What will you be doing about the free boosters given during NPE tutorial? If these can be traded, people will just farm alts for these and be constantly triple boosted whilst trading surplus.

I'm up for just a 'give to' dialogue, troll some randoms by dropping a dragonfly off on them.

There will be limits on some item trading until we have all exploits covered. Especially starter items. We could even create starter boosters that can't be traded.

Lets put together some rules to help out players who aren't aware of how this works out.

1. Don't send someone you don't trust isk for an item you haven't seen. If you do that then let me tell you about some Saudi Gold I can get for $100 you just need to mail to a PO Box. I would recommend half up front and half upon receipt.
2. Get some of the isk first! This is the first rule of the oldest profession.
3. If you get ripped off, post it on the forums and be aware some people will be making alts to rip people off. We should start a page of known offenders.
4. GYN sounds like a salesman. We should establish that well known Corps backing a player proposing a sale should be a must. That way the bigger corps can boot the players who are alts and stealing. Like requiring a license to sell stock.
5 Don't cry wolf on someone for their reputation unless you know for a fact you got ripped off.
6. CCP - You need to be ready to ban some accounts if people ripping off other people gets out of hand. Or just take their isk and distribute it.
7. CCP - We also need to be able to see all the alts of any one PSN account. Why not make a page like the corp tracking page to give us that information. I may be ignorant to this already existing.

Please add as needed.

With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery.

So let me get this straight...you want people to fork over their items BEFORE you fork over the cash. But when it comes to you forking over items you want the ISK first!?

I predict no one trading with you in the future...

That's the Chribba way.
When you've established a genuine reputation as a legitimate broker you can set the terms.

There will be limits on some item trading until we have all exploits covered. Especially starter items. We could even create starter boosters that can't be traded.

When you operate with a middleman, you transfer the ISK, the items in question and his fee to him. Then he makes delivery to both parties.

Chribba has a rep in EVE because he follows through. As a result he is among the richest players in EVE.

It's very simple. If you're a scammer you become known.

If you never bone people on a broker job ever you can more or less name your price.

Trade outside the marketplace is reputation-critical.

-Dont call this Trading, it's not rven a simple one. A trade is an exchange between 2 people, there is no exchange in the feature you're adding in..

-Please, don't use the contact list.. It takes years to open it.

I wouldn't be willing to operate that way.

With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery.

The reason is simple. If I'm going to stay in business, I can't run around scamming people. If I use any other procedure, some portion of my customers will almost certainly rip me off, which is a cost I'm not willing to bear.

With respect to #3, tracking known scammers doesn't work. As soon as their notoriety becomes an impediment, they create a new scamming account. Just play Eve Online in a major trade hub, and see how long it takes you to learn to ignore the scammers in local chat, instead of making any active effort to counter them, like blocking them or posting their identities somewhere. The other side of that coin is much easier to manage: develop people with good reputations and track records for honoring their financial obligations. Make sure the people who are reputable escrows or trade partners are well known. Its a lot easier than trying to make scammers well known.

With respect to #4, I actually cringed when I read that. I am not a salesman. I'm pretty much the opposite of a salesman.

With respect to #5, 6, and 7, I don't believe CCP is going to lift a finger to stop players from ripping off other players with respect to entirely-in-game items or currency. That's a part of CCP's thing: attracting every budding psychopath out to ruin someone else's day in a game. I'd only expect CCP to enforce a transaction if it could undermine their real world profits, i.e. people trying to scam things that sell for real money outside the game, like game codes. Character sales and exchanges also involve real world money and income for CCP, so they'll enforce/punish in relation to those.

So let me get this straight...you want people to fork over their items BEFORE you fork over the cash. But when it comes to you forking over items you want the ISK first!?

I predict no one trading with you in the future...

Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes

I wouldn't be willing to operate that way.

With respect to # 1 and 2, people selling me gear have to send the gear to me before I pay them. People buying gear from me have to pay me first. Full payment, not half before/half after delivery.

The reason is simple. If I'm going to stay in business, I can't run around scamming people. If I use any other procedure, some portion of my customers will almost certainly rip me off, which is a cost I'm not willing to bear.

With respect to #3, tracking known scammers doesn't work. As soon as their notoriety becomes an impediment, they create a new scamming account. Just play Eve Online in a major trade hub, and see how long it takes you to learn to ignore the scammers in local chat, instead of making any active effort to counter them, like blocking them or posting their identities somewhere. The other side of that coin is much easier to manage: develop people with good reputations and track records for honoring their financial obligations. Make sure the people who are reputable escrows or trade partners are well known. Its a lot easier than trying to make scammers well known.

With respect to #4, I actually cringed when I read that. I am not a salesman. I'm pretty much the opposite of a salesman.

With respect to #5, 6, and 7, I don't believe CCP is going to lift a finger to stop players from ripping off other players with respect to entirely-in-game items or currency. That's a part of CCP's thing: attracting every budding psychopath out to ruin someone else's day in a game. I'd only expect CCP to enforce a transaction if it could undermine their real world profits, i.e. people trying to scam things that sell for real money outside the game, like game codes. Character sales and exchanges also involve real world money and income for CCP, so they'll enforce/punish in relation to those.

So EVE has a system where I can track you down and make your life hell after you scam me.

You are standing here as the stock broker and saying, we don't really need an FCC or better business bureau. Trust me, I will take your money and items where they need to go.
If you plan on making money, expect to put money into the game. If you don't anti up you can't play. I would like to see a district holding corp back the middle man. If we think you are scamming, we roll your district. You have skin in the game just like us. We just take our payment in clone packs.
BTW - This is me explaining as a community that trust is going to be hard to establish day 1 if you guys don't put yourselves out there.

I can't believe I didn't think to ask this sooner: Can the consequences of the above procedure be delivery of the selected quantity of items AND an automated EVE-mail from the sender to the receiver saying something similarly simple " _(quantity)_ of _(item)_ sent."

If I have to track changes in my assets to know what people have sent me, that's going to be a colossal pain in the rear for anyone trying to function as a middleman.

Simple Trading as I define it is



go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes

This is actually one of my biggest headaches in ironing out how im going to move into being a merchant. I have a KB/M, so i can send out customized receipts with ease. But people sending to me, if they have a controller, is going to be hassle to make me a minimum listed receipt with the items and quantities sent.

An auto generate like that would be a major lifesaver. +1 +1 !! lol.