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dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 719	Posted - 2015.02.09 06:46:00 - [1] - Quote I think that when simple trading is introduced in 1.1 it should be possible to not only trade items but also we should be able to just give items to each other just by clicking on someone's name and then having an option to "give item" in which an assets list then pops up and you can check which items shall be given and a quantity. What are your thoughts on this dust community? CEO Closed Beta Vet
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 347	Posted - 2015.02.09 08:33:00 - [2] - Quote I like it. Trading would mean that my infantry buds with badass-paint job tanks could give them to me and I could give them the Officer weapons I don't use.
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 261	Posted - 2015.02.09 08:54:00 - [3] - Quote This is how I see Simple Trading. What did you think it was? Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16949	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:25:00 - [4] - Quote Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7673	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:40:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Shudder gonna need to clear contacts. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Force Seventrum Mikanomic Force 35	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:05:00 - [6] - Quote Am I the only person who defines trading as: give someone X to get Y? But this will be a big step in the right direction. Only how to be sure about not being scamed by someone -.-. Black Market Webpage with reputation coming in 3 2 1 Green Light EVE:Legion!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7027	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:08:00 - [7] - Quote why can't you crib the trade window in EVE with double confirmation check? someone changes what's in the trade window? your confirmation terminates. done. Steal from EVE the tools we want whenever you can. AV
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2954	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:10:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes A better starting system would be similar to Contracts in Eve. List the item you want at the price you want (Isk or items). Others can see them and either accept or price their own competitively. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 863	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:10:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes that is not trading. if you send someone something, and receive nothing in return, then you have not traded an item. what you have done is given your item away to that person. there is a reason why we specifically ask for "Player Trade", and not simply the ability to send people items. the difference is real
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 217	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:39:00 - [10] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes that is not trading. if you send someone something, and receive nothing in return, then you have not traded an item. what you have done is given your item away to that person. there is a reason why we specifically ask for "Player Trade", and not simply the ability to send people items. the difference is real It's simple trading, advanced comes after. Choo Choo

Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 937	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:17:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah, this will be ok for people you know personally and can trust absolutely not to scam you - but for trading all our excess stuff (I have a ton of BPO's to get rid of), it'll wait until there's a contract or marketplace system.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1126	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:26:00 - [12] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Shudder gonna need to clear contacts. Good luck with that... took me months. Overlord of Broman
The-Errorist 1031	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:45:00 - [13] - Quote Guys, this is only the 1st step, there'll probably be more iterations building upon it. Suits, Tanks, a mode
Al the destroyer 0uter.Heaven 248	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:10:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Not perfect but a helluva start I'll take it! The sauce will thicken...... as you like.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 973	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:45:00 - [15] - Quote Please make sure you can't be given items by someone you have blocked. Your current design doesn't include an "Accept item" dialogue so it would be possible to give someone one of each MLT item just to screw with their fitting screen. Not a terrible fate - I know, but there should definitely be some way of denying an item. By the way, if you do make an "Accept item" dialogue, again make sure that it doesn't pop up for people you have blocked. Being spammed with "Important message! Do you want to accept this MLT Bolt Pistol?" would actually be worse than having to wade through a couple of MLT items in your fitting screen.
Pseudogenesis nos nothi 1659	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:04:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8595	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:14:00 - [17] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted. Welcome to New Eden. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1527	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:16:00 - [18] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted. You called? DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

deezy dabest 2153	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:21:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Please no. Do it just like give ISK. Why? Because the contact list loads horribly and even freezes some peoples PS3s. There is just honestly nothing enjoyable about the contact list.
The Eristic Dust 90210 791	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:34:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Time to send my friends 5000 Militia Precision Enhancers! Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

Pseudogenesis nos nothi 1660	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:47:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted. Welcome to New Eden. Err, Eve's system works because there's already a marketplace. I'm all for scamming, believe me, but forcing people into getting scammed because that's the only way to feasibly trade with other players is just bad for the user experience. There needs to be SOME kind of failsafe, I mean hell, you can't even chase the other player down and kill them or force them to return the goods like you can in Eve. Once you put up your end of the bargain you're completely at the mercy of the other player. That's just not healthy design. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 192	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:47:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes This is not gonna work, we need to be able to confirm the trade on both ends to ensure both parties recieve their isk/item. If not then this is simply player giving not trading. This is not suprising coming from ccp. Lack of for thought.
deezy dabest 2153	Posted - 2015.02.09 20:46:00 - [23] - Quote maluble wrote: This is not gonna work, we need to be able to confirm the trade on both ends to ensure both parties recieve their isk/item. If not then this is simply player giving not trading. This is not suprising coming from ccp. Lack of for thought. The fact that the skeleton crew is able to even get this together surprises me. Hopefully it dont cost AUR to send things. I agree that it should NOT be called simple trading. By no attempt at stretching the word is this anything more than gifting and should be titled as such. The scams that are going to come from this are nuts. New players are never going to have a chance and be scared **** less of using this function.
