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dy5t0pia
The dyst0pian Corporation
719
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Posted - 2015.02.09 06:46:00 -
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I think that when simple trading is introduced in 1.1 it should be possible to not only trade items but also we should be able to just give items to each other just by clicking on someone's name and then having an option to "give item" in which an assets list then pops up and you can check which items shall be given and a quantity. What are your thoughts on this dust community?
CEO
Closed Beta Vet
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
347
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Posted - 2015.02.09 08:33:00 -
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I like it. Trading would mean that my infantry buds with badass-paint job tanks could give them to me and I could give them the Officer weapons I don't use. |
Sequal's Back
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2015.02.09 08:54:00 -
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This is how I see Simple Trading. What did you think it was?
Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name.
Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
16949
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:25:00 -
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Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7673
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:40:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
*Shudder* gonna need to clear contacts.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Force Seventrum
Mikanomic Force
35
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:05:00 -
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Am I the only person who defines trading as: give someone X to get Y?
But this will be a big step in the right direction. Only how to be sure about not being scamed by someone -.-.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7027
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:08:00 -
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why can't you crib the trade window in EVE with double confirmation check?
someone changes what's in the trade window? your confirmation terminates.
done.
Steal from EVE the tools we want whenever you can.
AV
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2954
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
A better starting system would be similar to Contracts in Eve.
List the item you want at the price you want (Isk or items). Others can see them and either accept or price their own competitively.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
VP Gaming Alliance
863
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
that is not trading. if you send someone something, and receive nothing in return, then you have not traded an item. what you have done is given your item away to that person.
there is a reason why we specifically ask for "Player Trade", and not simply the ability to send people items.
the difference is real |
duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:39:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
that is not trading. if you send someone something, and receive nothing in return, then you have not traded an item. what you have done is given your item away to that person. there is a reason why we specifically ask for "Player Trade", and not simply the ability to send people items. the difference is real
It's simple trading, advanced comes after.
Choo Choo
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
937
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Posted - 2015.02.09 16:17:00 -
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Yeah, this will be ok for people you know personally and can trust absolutely not to scam you - but for trading all our excess stuff (I have a ton of BPO's to get rid of), it'll wait until there's a contract or marketplace system. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1126
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Posted - 2015.02.09 17:26:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
*Shudder* gonna need to clear contacts.
Good luck with that... took me months.
Overlord of Broman
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The-Errorist
1031
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Posted - 2015.02.09 17:45:00 -
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Guys, this is only the 1st step, there'll probably be more iterations building upon it.
Suits, Tanks, a mode
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
248
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
Not perfect but a helluva start I'll take it!
The sauce will thicken...... as you like.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
973
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:45:00 -
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Please make sure you can't be given items by someone you have blocked.
Your current design doesn't include an "Accept item" dialogue so it would be possible to give someone one of each MLT item just to screw with their fitting screen. Not a terrible fate - I know, but there should definitely be some way of denying an item.
By the way, if you do make an "Accept item" dialogue, again make sure that it doesn't pop up for people you have blocked. Being spammed with "Important message! Do you want to accept this MLT Bolt Pistol?" would actually be worse than having to wade through a couple of MLT items in your fitting screen. |
Pseudogenesis
nos nothi
1659
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:04:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted.
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8595
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:14:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted.
Welcome to New Eden.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
1527
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:16:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted.
You called? 
DUSTBoard
DUST Server Status
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deezy dabest
2153
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:21:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
Please no.
Do it just like give ISK.
Why? Because the contact list loads horribly and even freezes some peoples PS3s. There is just honestly nothing enjoyable about the contact list. |
The Eristic
Dust 90210
791
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:34:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
Time to send my friends 5000 Militia Precision Enhancers!
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Pseudogenesis
nos nothi
1660
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
This terrifies me a little, if there's no failsafe against scamming then the system will basically be dead on arrival, and it'll just make people mad. Either a bunch of Chribba-style middlemen pop up out of nowhere (Which I'm totally willing to do if anybody wants, scout's honor) or nobody trades for fear of getting shafted. Welcome to New Eden.
