DUST Search - [IDEA]Simple Trading

Gyn Wallace wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC.

Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking.

This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features.

Agreed 100%. Simple trading should be simple. Reputable middle men will come forward to satisfy demand. In the mean time, if you don't trust a merc, then don't trade with that merc.

As a middleman, I'd try to simplify pricing by coming up with a straight-forward convention. My first thoughts on the subject:

I'd probably operate in lots that would make price calculations easy, i.e. stacks of 100. I'd try to buy up a reasonable inventory based on a discount from the normal NPC vendor prices. If the best price players can get for their gear, with Jara and a moderate loyalty rank is about 40% of the NPC vendor prices, I'd probably aim to buy gear from players at 60% and sell it at 80% of NPC vendor value.

So if a proto weapon usually costs 47,220 isk, a stack of 100 would be 4,722,000 from the NPC vendor. So I'd offer to buy stacks for 60%, or 2,833,200 isk, and try to sell them for 3,777,600 isk.

If players wouldn't usually be able to sell that gear for more than about 40%, they'd get an extra 944,000 isk. I'd make about that much, and buyers would get a discount of about that much, compared to buying from the NPC vendors.

I'd try to adjust those percentages (my paying 60% and selling for 80% of NPC price) pretty quickly at first, based on the flow of inventory. Raising the percentages for things I have difficulty keeping in stock, lowering them for items I wind up overstocking. Thoughts? Questions? Alternative proposals?

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Hellsatano Academy Inferno E-R-A 476	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:40:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes its better trade EVE-style find char press X select Trade trade menu will be opened (assets one) for both players. add\remove option are you sure yes\no Protostomper Twich Youtube
PR0T0TYPE-PH0ENIX PR0JECT-MK-1 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.10 03:47:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes i think the should be an option to ask for a sum of isk as well when trading to avoid ppl scamming for items it should work like this go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty set isk amount send are you sure yes then the person get the trade in a mail like form stating "mr.merc wants to trade 100 balacs ck.0's for 9000 isk. do you accept?" are you sure yes this way ppl can set the amount to zero if they wish and the person your trading to doesn't need to be online

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17000	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:22:00 - [33] - Quote This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

deezy dabest 2158	Posted - 2015.02.10 04:31:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Thats fine just DO NOT use contacts. I am sounding like a broken record right now but I can not express enough how bad it will be for users trying to use the contacts list. This also has the potential to cause more system issues when people are constantly opening their list. If you dont believe me put 100 people on your contacts, open it, and then go into a match a few times. It can and will bog down your PS3. Off of just a few times through you will see performance reduction much like what happens with too many chat channels. The PS3 simply does not have the ram to handle all of these things.
Adipem Nothi nos nothi 6563	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:07:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Agreed 100%. Simple trading should be simple. Reputable middle men will come forward to satisfy demand. In the mean time, if you don't trust a merc, then don't trade with that merc. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 668	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:55:00 - [36] - Quote i would ask that you prior'tize player trading, we have been waiting so long and even if you don't see it as a #1 priority, we do. that being said the forums would be the best place to make a trade public, it won't stop scamming however if you get ripped off you can call the said merc out, however there will still be 100's of tickets flying to archduke (poor archduke) so i would suggest making a disclaimer on both the forums and in-game to only trade with those that you can trust. me myself, i was hoping for a confirmation window on both players end (merc A sends "I offer you (x)y", merc B sends "i offer (x)y for your (x)y", then confirmation window appears on both players screen listing the details of the trade and both hit x to initiate the trade.) and what is your stance on posting one's inventory on the forums? (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs _/ \
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 463	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:01:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Make it so I can move my alts gear to my main wo a middleman. Proud owner of 4 proto commandos and 3 proto sentinels. All except amarr sent, its a beginner heavy tbh.:p
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 865	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:29:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. You mention CEOs collecting assets from corp members for PC. Why can't we donate assets to the corp assets? I find it odd that under the assets tab it mentions corp assets but yet we don't have any. What were the corp assets supposed to be and when can we use the corp assets feature?
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2856	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:37:00 - [39] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: i would ask that you prior'tize player trading, we have been waiting so long and even if you don't see it as a #1 priority, we do. I'd much rather have vehicles and FW in a more solid place, thanks. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Pseudogenesis nos nothi 1684	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:41:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. Now I just need to figure out how to market myself as trustworthy I'm honorable I swear Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.

Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 661	Posted - 2015.02.10 08:23:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4553	Posted - 2015.02.10 09:55:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. If you want middlemen to be thing the more data hooks players can have to track this kind of activity the better. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 228	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:03:00 - [43] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. There will be a River of Song's. Choo Choo
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 628	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:26:00 - [44] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace".
PR0T0TYPE-PH0ENIX PR0JECT-MK-1 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:27:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. no i don't want a middle man thats nonsence i want to trade MY STUFF for YOUR STUFF and so what if it takes back end work thats what you guys get paid to do BY US. i'd rather you do it right and have to wait for trading then have it half arsed and a weak/broken system it's important that it be a direct trade between two mercs or you're going to have thousands of ppl cry on the forums about getting scammed and ask for you to reverse the trade. we need some sort of way to trade between alts and there need to be a way to confirm the trade is in order before accepting anything less will be a failure and just lead to issues that you will have to go back and fix eg. warbarges the idea was half cooked and now you need to find ways to fix them sames gonna happen with trading it takes less work to do it right the first time even if its a more indepth job.
Gabriel Ceja Ready to Play 85	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:59:00 - [46] - Quote The simple trading sounds cool but how soon can this be implemented because I want to trade some officer gear for the keys to some quafe HAVs "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
DJINN Jecture BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 256	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:09:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes buyer will pay: X items + Z isk seller will receive: Y items + Z isk fixed, its called a contract *Promoting Teamwork, Join a Squad Today!*
Psycho Mascara Banished Mercenaries 36	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:06:00 - [48] - Quote If this ideal of what CCP is doing with Simple Trading, can we or are we able to get AUR from this? cause some of the items are AUR uses so do we get ISKs and/or AUR? when Simple Trading comes out.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 647	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:14:00 - [49] - Quote One little thing is needed: - FILTERS - Even within assets choosing eg. light weapon and sort it to find one... is pain Just simply 'ring', used in Dust, with levels/meta filter can do miracles there. Not much time left...
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 235	Posted - 2015.02.10 22:47:00 - [50] - Quote please not the contacts list "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8647	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:25:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Inevitable question that follows: Any consideration toward Corporate Asset Banks in a separate UI..? I mean, don't get me wrong, sending it to the CEO is totally fine except for the fact that the CEO also has his own assets. Will likely just result in (for example) 'ChimeraCore BankAlt' characters being made. Which, I mean... I guess that's emergent gameplay but... Kinda roughshod. EDIT: Another thing is that Corporate Asset Banks could have separate Corp Roles that players could access... MEANING MORE ESPIONAGE as players can betray their corps by stealing all the assets We need this. Soooo much. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17060	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:38:00 - [52] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace". That's the plan "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 867	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:50:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace". That's the plan Ugh... Rattati. Log onto eve online, go to jita, and then watch the local chat. You know what that is? It's called spam. And if the chat channels really do cause lag, don't you think something like that will just make it worse?
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 671	Posted - 2015.02.11 03:02:00 - [54] - Quote forums re read the post deathwind (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs _/ \
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 220	Posted - 2015.02.11 04:10:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Simple Trading as I define it is go to item in assets press X send item to Contact (not player) select qty send are you sure yes This process is good, but it would also be cool, in addition to your idea Rattati, just clicking on a name within a chat channel or end of match screen and selecting "trade items" or "give items" where it takes you to your assets screen and you select and item and that item's quantity to give to the selected player. then giving you a pop up "are you sure" with yes and no answers. and that is the end of that alternate item trading process. PS: It would be important to have a player name shown in the 'confirmation of trade' screen. This will help players understand if they accidentally clicked the wrong name. Example in the confirmation window it asks you "Are you sure". I would add to this message by making the message say "Are you sure 'player name' should receive these items?"