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 424	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:00:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Two more things added to the Drop Down when selecting a Character. Right now it is the following: Show Info Add Contact Block Send Mail Give Money Add the following: Give Item Trade Item Give item is exactly as you explained Rat... You are giving an item of "X" amount to another player. Trade item is a trade for "X" amount of items for "X" amount of isk, initiated by one player but confirmed by both. Initiating player offers an item and sets a required price. Trading partner confirms with an "Are you sure?". Partner receives item, Initiating player receives isk from Partner to complete the trade. Otherwise the new players will be scammed by vets. #1 scam will be selling BPC's that are similar in name to BPO's... but that one is another issue altogether. http://caughtyouflinching.ytmnd.com/
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 58	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:20:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send *** ASK FOR ISK OR ANOTHER ITEM * CCP Rattati wrote:** are you sure (you want finish the transaction) yes That is a Simple Trading.
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 661	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:56:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes I have a question... is this a foolish scenario? Put X amount of dropsuits/weapons/modules on the market for Y amount of isk ( in increments of 1,5,10,25,50 ) That stuff is put in your or your characters "stall" And wait or advertise for someone to buy it. Someone buys it and the stuff disappears from your "stall" and you get the isk. If nobody buys your stuff you lower your price or advertise more. When buying people search for: Lowest/highest price, character or corp. Why are you assuming i have or need contacts for selling my stuffs? GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4551	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:57:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Can we use the search function after selecting "send item to contact?" Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
deezy dabest 2156	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:58:00 - [28] - Quote The actual solution is quite simple. Select item -> create contract -> select quantity -> select isk Every player is allowed one contract on their account at a time. Once the contract is created. select player in squad or channel or whatever -> send contract -> person receives and accepts -> isk is removed from wallet and item is given. Not only does this protect people in trades it also makes it more difficult for people to trade off all of the officer weapons from your alts to your main without using a friend as receiving a contract would be just like a chat invite. You must be online.
deezy dabest 2156	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:06:00 - [29] - Quote How about this select player -> give item -> select item -> select quantity. For item selection just use the same menu that is used for fittings in a box just like the contacts list. First and foremost is do not use the contacts list. It is absolutely terrible once you have over 20 people on contacts and cleaning your contact list is even more of a pain.
SAUL-ARREOLA SOUTH GATE INC. 3	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:32:00 - [30] - Quote Trading should be exactly like defiance. Period. Isk for isk Item for item Or isk for item Or item for isk Or simple one puts up something And others doesn't put anything but both can accept on the trade. So thats like giving or trading for nothing .just cause you want to be cool or have a way of finding new friends, r

Hellsatano Academy Inferno E-R-A 476	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:40:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes its better trade EVE-style find char press X select Trade trade menu will be opened (assets one) for both players. add\remove option are you sure yes\no Protostomper Twich Youtube
PR0T0TYPE-PH0ENIX PR0JECT-MK-1 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.10 03:47:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes i think the should be an option to ask for a sum of isk as well when trading to avoid ppl scamming for items it should work like this go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty set isk amount send are you sure yes then the person get the trade in a mail like form stating "mr.merc wants to trade 100 balacs ck.0's for 9000 isk. do you accept?" are you sure yes this way ppl can set the amount to zero if they wish and the person your trading to doesn't need to be online

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17000	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:22:00 - [33] - Quote This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

deezy dabest 2158	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:31:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Thats fine just DO NOT use contacts. I am sounding like a broken record right now but I can not express enough how bad it will be for users trying to use the contacts list. This also has the potential to cause more system issues when people are constantly opening their list. If you dont believe me put 100 people on your contacts, open it, and then go into a match a few times. It can and will bog down your PS3. Off of just a few times through you will see performance reduction much like what happens with too many chat channels. The PS3 simply does not have the ram to handle all of these things.
Adipem Nothi nos nothi 6563	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:07:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Agreed 100%. Simple trading should be simple. Reputable middle men will come forward to satisfy demand. In the mean time, if you don't trust a merc, then don't trade with that merc. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 668	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:55:00 - [36] - Quote i would ask that you prior'tize player trading, we have been waiting so long and even if you don't see it as a #1 priority, we do. that being said the forums would be the best place to make a trade public, it won't stop scamming however if you get ripped off you can call the said merc out, however there will still be 100's of tickets flying to archduke (poor archduke) so i would suggest making a disclaimer on both the forums and in-game to only trade with those that you can trust. me myself, i was hoping for a confirmation window on both players end (merc A sends "I offer you (x)y", merc B sends "i offer (x)y for your (x)y", then confirmation window appears on both players screen listing the details of the trade and both hit x to initiate the trade.) and what is your stance on posting one's inventory on the forums? (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs _/ \
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 463	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:01:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Make it so I can move my alts gear to my main wo a middleman. Proud owner of 4 proto commandos and 3 proto sentinels. All except amarr sent, its a beginner heavy tbh.:p
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 865	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:29:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. You mention CEOs collecting assets from corp members for PC. Why can't we donate assets to the corp assets? I find it odd that under the assets tab it mentions corp assets but yet we don't have any. What were the corp assets supposed to be and when can we use the corp assets feature?
