DUST Search - ScR is unfair towards shield

taxi bastard wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

Imp Smash wrote:

taxi bastard wrote:

Zindorak wrote:

What the... man r u high?
SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon

remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller)

This.

Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O

If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover?

I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields.

i take your point about the charged get someone by suprise and its great if you hit.....big drawback if you miss. but realistically 95% of people will not achieve 7 shots per second. average person is probably about 4 on a controller and online it recons its about 5 on the mouse ( but thats with nothing to concentrate on)

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Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1618	Posted - 2015.01.28 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote It has 139% efficiency toward shield at proficiency 5 and does 99 damage per shot toward shield with proficiency alone not to mention it has over 1000 DPS toward shield and you can't tank shield as high as Armor suits can tank Armor. I bet if armor had a exact ScR like copy but that did 20% extra to armor, they would QQ like punks too. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2446	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:01:00 - [2] - Quote Do want souped up ACR. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1618	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:04:00 - [3] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Do want souped up ACR. ACR is no where near as powerful toward armor as a ScR is toward shield Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1454	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:04:00 - [4] - Quote MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR. CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING New term: Quitter-vet. Someone who hasn't played for a substantial time but thinks they can solve its problems.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1618	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:07:00 - [5] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR. CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING OH SH*TTTT!!! AT LEAST MD DOESN'T DO 1000 DPS TOWARD ARMOR LIKE SCR DOES TOWARD ARMOR. Comparing ScR to a MD is like comparing a horse to a lizard. That is how bad of a comparison it is. It is like comparing Pb (Lead) to Oxygen... It's like, showing how stupid u are. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1454	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:10:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR. CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING OH SH*TTTT!!! AT LEAST MD DOESN'T DO 1000 DPS TOWARD ARMOR LIKE SCR DOES TOWARD ARMOR. Comparing ScR to a MD is like comparing a horse to a lizard. That is how bad of a comparison it is. It is like comparing Pb (Lead) to Oxygen... It's like, showing how stupid u are. Lol dude. Just lol. learn to MD, be less bad. Also didnt the CR get its profile changed to -20/+20 or it still floating the -15/+15? Dukey, take your Prozac and carry on. New term: Quitter-vet. Someone who hasn't played for a substantial time but thinks they can solve its problems.
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2446	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:20:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Do want souped up ACR. ACR is no where near as powerful toward armor as a ScR is toward shield Highlighted key words in my post. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7479	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:22:00 - [8] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR. CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING OH SH*TTTT!!! AT LEAST MD DOESN'T DO 1000 DPS TOWARD ARMOR LIKE SCR DOES TOWARD ARMOR. Comparing ScR to a MD is like comparing a horse to a lizard. That is how bad of a comparison it is. It is like comparing Pb (Lead) to Oxygen... It's like, showing how stupid u are. Lol dude. Just lol. learn to MD, be less bad. Also didnt the CR get its profile changed to -20/+20 or it still floating the -15/+15? Dukey, take your Prozac and carry on. It got evened out. It was something like -10/+15 or something like that. I think it is either -10/+10 or -15/+15 now. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3895	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:44:00 - [9] - Quote Must agree because in game numbers. SCR and HMG need to be looked at. Don't start with no SCR in PC, everybody knows that automatic weapons are used just because bad framerate. Swaglords 1.0 [smiley face] Minmatar omni-merc
Zindorak Nyain Chan 1682	Posted - 2015.01.29 00:26:00 - [10] - Quote What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)

taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 368	Posted - 2015.01.29 01:52:00 - [11] - Quote Zindorak wrote: What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller)
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 590	Posted - 2015.01.29 02:17:00 - [12] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Zindorak wrote: What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2015.01.29 02:25:00 - [13] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Zindorak wrote: What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) You can do half the paper dps (~1000 dps) and still wipe out the shields of any fully shield tanked minmitar assault in well under a second. Just face it, scrambler rifle's current mechanics completely invalidate any shield only tanking suit. Its overpowered against shields and needs to be fixed somehow.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1619	Posted - 2015.01.29 02:30:00 - [14] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Zindorak wrote: What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover? I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8118	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:04:00 - [15] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: It has 139% efficiency toward shield at proficiency 5 and does 99 damage per shot toward shield with proficiency alone not to mention it has over 1000 DPS toward shield and you can't tank shield as high as Armor suits can tank Armor. I bet if armor had a exact ScR like copy but that did 20% extra to armor, they would QQ like punks too. I direct your attention to the bane of all armor users: The HMG. There is a part of me that genuinely hopes Dust 514 fails at times.
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 368	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:19:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Imp Smash wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Zindorak wrote: What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover? I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields. i take your point about the charged get someone by suprise and its great if you hit.....big drawback if you miss. but realistically 95% of people will not achieve 7 shots per second. average person is probably about 4 on a controller and online it recons its about 5 on the mouse ( but thats with nothing to concentrate on)
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8119	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:24:00 - [17] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Imp Smash wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Zindorak wrote: What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover? I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields. i take your point about the charged get someone by suprise and its great if you hit.....big drawback if you miss. but realistically 95% of people will not achieve 7 shots per second. average person is probably about 4 on a controller and online it recons its about 5 on the mouse ( but thats with nothing to concentrate on) Got me curious, went and looked at an old video I recorded to see what I could achieve. 7.4 shots/sec. Not that I'm buying into the guys argument, but... Yanno. Totally possible x3 There is a part of me that genuinely hopes Dust 514 fails at times.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1619	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:30:00 - [18] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Imp Smash wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Zindorak wrote: What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover? I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields. i take your point about the charged get someone by suprise and its great if you hit.....big drawback if you miss. but realistically 95% of people will not achieve 7 shots per second. average person is probably about 4 on a controller and online it recons its about 5 on the mouse ( but thats with nothing to concentrate on) If I can get 450 RPM by tapping on my computers touch pad, i'm pretty sure others can get there too with a controller. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1619	Posted - 2015.01.29 03:32:00 - [19] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: It has 139% efficiency toward shield at proficiency 5 and does 99 damage per shot toward shield with proficiency alone not to mention it has over 1000 DPS toward shield and you can't tank shield as high as Armor suits can tank Armor. I bet if armor had a exact ScR like copy but that did 20% extra to armor, they would QQ like punks too. I direct your attention to the bane of all armor users: The HMG. The is the bane of everything. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 945	Posted - 2015.01.29 04:08:00 - [20] - Quote The ScR is a 1v1 king, if the second guy comes in you better make a run for it because you will be either close to overheat or out of ammo. So do expect to lose to these guys if it is just you, because the majority of people who run ScR already know how to use it properly and wreck with it. Have you used this weapon? No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Jesus!" yelled the blues "No, my name is Forever"

Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 221	Posted - 2015.01.29 04:41:00 - [21] - Quote Stop q.q ing and get gud. Commando CK.0 Proto Combat Rifle Commando MK.0 Proto Rail Rifle
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1351	Posted - 2015.01.29 05:22:00 - [22] - Quote Make it +10/-10. Just wait for the tears. It's not a problem with damage profiles. You're just getting rekt Dual tanking is for bad players. 21 day EVE trial.
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 368	Posted - 2015.01.29 07:10:00 - [23] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Make it +10/-10. Just wait for the tears. It's not a problem with damage profiles. You're just getting rekt why would it be tears? there are more armor tankers than shields - i see anything going towards a more balanced profile as a buff
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1935	Posted - 2015.01.29 08:12:00 - [24] - Quote The damage profile on the ScR and a few other weapons is too extreme once you apply proficiency. What if the proficiency skill gave a small reduction to the drawback. For example ScR proficiency would add armor damage. +1% to armor damage per level seems like it would be much better. That would leave the weapon at +20 / -15 instead of +35 / -20.
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6835	Posted - 2015.01.29 09:03:00 - [25] - Quote Amarr scrams are fun and easy to gank in minmatar suits. AV
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1989	Posted - 2015.01.29 09:19:00 - [26] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: ACR is no where near as powerful toward armor as a ScR is toward shield fun fact, SCR and ACR deal similar DPS to armor taxi bastard wrote: remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) I have tested how fast I can press a button plenty of times. over a short timeframe I can press it 10 times a second to cap out the RPM which is enougn since the weapon anyway overheats before my finger tires out. over an extended timeframe (20 seconds of continous pressing) I am still at 8.3 on average I am no superhuman and I can safely assume that the majority of the playerbase can do that too. also another fun fact, the CR does not have its paper RPM either regardless how fast you press the button
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 197	Posted - 2015.01.29 09:34:00 - [27] - Quote Shield tankers are currently incentivized to use rail rifles to out range SCRs and ASCRs so that they can have a chance. Additionally the shield tanker benefit more from using cover than armor tankers assuming they are using proto mods on both suits or the same tier, eg: both use std suits but with proto regeneration mods and minimal hp mods. Shield tankers seem to be incentivized to use dampeners more than armor tankers by the arrangement of low slot mods and high slot mods. Despite the caldari having less low slots. If you want a shield tanker to succeed (in CQC) against a SCR armor tanker, use a std medium caldari frame with 2 proto dampeners and hp shield mods in the high slots, while using a assault combat rifle, so you can flank your opponent while he is busy with other players. Or use a std shotgun. or an assault rifle. Or an assault rail rifle. But you must be extremely accurate with one long burst of bullets. Otherwise you may fail. Did you know that the std assault rail rifle has a higher damage per clip compared to the std assault rifle? lol. Or use a adv caldari medium "assault" suit with 2 proto dampener and 2 shield hp mods and 2 proto precision enhancers, with an ACR or shotgun etc. (getting a value of 20's in scan profile and precision with high hp is easier in an assault suit than a scout) You should make sure you are not discovered until you attack up close. This can be very challenging in proto stomps. You may get unlucky by being killed by scouts. DUST 514 is very chaotic and even if you do everything right some things can go wrong. But scouts are able to get better max ewar than assault suits but with less health and more speed and cloak. Both are very good at some stuff.
Mad Syringe Dead Man's Game RUST415 441	Posted - 2015.01.29 11:27:00 - [28] - Quote I like the ASCR, it's one of the few MD support weapons, that make sense on the minmando... ASCR to strip their shields, and MD for the finishiing touch... LOLs guaranteed
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6836	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:41:00 - [29] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: I like the ASCR, it's one of the few MD support weapons, that make sense on the minmando... ASCR to strip their shields, and MD for the finishiing touch... LOLs guaranteed Plasma cannon. Even more chuckleworthy. AV
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15303	Posted - 2015.01.29 14:15:00 - [30] - Quote What we need, is a Tactical Combat Rifle. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND



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