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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.01.31 02:03:00 -
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The scr is a beast at any range. Pew pew pew + 50 |
JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
336
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:45:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:Fact: if scrambler rifle was op, everyone would use it.
u can't tell me any different. Its undeniable proof. When things are op the entire playerbase moves to it en masse. Tell me im wrong. You could say its the combo with the amarr assault but it doesnt seem like anyone had a problem skilling into min assault.
Wrong, it's SP and assault suit skill buffs that decrease its use
Oh silly me i forgot theres no way to get sp anymore.
"In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane"
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
480
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:47:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:bolsh lee wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine..................................  The TAR is better.. Does not have the range though
tar do have a better scope |
Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7547
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:56:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote: If you're getting reliably hit by a ScR at that range while strafing, then you have met a very good player, good luck next time.
You're kidding right? I've used it in CQC, you do the same thing as the ion pistols:spam r1 till red is dead, no skill requirements for that.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7547
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Posted - 2015.01.31 04:02:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:it amazes me how awesome people think the SCR is so OP yet so few people use it. look at this link http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.phpit is the most least used rifle. that fact says 1000 words . no SCR features in the top 10 most used light weapons yet the AR has 4 the CR 3 and the RR 2 in the list. beyond that it has only 2 variants of which one rarely gets used ( assault scram)
That's ignorant, it's the sp sink that decreases it's use, you need the Amarr assault to make it truly safe to use (15/16 shots if I remember) and 3million sp is a heavy payout for those that don't already have it, or don't play Amarr.
That's like saying to an Amarr commando: skill into the Minmatar scout and get nova knives, even though you don't use either!
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
336
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Posted - 2015.01.31 04:23:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:taxi bastard wrote:it amazes me how awesome people think the SCR is so OP yet so few people use it. look at this link http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.phpit is the most least used rifle. that fact says 1000 words . no SCR features in the top 10 most used light weapons yet the AR has 4 the CR 3 and the RR 2 in the list. beyond that it has only 2 variants of which one rarely gets used ( assault scram) That's ignorant, it's the sp sink that decreases it's use, you need the Amarr assault to make it truly safe to use (15/16 shots if I remember) and 3million sp is a heavy payout for those that don't already have it, or don't play Amarr. That's like saying to an Amarr commando: skill into the Minmatar scout and get nova knives, even though you don't use either!
The scrambler and am assault haven't changed in a while. Any tryhard has had plenty of time to skill into it. Like i said before, the sp hasn't stopped a ton of people from skilling min assault to proto. Im not saying its op but what i am saying is its not a big deal to skill a suit to 3 and a weapon to proto.
I know youve been around for quite a while. You know as well as i do that when anything is op the playerbase flocks to it. Rattati is also aware of this
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
142
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Posted - 2015.01.31 06:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:bolsh lee wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. Actually, he said that it's the most efficient rifle and he'll only nerf it if more people start to use it.
You enjoy being wrong? lol he sad scramblers only accounted for less then 7% ( something like that feel free to search threads for exact) of the light weapon kills. Even if everyone and their mother started using it he still wouldn't touch it unless the kills for it went up, so no not "when more people use " 
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.31 06:54:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:You enjoy being wrong? lol he sad scramblers only accounted for less then 7% ( something like that feel free to search threads for exact) of the light weapon kills. Even if everyone and their mother started using it he still wouldn't touch it unless the kills for it went up, so no not "when more people use "
The problem with me taking pride in being wrong is that when I'm arguing with idiots like you, I'm never wrong. 
Source: In defense of the scrambler rifle
CCP Rattati wrote:Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.
However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.
If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.
The 1st Matari Commando
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2015.01.31 07:00:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:taxi bastard wrote:it amazes me how awesome people think the SCR is so OP yet so few people use it. look at this link http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.phpit is the most least used rifle. that fact says 1000 words . no SCR features in the top 10 most used light weapons yet the AR has 4 the CR 3 and the RR 2 in the list. beyond that it has only 2 variants of which one rarely gets used ( assault scram) That's ignorant, it's the sp sink that decreases it's use, you need the Amarr assault to make it truly safe to use (15/16 shots if I remember) and 3million sp is a heavy payout for those that don't already have it, or don't play Amarr. That's like saying to an Amarr commando: skill into the Minmatar scout and get nova knives, even though you don't use either!
i think your being over the top to say the least. suit to lvl 3 and gun to level 4 and its a very playable combo.
a scout takes far more SP's to be viable as its non viable until you have the scout suit skill to 4, then you need your EWAR and stam/speed skils to a reasonable level . how many scouts do you see?
as for how great the Ammar assault is......it is the worst assault suit out there. if your going to use another gun and you have the ability your not going to use the ammar assault its too slow and has bad re gen.