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2856	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:37:00 - [39] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: i would ask that you prior'tize player trading, we have been waiting so long and even if you don't see it as a #1 priority, we do. I'd much rather have vehicles and FW in a more solid place, thanks. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Pseudogenesis nos nothi 1684	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:41:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. Now I just need to figure out how to market myself as trustworthy I'm honorable I swear Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.

Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 661	Posted - 2015.02.10 08:23:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4553	Posted - 2015.02.10 09:55:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. If you want middlemen to be thing the more data hooks players can have to track this kind of activity the better. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 228	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:03:00 - [43] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. There will be a River of Song's. Choo Choo
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 628	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:26:00 - [44] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace".
PR0T0TYPE-PH0ENIX PR0JECT-MK-1 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:27:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. no i don't want a middle man thats nonsence i want to trade MY STUFF for YOUR STUFF and so what if it takes back end work thats what you guys get paid to do BY US. i'd rather you do it right and have to wait for trading then have it half arsed and a weak/broken system it's important that it be a direct trade between two mercs or you're going to have thousands of ppl cry on the forums about getting scammed and ask for you to reverse the trade. we need some sort of way to trade between alts and there need to be a way to confirm the trade is in order before accepting anything less will be a failure and just lead to issues that you will have to go back and fix eg. warbarges the idea was half cooked and now you need to find ways to fix them sames gonna happen with trading it takes less work to do it right the first time even if its a more indepth job.
Gabriel Ceja Ready to Play 85	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:59:00 - [46] - Quote The simple trading sounds cool but how soon can this be implemented because I want to trade some officer gear for the keys to some quafe HAVs "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
DJINN Jecture BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 256	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:09:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes buyer will pay: X items + Z isk seller will receive: Y items + Z isk fixed, its called a contract *Promoting Teamwork, Join a Squad Today!*
Psycho Mascara Banished Mercenaries 36	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:06:00 - [48] - Quote If this ideal of what CCP is doing with Simple Trading, can we or are we able to get AUR from this? cause some of the items are AUR uses so do we get ISKs and/or AUR? when Simple Trading comes out.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 647	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:14:00 - [49] - Quote One little thing is needed: - FILTERS - Even within assets choosing eg. light weapon and sort it to find one... is pain Just simply 'ring', used in Dust, with levels/meta filter can do miracles there. Not much time left...
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 235	Posted - 2015.02.10 22:47:00 - [50] - Quote please not the contacts list "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8647	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:25:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Inevitable question that follows: Any consideration toward Corporate Asset Banks in a separate UI..? I mean, don't get me wrong, sending it to the CEO is totally fine except for the fact that the CEO also has his own assets. Will likely just result in (for example) 'ChimeraCore BankAlt' characters being made. Which, I mean... I guess that's emergent gameplay but... Kinda roughshod. EDIT: Another thing is that Corporate Asset Banks could have separate Corp Roles that players could access... MEANING MORE ESPIONAGE as players can betray their corps by stealing all the assets We need this. Soooo much. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17060	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:38:00 - [52] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace". That's the plan "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 867	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:50:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace". That's the plan Ugh... Rattati. Log onto eve online, go to jita, and then watch the local chat. You know what that is? It's called spam. And if the chat channels really do cause lag, don't you think something like that will just make it worse?
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 671	Posted - 2015.02.11 03:02:00 - [54] - Quote forums re read the post deathwind (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs _/ \
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 220	Posted - 2015.02.11 04:10:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes This process is good, but it would also be cool, in addition to your idea Rattati, just clicking on a name within a chat channel or end of match screen and selecting "trade items" or "give items" where it takes you to your assets screen and you select and item and that item's quantity to give to the selected player. then giving you a pop up "are you sure" with yes and no answers. and that is the end of that alternate item trading process. PS: It would be important to have a player name shown in the 'confirmation of trade' screen. This will help players understand if they accidentally clicked the wrong name. Example in the confirmation window it asks you "Are you sure". I would add to this message by making the message say "Are you sure 'player name' should receive these items?"
