR would bring would take 6 months to a year to achieve without it. Which means you don't NEED to spend AUR in order to get the same benefits. If Dust were P2W, those benefits would NEVER be achievable WITHOUT AUR. That is the definition of P2W. I get not liking some of the monetization going on, but throwing out inaccurate labels out of frustration is not constructive in any way, shape, or form. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.