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Sequal's Back
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
221
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Posted - 2015.01.31 09:40:00 -
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ScR is the ONLY rifle that requires maxed skills in ScR and suit to be useful. You can do great with any rifles on any suits, except with the ScR, you need to have a maxed amAss.
Then, if it was a proto ScR or even a maxed skill advanced, it's normal that it killed you fast. I mean.. every rifles kill you fast when they are maxed!
Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name.
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Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7554
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Posted - 2015.01.31 11:35:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:ScR is the ONLY rifle that requires maxed skills in ScR and suit to be useful. You can do great with any rifles on any suits, except with the ScR, you need to have a maxed amAss.
Then, if it was a proto ScR or even a maxed skill advanced, it's normal that it killed you fast. I mean.. every rifles kill you fast when they are maxed!
It was advanced, no idea what his skills are, but the fact that this long range weapon is murderous at close range is simply a fail on balance.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.01.31 12:03:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:bolsh lee wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Why does the rr have so much kick when it's meant to be good at long range? And I'm talking ads.. The SCR needs nerfed bad but Rattati says it's fine.................................. The TAR is better.. Does not have the range though
Doesn't need it. Who actually uses the ScR at its intended range, anyways? Everyone knows it's a CQC weapon. |
WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
202
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Posted - 2015.01.31 12:13:00 -
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The CR is good so long as they are not ferroscale stacked and shield stacked scouts or min assaults at 5m ranges, they strafe to fast. Thats where the ACR is better. The SCR is also a FPShooter. despite other many other FPS games not having less damage at certain close ranges, they use bad recoil and accuracy instead.
That works moderately well.
The SCR has a low zoom red dot sight. It was clearly designed to have some potential in CQC. Its inaccuracy makes it deadly at 10m to 18m engagements. Its hard to out strafe. if you gets too close you may break there aim if your fast enough. Use a caldari assault with a shotgun from behind with dampeners, or use scouts.
Or use 3 proto dampeners on a std amarr sentinel with a ACR or HMG. You maybe slow, but I have no problem most of the time. You just have to surprise 7 other enemies first on your way to kill the proto SCR user. That can be hard. If you flank right you might only encounter 2 enemies before you reach your target.
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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
202
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Posted - 2015.01.31 12:20:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:ScR is the ONLY rifle that requires maxed skills in ScR and suit to be useful. You can do great with any rifles on any suits, except with the ScR, you need to have a maxed amAss.
Then, if it was a proto ScR or even a maxed skill advanced, it's normal that it killed you fast. I mean.. every rifles kill you fast when they are maxed! It was advanced, no idea what his skills are, but the fact that this long range weapon is murderous at close range is simply a fail on balance.
THE SCR has a lower damage per overheat compared to short range rifles, its also less user friendly, you cant kill as many enemies before you need a break. If you use assaults and not heavies, you should focus on regen and long range battles, or ewar stealth and flank and ambush like a master. you can win against SCRs with a caldari sentinel that regen tanks while you use light weapons, you keep poping in and out every 7 seconds.
keep in mind that the SCR cost more PG and CPU compared to other weapons so it must have something extra so it can justify that cost. |
Alena Ventrallis
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
2509
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Posted - 2015.01.31 13:22:00 -
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Because no other rifle has to worry about heat.
Listen to my muscle memory
Contemplate what I've been clinging to
Forty-six and two ahead of me
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA
Academy Inferno
E-R-A
255
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Posted - 2015.01.31 13:48:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Greasepalms wrote: If you're getting reliably hit by a ScR at that range while strafing, then you have met a very good player, good luck next time. You're kidding right? I've used it in CQC, you do the same thing as the ion pistols:spam r1 till red is dead, no skill requirements for that.
Except aim. Like every other rifle. .. |
All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
147
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Posted - 2015.01.31 13:49:00 -
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ScR wont be rebalanced until the amarr assault is also balanced..... see here...
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