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 222	Posted - 2015.02.11 04:30:00 - [56] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Agreed 100%. Simple trading should be simple. Reputable middle men will come forward to satisfy demand. In the mean time, if you don't trust a merc, then don't trade with that merc. As a middleman, I'd try to simplify pricing by coming up with a straight-forward convention for pricing. My first thoughts on the subject: I'd probably operate in lots that would make price calculations easy, i.e. stacks of 100. I'd try to buy up a reasonable inventory based on an easy to calculate discount from the normal NPC vendor prices. If the best price players can get for their gear, with Jara and a moderate loyalty rank is about 40% of the NPC vendor prices, I'd probably aim to buy gear from players at 60% and sell it at 80% of NPC vendor value. So if a proto weapon usually costs 47,220 isk, a stack of 100 would be 4,722,000 from the NPC vendor. So I'd offer to buy stacks for 60%, or 2,833,200 isk, and try to sell them for 3,777,600 isk. If players wouldn't usually be able to sell that gear for more than about 40%, they'd get an extra 944,000 isk. I'd make about that much, and buyers would get a discount of about that much, compared to buying from the NPC vendors. I'd try to adjust those percentages (my paying 60% and selling for 80% of NPC price) pretty quickly at first, based on the flow of inventory. Raising the percentages for things I have difficulty keeping in stock, lowering them for items I wind up overstocking. Thoughts? Questions? Alternative proposals? The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 465	Posted - 2015.02.11 07:27:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace". That's the plan There should be 2 options, trade and give. So I can easily give my alts gear to my main wo a middleman. This way there will be less scamming. Proud owner of 4 proto commandos and 3 proto sentinels. All except amarr sent, its a beginner heavy tbh.:p
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2015.02.11 17:51:00 - [58] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Agreed 100%. Simple trading should be simple. Reputable middle men will come forward to satisfy demand. In the mean time, if you don't trust a merc, then don't trade with that merc. As a middleman, I'd try to simplify pricing by coming up with a straight-forward convention. My first thoughts on the subject: I'd probably operate in lots that would make price calculations easy, i.e. stacks of 100. I'd try to buy up a reasonable inventory based on a discount from the normal NPC vendor prices. If the best price players can get for their gear, with Jara and a moderate loyalty rank is about 40% of the NPC vendor prices, I'd probably aim to buy gear from players at 60% and sell it at 80% of NPC vendor value. So if a proto weapon usually costs 47,220 isk, a stack of 100 would be 4,722,000 from the NPC vendor. So I'd offer to buy stacks for 60%, or 2,833,200 isk, and try to sell them for 3,777,600 isk. If players wouldn't usually be able to sell that gear for more than about 40%, they'd get an extra 944,000 isk. I'd make about that much, and buyers would get a discount of about that much, compared to buying from the NPC vendors. I'd try to adjust those percentages (my paying 60% and selling for 80% of NPC price) pretty quickly at first, based on the flow of inventory. Raising the percentages for things I have difficulty keeping in stock, lowering them for items I wind up overstocking. Thoughts? Questions? Alternative proposals? A real finance and sales person! I think there would be a split in the market. One market would pertain to officer weapons and salvage only items separate from your typical list items like you are proposing. Your services would come with a # day lag. Feel free to be a merchant but my suggestion would be to have a corp perform the trading you are discussing. Then many hands make the exchanges easier. For officer weapons there are very few stacks of 100. So these will be a buy 2 here and 10 there kind of thing. Considering that people need a reputation, we all better be aware that some people will be scammed. Lets put together some rules to help out players who aren't aware of how this works out. 1. Don't send someone you don't trust isk for an item you haven't seen. If you do that then let me tell you about some Saudi Gold I can get for $100 you just need to mail to a PO Box. I would recommend half up front and half upon receipt. 2. Get some of the isk first! This is the first rule of the oldest profession. 3. If you get ripped off, post it on the forums and be aware some people will be making alts to rip people off. We should start a page of known offenders. 4. GYN sounds like a salesman. We should establish that well known Corps backing a player proposing a sale should be a must. That way the bigger corps can boot the players who are alts and stealing. Like requiring a license to sell stock. 5 Don't cry wolf on someone for their reputation unless you know for a fact you got ripped off. 6. CCP - You need to be ready to ban some accounts if people ripping off other people gets out of hand. Or just take their isk and distribute it. 7. CCP - We also need to be able to see all the alts of any one PSN account. Why not make a page like the corp tracking page to give us that information. I may be ignorant to this already existing. Please add as needed. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4018	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:33:00 - [59] - Quote SImple trading in my mind is barter. Just like in borderlands. 4 slots for each player, they fill them or not, when both are satisfied they push accept trade. Some have luck, some have money, trading is not a crime. Minmatar omni-merc
m621 zma 286	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:21:00 - [60] - Quote What will you be doing about the free boosters given during NPE tutorial? If these can be traded, people will just farm alts for these and be constantly triple boosted whilst trading surplus. I'm up for just a 'give to' dialogue, troll some randoms by dropping a dragonfly off on them.