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 222	Posted - 2015.02.11 04:30:00 - [56] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Agreed 100%. Simple trading should be simple. Reputable middle men will come forward to satisfy demand. In the mean time, if you don't trust a merc, then don't trade with that merc. As a middleman, I'd try to simplify pricing by coming up with a straight-forward convention for pricing. My first thoughts on the subject: I'd probably operate in lots that would make price calculations easy, i.e. stacks of 100. I'd try to buy up a reasonable inventory based on an easy to calculate discount from the normal NPC vendor prices. If the best price players can get for their gear, with Jara and a moderate loyalty rank is about 40% of the NPC vendor prices, I'd probably aim to buy gear from players at 60% and sell it at 80% of NPC vendor value. So if a proto weapon usually costs 47,220 isk, a stack of 100 would be 4,722,000 from the NPC vendor. So I'd offer to buy stacks for 60%, or 2,833,200 isk, and try to sell them for 3,777,600 isk. If players wouldn't usually be able to sell that gear for more than about 40%, they'd get an extra 944,000 isk. I'd make about that much, and buyers would get a discount of about that much, compared to buying from the NPC vendors. I'd try to adjust those percentages (my paying 60% and selling for 80% of NPC price) pretty quickly at first, based on the flow of inventory. Raising the percentages for things I have difficulty keeping in stock, lowering them for items I wind up overstocking. Thoughts? Questions? Alternative proposals? The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 465	Posted - 2015.02.11 07:27:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Fair enough. So then i will have to think of ways to advertise my gear in forums and chat. The amount of"for sale/wanted" threads will be worthy of song. They should create a new sub-forum next to "Code Bazaar" under "Dust 514 Marketplace". That's the plan There should be 2 options, trade and give. So I can easily give my alts gear to my main wo a middleman. This way there will be less scamming. Proud owner of 4 proto commandos and 3 proto sentinels. All except amarr sent, its a beginner heavy tbh.:p
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2015.02.11 17:51:00 - [58] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This will create a market for middlemen, friends trading stuff they don't want and the ability to send to CEO, who distributes based on need for PC. Better ways to trade are obviously known. They either depend on both being on the server for handshake, send item claim in email, which requires major backend work, or auction houses which is a huge undertaking. This simple method allows trading to happen, at all and I would rather spend a part of our resources on other features. Agreed 100%. Simple trading should be simple. Reputable middle men will come forward to satisfy demand. In the mean time, if you don't trust a merc, then don't trade with that merc. As a middleman, I'd try to simplify pricing by coming up with a straight-forward convention. My first thoughts on the subject: I'd probably operate in lots that would make price calculations easy, i.e. stacks of 100. I'd try to buy up a reasonable inventory based on a discount from the normal NPC vendor prices. If the best price players can get for their gear, with Jara and a moderate loyalty rank is about 40% of the NPC vendor prices, I'd probably aim to buy gear from players at 60% and sell it at 80% of NPC vendor value. So if a proto weapon usually costs 47,220 isk, a stack of 100 would be 4,722,000 from the NPC vendor. So I'd offer to buy stacks for 60%, or 2,833,200 isk, and try to sell them for 3,777,600 isk. If players wouldn't usually be able to sell that gear for more than about 40%, they'd get an extra 944,000 isk. I'd make about that much, and buyers would get a discount of about that much, compared to buying from the NPC vendors. I'd try to adjust those percentages (my paying 60% and selling for 80% of NPC price) pretty quickly at first, based on the flow of inventory. Raising the percentages for things I have difficulty keeping in stock, lowering them for items I wind up overstocking. Thoughts? Questions? Alternative proposals? A real finance and sales person! I think there would be a split in the market. One market would pertain to officer weapons and salvage only items separate from your typical list items like you are proposing. Your services would come with a # day lag. Feel free to be a merchant but my suggestion would be to have a corp perform the trading you are discussing. Then many hands make the exchanges easier. For officer weapons there are very few stacks of 100. So these will be a buy 2 here and 10 there kind of thing. Considering that people need a reputation, we all better be aware that some people will be scammed. Lets put together some rules to help out players who aren't aware of how this works out. 1. Don't send someone you don't trust isk for an item you haven't seen. If you do that then let me tell you about some Saudi Gold I can get for $100 you just need to mail to a PO Box. I would recommend half up front and half upon receipt. 2. Get some of the isk first! This is the first rule of the oldest profession. 3. If you get ripped off, post it on the forums and be aware some people will be making alts to rip people off. We should start a page of known offenders. 4. GYN sounds like a salesman. We should establish that well known Corps backing a player proposing a sale should be a must. That way the bigger corps can boot the players who are alts and stealing. Like requiring a license to sell stock. 5 Don't cry wolf on someone for their reputation unless you know for a fact you got ripped off. 6. CCP - You need to be ready to ban some accounts if people ripping off other people gets out of hand. Or just take their isk and distribute it. 7. CCP - We also need to be able to see all the alts of any one PSN account. Why not make a page like the corp tracking page to give us that information. I may be ignorant to this already existing. Please add as needed. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4018	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:33:00 - [59] - Quote SImple trading in my mind is barter. Just like in borderlands. 4 slots for each player, they fill them or not, when both are satisfied they push accept trade. Some have luck, some have money, trading is not a crime. Minmatar omni-merc
m621 zma 286	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:21:00 - [60] - Quote What will you be doing about the free boosters given during NPE tutorial? If these can be traded, people will just farm alts for these and be constantly triple boosted whilst trading surplus. I'm up for just a 'give to' dialogue, troll some randoms by dropping a dragonfly off on them.



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