Err, Eve's system works because there's already a marketplace. I'm all for scamming, believe me, but forcing people into getting scammed because that's the only way to feasibly trade with other players is just bad for the user experience. There needs to be SOME kind of failsafe, I mean hell, you can't even chase the other player down and kill them or force them to return the goods like you can in Eve. Once you put up your end of the bargain you're completely at the mercy of the other player. That's just not healthy design.
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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maluble
Art.of.Death
VP Gaming Alliance
192
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:47:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
This is not gonna work, we need to be able to confirm the trade on both ends to ensure both parties recieve their isk/item. If not then this is simply player giving not trading.
This is not suprising coming from ccp. Lack of for thought.
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deezy dabest
2153
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Posted - 2015.02.09 20:46:00 -
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maluble wrote:
This is not gonna work, we need to be able to confirm the trade on both ends to ensure both parties recieve their isk/item. If not then this is simply player giving not trading.
This is not suprising coming from ccp. Lack of for thought.
The fact that the skeleton crew is able to even get this together surprises me. Hopefully it dont cost AUR to send things.
I agree that it should NOT be called simple trading. By no attempt at stretching the word is this anything more than gifting and should be titled as such.
The scams that are going to come from this are nuts. New players are never going to have a chance and be scared **** less of using this function.
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STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
424
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:00:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
Two more things added to the Drop Down when selecting a Character.
Right now it is the following:
Show Info
Add Contact
Block
Send Mail
Give Money
Add the following:
Give Item
Trade Item
Give item is exactly as you explained Rat...
You are giving an item of "X" amount to another player.
Trade item is a trade for "X" amount of items for "X" amount of isk, initiated by one player but confirmed by both.
Initiating player offers an item and sets a required price. Trading partner confirms with an "Are you sure?".
Partner receives item, Initiating player receives isk from Partner to complete the trade.
Otherwise the new players will be scammed by vets.
#1 scam will be selling BPC's that are similar in name to BPO's... but that one is another issue altogether.
http://caughtyouflinching.ytmnd.com/
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Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
58
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:20:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
***** **** ASK FOR ISK OR ANOTHER ITEM *****
CCP Rattati wrote:
are you sure (you want finish the transaction)
yes
That is a Simple Trading.  |
Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University
Ivy League
661
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Posted - 2015.02.09 23:56:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
I have a question... is this a foolish scenario?
Put X amount of dropsuits/weapons/modules on the market for Y amount of isk ( in increments of 1,5,10,25,50 )
That stuff is put in your or your characters "stall"
And wait or advertise for someone to buy it.
Someone buys it and the stuff disappears from your "stall" and you get the isk.
If nobody buys your stuff you lower your price or advertise more.
When buying people search for: Lowest/highest price, character or corp.
Why are you assuming i have or need contacts for selling my stuffs?
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback
4551
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Posted - 2015.02.10 01:57:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Simple Trading as I define it is
go to item in assets
press X
send item to Contact (not player)
select qty
send
are you sure
yes
Can we use the search function after selecting "send item to contact?"
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
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deezy dabest
2156
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Posted - 2015.02.10 01:58:00 -
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The actual solution is quite simple.
Select item -> create contract -> select quantity -> select isk
Every player is allowed one contract on their account at a time.
Once the contract is created.
select player in squad or channel or whatever -> send contract -> person receives and accepts -> isk is removed from wallet and item is given.
Not only does this protect people in trades it also makes it more difficult for people to trade off all of the officer weapons from your alts to your main without using a friend as receiving a contract would be just like a chat invite. You must be online. |
deezy dabest
2156
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Posted - 2015.02.10 02:06:00 -
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How about this
select player -> give item -> select item -> select quantity.
For item selection just use the same menu that is used for fittings in a box just like the contacts list.
First and foremost is do not use the contacts list. It is absolutely terrible once you have over 20 people on contacts and cleaning your contact list is even more of a pain. |
SAUL-ARREOLA
SOUTH GATE INC.
3
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Posted - 2015.02.10 02:32:00 -
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Trading should be exactly like defiance. Period.
Isk for isk
Item for item
Or isk for item
Or item for isk
Or simple one puts up something
And others doesn't put anything but both can accept on the trade.
So thats like giving or trading for nothing .just cause you want to be cool or have a way of finding new friends, r |
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