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17117	Posted - 2015.02.12 01:55:00 - [61] - Quote m621 zma wrote: What will you be doing about the free boosters given during NPE tutorial? If these can be traded, people will just farm alts for these and be constantly triple boosted whilst trading surplus. I'm up for just a 'give to' dialogue, troll some randoms by dropping a dragonfly off on them. There will be limits on some item trading until we have all exploits covered. Especially starter items. We could even create starter boosters that can't be traded. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 764	Posted - 2015.02.12 02:03:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: m621 zma wrote: What will you be doing about the free boosters given during NPE tutorial? If these can be traded, people will just farm alts for these and be constantly triple boosted whilst trading surplus. I'm up for just a 'give to' dialogue, troll some randoms by dropping a dragonfly off on them. There will be limits on some item trading until we have all exploits covered. Especially starter items. We could even create starter boosters that can't be traded. You notice how I haven't replied once to this thread? I made the post to be that I was suggesting an "idea" but really I just wanted some confirmation that I could trade to myself without having to use a middle man or having to use more than one PS3. I just wanted that blue tag, and you did not fail. Thanks. CEO Closed Beta Vet
Anthany sandifer The2nd Eternal Beings 23	Posted - 2015.02.12 02:14:00 - [63] - Quote ......... caldari logistics
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 228	Posted - 2015.02.12 02:37:00 - [64] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: ... Alternative proposals? Lets put together some rules to help out players who aren't aware of how this works out. 1. Don't send someone you don't trust isk for an item you haven't seen. If you do that then let me tell you about some Saudi Gold I can get for $100 you just need to mail to a PO Box. I would recommend half up front and half upon receipt. 2. Get some of the isk first! This is the first rule of the oldest profession. 3. If you get ripped off, post it on the forums and be aware some people will be making alts to rip people off. We should start a page of known offenders. 4. GYN sounds like a salesman. We should establish that well known Corps backing a player proposing a sale should be a must. That way the bigger corps can boot the players who are alts and stealing. Like requiring a license to sell stock. 5 Don't cry wolf on someone for their reputation unless you know for a fact you got ripped off. 6. CCP - You need to be ready to ban some accounts if people ripping off other people gets out of hand. Or just take their isk and distribute it. 7. CCP - We also need to be able to see all the alts of any one PSN account. Why not make a page like the corp tracking page to give us that information. I may be ignorant to this already existing. Please add as needed. I wouldn't be willing to operate that way. With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. The reason is simple. If I'm going to stay in business, I can't run around scamming people. If I use any other procedure, some portion of my customers will almost certainly rip me off, which is a cost I'm not willing to bear. With respect to #3, tracking known scammers doesn't work. As soon as their notoriety becomes an impediment, they create a new scamming account. Just play Eve Online in a major trade hub, and see how long it takes you to learn to ignore the scammers in local chat, instead of making any active effort to counter them, like blocking them or posting their identities somewhere. The other side of that coin is much easier to manage: develop people with good reputations and track records for honoring their financial obligations. Make sure the people who are reputable escrows or trade partners are well known. Its a lot easier than trying to make scammers well known. With respect to #4, I actually cringed when I read that. I am not a salesman. I'm pretty much the opposite of a salesman. With respect to #5, 6, and 7, I don't believe CCP is going to lift a finger to stop players from ripping off other players with respect to entirely-in-game items or currency. That's a part of CCP's thing: attracting every budding psychopath out to ruin someone else's day in a game. I'd only expect CCP to enforce a transaction if it could undermine their real world profits, i.e. people trying to scam things that sell for real money outside the game, like game codes. Character sales and exchanges also involve real world money and income for CCP, so they'll enforce/punish in relation to those. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy 500	Posted - 2015.02.12 02:41:00 - [65] - Quote Ive been saying this forever. Now they listen. Gassault Calogi and more. `- Open Beta Vet - 35mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 767	Posted - 2015.02.12 03:36:00 - [66] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. So let me get this straight...you want people to fork over their items BEFORE you fork over the cash. But when it comes to you forking over items you want the ISK first!? I predict no one trading with you in the future... CEO Closed Beta Vet
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5308	Posted - 2015.02.12 06:17:00 - [67] - Quote dy5t0pia wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. So let me get this straight...you want people to fork over their items BEFORE you fork over the cash. But when it comes to you forking over items you want the ISK first!? I predict no one trading with you in the future... That's the Chribba way. When you've established a genuine reputation as a legitimate broker you can set the terms. Neckbeard for Good charity shave
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7122	Posted - 2015.02.12 06:41:00 - [68] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: dy5t0pia wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. So let me get this straight...you want people to fork over their items BEFORE you fork over the cash. But when it comes to you forking over items you want the ISK first!? I predict no one trading with you in the future... That's the Chribba way. When you've established a genuine reputation as a legitimate broker you can set the terms. When you operate with a middleman, you transfer the ISK, the items in question and his fee to him. Then he makes delivery to both parties. Chribba has a rep in EVE because he follows through. As a result he is among the richest players in EVE. It's very simple. If you're a scammer you become known. If you never bone people on a broker job ever you can more or less name your price. Trade outside the marketplace is reputation-critical. AV
