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Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7537	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:54:00 - [1] - Quote I don't mind being killed by scramblers, I'm Matari after all, but 699 damage at eight meters, what's that bs? Why the hell is a long range weapon so good at CQC? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4505	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:57:00 - [2] - Quote Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7539	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:10:00 - [3] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The hell if I know, I've not used her. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 745	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:29:00 - [4] - Quote RR - long range rifle with strong kick. Somebody from dev team doesn't know how long range gun should act while shooting. CR - Medium range rifle. Yet it's king of CQC. ugly Rifle - gall tech. Desinged for CQC yet it's defeated by CR. ScR - god rifle. Every minmatar who will look at its gold will get blind. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3324	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:55:00 - [5] - Quote Is a Scrabler rifle some form of Offensive weapon to play Scrabble with? The ROF in Which you place your letters is to OP!!!
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7539	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:56:00 - [6] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Is a Scrabler rifle some form of Offensive weapon to play Scrabble with? The ROF in Which you place your letters is to OP!!! You're the first one to catch it, congrats. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1353	Posted - 2015.01.30 19:07:00 - [7] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine..................................
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5862	Posted - 2015.01.30 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote Because it sucks at its intended range due to the kick it has. If it had less ads kick and slightly more hipfire kick, then we'd see either less of them in entirety, or them being used in their intended ranges. Possibly both.
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1170	Posted - 2015.01.30 19:44:00 - [9] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. The TAR is better.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 748	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:08:00 - [10] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. The TAR is better.. Better in what? Killing at newb level i think. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money

GrimzOvaHourz The Forgotten Spirits 26	Posted - 2015.01.30 20:31:00 - [11] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. Because he bases everything off dumb data
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2588	Posted - 2015.01.30 21:10:00 - [12] - Quote Does the light burn you small man? "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7544	Posted - 2015.01.30 21:22:00 - [13] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Does the light burn you small man? Does your scout look like a giant man sausage? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1626	Posted - 2015.01.30 22:04:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I don't mind being killed by scramblers, I'm Matari after all, but 699 damage at eight meters, what's that bs? Why the hell is a long range weapon so good at CQC? Because the ScR isn't good at long range!!! The scope/sight is terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Protocake JR Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 1664	Posted - 2015.01.30 22:12:00 - [15] - Quote Here comes the Scrambler Rifle Attack Force.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1366	Posted - 2015.01.30 22:17:00 - [16] - Quote Scrabler Rifle Concept art
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6231	Posted - 2015.01.30 22:26:00 - [17] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. Rattati says [paraphrased] that it outperforms the other rifles efficiency-wise (i.e. Kills/Spawn), but it is not yet widely used enough to warrant a nerf. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1366	Posted - 2015.01.30 22:28:00 - [18] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. Rattati says [paraphrased] that it outperforms the other rifles efficiency-wise (i.e. Kills/Spawn), but it is not yet widely used enough to warrant a nerf. I think there is something in there along the lines that the heat build up warrants the ROF and Damage which is laughable... Rail Rifle has a spool up time but yet it got hit hard and is still walking around with a limp......
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 333	Posted - 2015.01.30 23:22:00 - [19] - Quote Fact: if scrambler rifle was op, everyone would use it. u can't tell me any different. Its undeniable proof. When things are op the entire playerbase moves to it en masse. Tell me im wrong. You could say its the combo with the amarr assault but it doesnt seem like anyone had a problem skilling into min assault. "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 603	Posted - 2015.01.30 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote Same could be said of the basic combat rifle....

Tectonic Fusion 2320	Posted - 2015.01.30 23:56:00 - [21] - Quote The Scrambler Rifle is good. The combat rifle is better (overall). The Assault Rifle is more reliable. The Rail Rifle is potato. (GIF)
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries 729	Posted - 2015.01.31 00:13:00 - [22] - Quote If you're getting reliably hit by a ScR at that range while strafing, then you have met a very good player, good luck next time.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1806	Posted - 2015.01.31 00:16:00 - [23] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Is a Scrabler rifle some form of Offensive weapon to play Scrabble with? The ROF in Which you place your letters is to OP!!! Too^ Crush them
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1806	Posted - 2015.01.31 00:18:00 - [24] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: The Scrambler Rifle is good. The combat rifle is better (overall). The Assault Rifle is more reliable. The Rail Rifle is potato. The kalakiota is a bad ass. I am almost sorry I never specced FotM Crush them
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15336	Posted - 2015.01.31 00:37:00 - [25] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. Actually, he said that it's the most efficient rifle and he'll only nerf it if more people start to use it. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1368	Posted - 2015.01.31 00:59:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. Actually, he said that it's the most efficient rifle and he'll only nerf it if more people start to use it. So basically he wants to wait till people pay for respecs to spec into the flavor of the month in order to nerf it and hope they buy another respec ?
killertojo42 KnightKiller's inc. 138	Posted - 2015.01.31 01:04:00 - [27] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. The TAR is better.. Does not have the range though Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
killertojo42 KnightKiller's inc. 138	Posted - 2015.01.31 01:09:00 - [28] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: Fact: if scrambler rifle was op, everyone would use it. u can't tell me any different. Its undeniable proof. When things are op the entire playerbase moves to it en masse. Tell me im wrong. You could say its the combo with the amarr assault but it doesnt seem like anyone had a problem skilling into min assault. Wrong, it's SP and assault suit skill buffs that decrease its use Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 376	Posted - 2015.01.31 01:32:00 - [29] - Quote it amazes me how awesome people think the SCR is so OP yet so few people use it. look at this link http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php it is the most least used rifle. that fact says 1000 words . no SCR features in the top 10 most used light weapons yet the AR has 4 the CR 3 and the RR 2 in the list.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 600	Posted - 2015.01.31 01:52:00 - [30] - Quote As a proto amarr and scrambler rifle proto. I can fire 15+ without over heating. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.

Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 643	Posted - 2015.01.31 02:03:00 - [31] - Quote The scr is a beast at any range. Pew pew pew + 50
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 336	Posted - 2015.01.31 03:45:00 - [32] - Quote killertojo42 wrote: JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: Fact: if scrambler rifle was op, everyone would use it. u can't tell me any different. Its undeniable proof. When things are op the entire playerbase moves to it en masse. Tell me im wrong. You could say its the combo with the amarr assault but it doesnt seem like anyone had a problem skilling into min assault. Wrong, it's SP and assault suit skill buffs that decrease its use Oh silly me i forgot theres no way to get sp anymore. "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 480	Posted - 2015.01.31 03:47:00 - [33] - Quote killertojo42 wrote: P14GU3 wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. The TAR is better.. Does not have the range though tar do have a better scope
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7547	Posted - 2015.01.31 03:56:00 - [34] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: If you're getting reliably hit by a ScR at that range while strafing, then you have met a very good player, good luck next time. You're kidding right? I've used it in CQC, you do the same thing as the ion pistols:spam r1 till red is dead, no skill requirements for that. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7547	Posted - 2015.01.31 04:02:00 - [35] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: it amazes me how awesome people think the SCR is so OP yet so few people use it. look at this link http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php it is the most least used rifle. that fact says 1000 words . no SCR features in the top 10 most used light weapons yet the AR has 4 the CR 3 and the RR 2 in the list. beyond that it has only 2 variants of which one rarely gets used ( assault scram) That's ignorant, it's the sp sink that decreases it's use, you need the Amarr assault to make it truly safe to use (15/16 shots if I remember) and 3million sp is a heavy payout for those that don't already have it, or don't play Amarr. That's like saying to an Amarr commando: skill into the Minmatar scout and get nova knives, even though you don't use either! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 336	Posted - 2015.01.31 04:23:00 - [36] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: taxi bastard wrote: it amazes me how awesome people think the SCR is so OP yet so few people use it. look at this link http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php it is the most least used rifle. that fact says 1000 words . no SCR features in the top 10 most used light weapons yet the AR has 4 the CR 3 and the RR 2 in the list. beyond that it has only 2 variants of which one rarely gets used ( assault scram) That's ignorant, it's the sp sink that decreases it's use, you need the Amarr assault to make it truly safe to use (15/16 shots if I remember) and 3million sp is a heavy payout for those that don't already have it, or don't play Amarr. That's like saying to an Amarr commando: skill into the Minmatar scout and get nova knives, even though you don't use either! The scrambler and am assault haven't changed in a while. Any tryhard has had plenty of time to skill into it. Like i said before, the sp hasn't stopped a ton of people from skilling min assault to proto. Im not saying its op but what i am saying is its not a big deal to skill a suit to 3 and a weapon to proto. I know youve been around for quite a while. You know as well as i do that when anything is op the playerbase flocks to it. Rattati is also aware of this "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2015.01.31 06:28:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. Actually, he said that it's the most efficient rifle and he'll only nerf it if more people start to use it. You enjoy being wrong? lol he sad scramblers only accounted for less then 7% ( something like that feel free to search threads for exact) of the light weapon kills. Even if everyone and their mother started using it he still wouldn't touch it unless the kills for it went up, so no not "when more people use " Director / Slayer / Emperor
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15341	Posted - 2015.01.31 06:54:00 - [38] - Quote All Gucci wrote: You enjoy being wrong? lol he sad scramblers only accounted for less then 7% ( something like that feel free to search threads for exact) of the light weapon kills. Even if everyone and their mother started using it he still wouldn't touch it unless the kills for it went up, so no not "when more people use " The problem with me taking pride in being wrong is that when I'm arguing with idiots like you, I'm never wrong. Source: In defense of the scrambler rifle CCP Rattati wrote: Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact. However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles. If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 377	Posted - 2015.01.31 07:00:00 - [39] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: taxi bastard wrote: it amazes me how awesome people think the SCR is so OP yet so few people use it. look at this link http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php it is the most least used rifle. that fact says 1000 words . no SCR features in the top 10 most used light weapons yet the AR has 4 the CR 3 and the RR 2 in the list. beyond that it has only 2 variants of which one rarely gets used ( assault scram) That's ignorant, it's the sp sink that decreases it's use, you need the Amarr assault to make it truly safe to use (15/16 shots if I remember) and 3million sp is a heavy payout for those that don't already have it, or don't play Amarr. That's like saying to an Amarr commando: skill into the Minmatar scout and get nova knives, even though you don't use either! i think your being over the top to say the least. suit to lvl 3 and gun to level 4 and its a very playable combo. a scout takes far more SP's to be viable as its non viable until you have the scout suit skill to 4, then you need your EWAR and stam/speed skils to a reasonable level . how many scouts do you see? as for how great the Ammar assault is......it is the worst assault suit out there. if your going to use another gun and you have the ability your not going to use the ammar assault its too slow and has bad re gen.
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 221	Posted - 2015.01.31 09:40:00 - [40] - Quote ScR is the ONLY rifle that requires maxed skills in ScR and suit to be useful. You can do great with any rifles on any suits, except with the ScR, you need to have a maxed amAss. Then, if it was a proto ScR or even a maxed skill advanced, it's normal that it killed you fast. I mean.. every rifles kill you fast when they are maxed! Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.

Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7554	Posted - 2015.01.31 11:35:00 - [41] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: ScR is the ONLY rifle that requires maxed skills in ScR and suit to be useful. You can do great with any rifles on any suits, except with the ScR, you need to have a maxed amAss. Then, if it was a proto ScR or even a maxed skill advanced, it's normal that it killed you fast. I mean.. every rifles kill you fast when they are maxed! It was advanced, no idea what his skills are, but the fact that this long range weapon is murderous at close range is simply a fail on balance. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5883	Posted - 2015.01.31 12:03:00 - [42] - Quote killertojo42 wrote: P14GU3 wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. The TAR is better.. Does not have the range though Doesn't need it. Who actually uses the ScR at its intended range, anyways? Everyone knows it's a CQC weapon.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 202	Posted - 2015.01.31 12:13:00 - [43] - Quote The CR is good so long as they are not ferroscale stacked and shield stacked scouts or min assaults at 5m ranges, they strafe to fast. Thats where the ACR is better. The SCR is also a FPShooter. despite other many other FPS games not having less damage at certain close ranges, they use bad recoil and accuracy instead. That works moderately well. The SCR has a low zoom red dot sight. It was clearly designed to have some potential in CQC. Its inaccuracy makes it deadly at 10m to 18m engagements. Its hard to out strafe. if you gets too close you may break there aim if your fast enough. Use a caldari assault with a shotgun from behind with dampeners, or use scouts. Or use 3 proto dampeners on a std amarr sentinel with a ACR or HMG. You maybe slow, but I have no problem most of the time. You just have to surprise 7 other enemies first on your way to kill the proto SCR user. That can be hard. If you flank right you might only encounter 2 enemies before you reach your target.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 202	Posted - 2015.01.31 12:20:00 - [44] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: ScR is the ONLY rifle that requires maxed skills in ScR and suit to be useful. You can do great with any rifles on any suits, except with the ScR, you need to have a maxed amAss. Then, if it was a proto ScR or even a maxed skill advanced, it's normal that it killed you fast. I mean.. every rifles kill you fast when they are maxed! It was advanced, no idea what his skills are, but the fact that this long range weapon is murderous at close range is simply a fail on balance. THE SCR has a lower damage per overheat compared to short range rifles, its also less user friendly, you cant kill as many enemies before you need a break. If you use assaults and not heavies, you should focus on regen and long range battles, or ewar stealth and flank and ambush like a master. you can win against SCRs with a caldari sentinel that regen tanks while you use light weapons, you keep poping in and out every 7 seconds. keep in mind that the SCR cost more PG and CPU compared to other weapons so it must have something extra so it can justify that cost.
Alena Ventrallis Intara Direct Action Caldari State 2509	Posted - 2015.01.31 13:22:00 - [45] - Quote Because no other rifle has to worry about heat. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Academy Inferno E-R-A 255	Posted - 2015.01.31 13:48:00 - [46] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Greasepalms wrote: If you're getting reliably hit by a ScR at that range while strafing, then you have met a very good player, good luck next time. You're kidding right? I've used it in CQC, you do the same thing as the ion pistols:spam r1 till red is dead, no skill requirements for that. Except aim. Like every other rifle. ..
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 147	Posted - 2015.01.31 13:49:00 - [47] - Quote ScR wont be rebalanced until the amarr assault is also balanced..... see here... Director / Slayer / Emperor


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