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4593	Posted - 2015.02.12 06:49:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: m621 zma wrote: What will you be doing about the free boosters given during NPE tutorial? If these can be traded, people will just farm alts for these and be constantly triple boosted whilst trading surplus. I'm up for just a 'give to' dialogue, troll some randoms by dropping a dragonfly off on them. There will be limits on some item trading until we have all exploits covered. Especially starter items. We could even create starter boosters that can't be traded. I would def prefer soul-locked starter boosters than preventing all boosters from being trading. I really think that boosters could end up as the PLEX of Dust. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1532	Posted - 2015.02.12 07:06:00 - [70] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: dy5t0pia wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. So let me get this straight...you want people to fork over their items BEFORE you fork over the cash. But when it comes to you forking over items you want the ISK first!? I predict no one trading with you in the future... That's the Chribba way. When you've established a genuine reputation as a legitimate broker you can set the terms. When you operate with a middleman, you transfer the ISK, the items in question and his fee to him. Then he makes delivery to both parties. Chribba has a rep in EVE because he follows through. As a result he is among the richest players in EVE. It's very simple. If you're a scammer you become known. If you never bone people on a broker job ever you can more or less name your price. Trade outside the marketplace is reputation-critical. Adding to that, of course the absolute hardest part is to actually build that trust. Something most pilots and mercs (I would assume) are not patient enough to do. Just knowing it took me years to build the trust I have today. For me personally I hope the trading will be designed in such a way that I can offer my services here as well /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status


Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7123	Posted - 2015.02.12 07:09:00 - [71] - Quote I'm patient enough. Besides, I only run one type of scam. Trade scams aren't it. AV
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 272	Posted - 2015.02.12 07:18:00 - [72] - Quote -Dont call this Trading, it's not rven a simple one. A trade is an exchange between 2 people, there is no exchange in the feature you're adding in.. -Please, don't use the contact list.. It takes years to open it. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7123	Posted - 2015.02.12 08:27:00 - [73] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: -Dont call this Trading, it's not rven a simple one. A trade is an exchange between 2 people, there is no exchange in the feature you're adding in.. -Please, don't use the contact list.. It takes years to open it. Yeah the contact list is a giant failbucket. AV
The-Errorist 1042	Posted - 2015.02.12 10:29:00 - [74] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: ... Alternative proposals? Lets put together some rules to help out players who aren't aware of how this works out. 1. Don't send someone you don't trust isk for an item you haven't seen. If you do that then let me tell you about some Saudi Gold I can get for $100 you just need to mail to a PO Box. I would recommend half up front and half upon receipt. 2. Get some of the isk first! This is the first rule of the oldest profession. 3. If you get ripped off, post it on the forums and be aware some people will be making alts to rip people off. We should start a page of known offenders. 4. GYN sounds like a salesman. We should establish that well known Corps backing a player proposing a sale should be a must. That way the bigger corps can boot the players who are alts and stealing. Like requiring a license to sell stock. 5 Don't cry wolf on someone for their reputation unless you know for a fact you got ripped off. 6. CCP - You need to be ready to ban some accounts if people ripping off other people gets out of hand. Or just take their isk and distribute it. 7. CCP - We also need to be able to see all the alts of any one PSN account. Why not make a page like the corp tracking page to give us that information. I may be ignorant to this already existing. Please add as needed. I wouldn't be willing to operate that way. With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. The reason is simple. If I'm going to stay in business, I can't run around scamming people. If I use any other procedure, some portion of my customers will almost certainly rip me off, which is a cost I'm not willing to bear. With respect to #3, tracking known scammers doesn't work. As soon as their notoriety becomes an impediment, they create a new scamming account. Just play Eve Online in a major trade hub, and see how long it takes you to learn to ignore the scammers in local chat, instead of making any active effort to counter them, like blocking them or posting their identities somewhere. The other side of that coin is much easier to manage: develop people with good reputations and track records for honoring their financial obligations. Make sure the people who are reputable escrows or trade partners are well known. Its a lot easier than trying to make scammers well known. With respect to #4, I actually cringed when I read that. I am not a salesman. I'm pretty much the opposite of a salesman. With respect to #5, 6, and 7, I don't believe CCP is going to lift a finger to stop players from ripping off other players with respect to entirely-in-game items or currency. That's a part of CCP's thing: attracting every budding psychopath out to ruin someone else's day in a game. I'd only expect CCP to enforce a transaction if it could undermine their real world profits, i.e. people trying to scam things that sell for real money outside the game, like game codes. Character sales and exchanges also involve real world money and income for CCP, so they'll enforce/punish in relation to those. You had me on "I am not a salesman"; take all of my money. Suits, Tanks, a mode
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 229	Posted - 2015.02.12 13:59:00 - [75] - Quote dy5t0pia wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. So let me get this straight...you want people to fork over their items BEFORE you fork over the cash. But when it comes to you forking over items you want the ISK first!? I predict no one trading with you in the future... Those are precisely the terms on which I've operated the currency exchange between Eve and Dust for more than a year. If you follow that link in my signature line, you can read the entire discussion that led to that procedure, including the circumstances where I considered making an exception. Just like the currency exchange though, I don't think there are going to be enough people acting as reliable middlemen to be more interested in competing with each other rather than working more like a cooperative. I don't mean that as much in the sense of price collusion as infrequent cooperation, to cover each other's shortages while making price adjustments to avoid shortages. If there aren't enough middlemen, we can't have a robust market. What are the chances of getting better market tools if "simple trading" dies on the table for lack of use? The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 229	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:04:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes I can't believe I didn't think to ask this sooner: Can the consequences of the above procedure be delivery of the selected quantity of items AND an EVE mail from the sender to the receiver saying something similarly simple " _(quantity)_ of _(item)_ sent." If I have to track changes in my assets to know what people have sent me, that's going to be a colossal pain in the rear for anyone trying to function as a middleman. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2015.02.12 16:54:00 - [77] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: ... Alternative proposals? Lets put together some rules to help out players who aren't aware of how this works out. 1. Don't send someone you don't trust isk for an item you haven't seen. If you do that then let me tell you about some Saudi Gold I can get for $100 you just need to mail to a PO Box. I would recommend half up front and half upon receipt. 2. Get some of the isk first! This is the first rule of the oldest profession. 3. If you get ripped off, post it on the forums and be aware some people will be making alts to rip people off. We should start a page of known offenders. 4. GYN sounds like a salesman. We should establish that well known Corps backing a player proposing a sale should be a must. That way the bigger corps can boot the players who are alts and stealing. Like requiring a license to sell stock. 5 Don't cry wolf on someone for their reputation unless you know for a fact you got ripped off. 6. CCP - You need to be ready to ban some accounts if people ripping off other people gets out of hand. Or just take their isk and distribute it. 7. CCP - We also need to be able to see all the alts of any one PSN account. Why not make a page like the corp tracking page to give us that information. I may be ignorant to this already existing. Please add as needed. I wouldn't be willing to operate that way. With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery. The reason is simple. If I'm going to stay in business, I can't run around scamming people. If I use any other procedure, some portion of my customers will almost certainly rip me off, which is a cost I'm not willing to bear. With respect to #3, tracking known scammers doesn't work. As soon as their notoriety becomes an impediment, they create a new scamming account. Just play Eve Online in a major trade hub, and see how long it takes you to learn to ignore the scammers in local chat, instead of making any active effort to counter them, like blocking them or posting their identities somewhere. The other side of that coin is much easier to manage: develop people with good reputations and track records for honoring their financial obligations. Make sure the people who are reputable escrows or trade partners are well known. Its a lot easier than trying to make scammers well known. With respect to #4, I actually cringed when I read that. I am not a salesman. I'm pretty much the opposite of a salesman. With respect to #5, 6, and 7, I don't believe CCP is going to lift a finger to stop players from ripping off other players with respect to entirely-in-game items or currency. That's a part of CCP's thing: attracting every budding psychopath out to ruin someone else's day in a game. I'd only expect CCP to enforce a transaction if it could undermine their real world profits, i.e. people trying to scam things that sell for real money outside the game, like game codes. Character sales and exchanges also involve real world money and income for CCP, so they'll enforce/punish in relation to those. Guess I am becoming the trade regulator. So EVE has a system where I can track you down and make your life hell after you scam me. Dust is much harder to establish that punishment because I can't follow you after you steal from me. I have to agree with others that the middle man piece would work for you to get your money, if we trusted you. But you poo poo the idea of us making a list of scammers on the forums. Also you poo poo the corps being required to back you. Just wow dude. You are standing here as the stock broker and saying, we don't really need an FCC or better business bureau. Trust me, I will take your money and items where they need to go. If you plan on making money, expect to put money into the game. If you don't anti up you can't play. I would like to see a district holding corp back the middle man. If we think you are scamming, we roll your district. You have skin in the game just like us. We just take our payment in clone packs. BTW - This is me explaining as a community that trust is going to be hard to establish day 1 if you guys don't put yourselves out there. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2015.02.12 18:02:00 - [78] - Quote If trading involves opening contacts and opening assets (the two slowest pages you can open on your neocom) I can see many people not bothering with low value trades and this will be a shame for new bros. I've got plenty of stuff lying around that I would willingly donate to new players but not if it takes 30+ seconds to send a single consignment to someone. Trades will be limited to officer gear, BPOs and collectibles if the time to make a trade is too long.
raven glow Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.12 18:44:00 - [79] - Quote this would be amazing. i have so many bpo's on different accounts. would be nice to move them all to one account :D also would allow a new side to being a gun merchant etc HA YES JUST YES me and you, hint hint :D CLICK ME
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 231	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:29:00 - [80] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: ... I would recommend half up front and half upon receipt. ... ...The reason is simple. If I'm going to stay in business, I can't run around scamming people. If I use any other procedure, some portion of my customers will almost certainly rip me off, which is a cost I'm not willing to bear. .... I note that you didn't defend that recommendation. Are you withdrawing it? Do you need additional discussion to understand it as an invitation for scammers to put middlemen out of business? Balistyc Farshot wrote: So EVE has a system where I can track you down and make your life hell after you scam me. It really doesn't. Every time I visit Jita, Dodixie, Rens, there's a whole new crop of scammers. Do you have any experience with successfully making even a single scammer's life hell? Its a nice idea, but my impression is that scammers use disposable characters. It seems unlikely that you or anyone is going to punish them. However, by all means, make your scammer lists. If you keep even a single newbie from getting scammed, I'll praise your effort as having been totally worth whatever time you spent on it. On the other hand, if you find your efforts seem to be wasted, try to remember that I warned you, and advised you where your efforts could be better spent. Can we agree that its easier to keep track of a small number of trusted escrows than a large perpetually changing pool of scammers? That's the main point I wanted to make in response to your proposal. Balistyc Farshot wrote: You are standing here as the stock broker and saying, we don't really need an FCC or better business bureau. Trust me, I will take your money and items where they need to go. If you plan on making money, expect to put money into the game. If you don't anti up you can't play. I would like to see a district holding corp back the middle man. If we think you are scamming, we roll your district. You have skin in the game just like us. We just take our payment in clone packs. BTW - This is me explaining as a community that trust is going to be hard to establish day 1 if you guys don't put yourselves out there. I find it odd that instead of addressing ideas directly, you feel the need to characterize me as a "salesman" or "stock broker" or mischaracterize what I've written. I don't feel the need to insult you in the process of disagreeing with you. Can you cite an example of an in game corporation (many individuals, as opposed to a single individual with several alts) functioning as a trusted escrow? A "trusted" corporation seems like an opportunity to diffuse responsibility, rather than increasing reliability. I don't suppose you actually followed the link in my sig, so I'll make it easier. This is the page reviewing the first year of my currency exchange's operation. I'm happy to discuss why I've chosen to operate this way, if you have any questions that aren't addressed in that thread. If you'd like to continue addressing the ideas you've raised (partial payments, scammer lists, corporate backing, and CCP enforcement) I'm happy to do that too. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread

PR0T0TYPE-PH0ENIX PR0JECT-MK-1 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.13 05:35:00 - [81] - Quote please rattai do not implement trading unless you make it so that i can do a direct trade with someone as in isk/aur for items or items for items as well as a double confirmation check box meaning both parties need to accept the trade b4 it happens as well as a window that we can both see the items and isk/aur in the trade thankyou
Lavallois Nash Federal Transfers and Trades 489	Posted - 2015.02.13 05:51:00 - [82] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: I can't believe I didn't think to ask this sooner: Can the consequences of the above procedure be delivery of the selected quantity of items AND an automated EVE-mail from the sender to the receiver saying something similarly simple " _(quantity)_ of _(item)_ sent." If I have to track changes in my assets to know what people have sent me, that's going to be a colossal pain in the rear for anyone trying to function as a middleman. This is actually one of my biggest headaches in ironing out how im going to move into being a merchant. I have a KB/M, so i can send out customized receipts with ease. But people sending to me, if they have a controller, is going to be hassle to make me a minimum listed receipt with the items and quantities sent. An auto generate like that would be a major lifesaver. +1 +1 !! lol.
Alena Ventrallis Intara Direct Action Caldari State 2546	Posted - 2015.02.13 14:03:00 - [83] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes Eve contracts would prevent scamming far easier. I can easily take advantage of this system. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 233	Posted - 2015.02.13 14:08:00 - [84] - Quote Lavallois Nash wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: I can't believe I didn't think to ask this sooner: Can the consequences of the above procedure be delivery of the selected quantity of items AND an automated EVE-mail from the sender to the receiver saying something similarly simple " _(quantity)_ of _(item)_ sent." If I have to track changes in my assets to know what people have sent me, that's going to be a colossal pain in the rear for anyone trying to function as a middleman. This is actually one of my biggest headaches in ironing out how im going to move into being a merchant. I have a KB/M, so i can send out customized receipts with ease. But people sending to me, if they have a controller, is going to be hassle to make me a minimum listed receipt with the items and quantities sent. An auto generate like that would be a major lifesaver. +1 +1 !! lol. Without that feature, open advertising and rates won't be possible. If player A and player B both claim to have sent me a stack of x, but there's no way for me to tell which one sent the stack that increased my inventory, I can't have an open advertisement that anyone can accept. Every transfer would require prior eve-mail and delivery before anyone else could send the same item. Otherwise there's no way to tell who to pay. What if your inventory for x goes up by 100 but both player A and player B claim to have sent you 100 of x? If there's no way to resolve that, the amount of work required to be a middleman will be massive and trade will be slow. Would the code to automate an evemail (which I get every time someone applies OR WITHDRAWS an application to join my corp...) be at all difficult to implement for trades.. or "simple gifting" if that's more accurate? The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2015.02.13 18:15:00 - [85] - Quote Just an FYI - This is going to probably start out between friends and corp mates. I think if it is successful we will find a way to navigate this, lets be humble and happy. Overall this is a great change and we should break the thumbs up for Rattiti on this. Remember how the last two years we were told this couldn't be done and within 2 months the new CCP has incorporated a sell back feature and now trading which we begged for. GREAT F***ING JOB NEW CCP! You are spoiling us and we love it. Keep up the good work. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).


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