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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:58:00 -
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It has 139% efficiency toward shield at proficiency 5 and does 99 damage per shot toward shield with proficiency alone not to mention it has over 1000 DPS toward shield and you can't tank shield as high as Armor suits can tank Armor.
I bet if armor had a exact ScR like copy but that did 20% extra to armor, they would QQ like punks too.
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Alaika Arbosa
Minmatar Republic
2446
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:01:00 -
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Do want souped up ACR.
We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837
^^ROFLMAO
OMG I need to catch my breath now..
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1618
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:04:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Do want souped up ACR.
ACR is no where near as powerful toward armor as a ScR is toward shield
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
1454
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:04:00 -
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MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR.
CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING
New term: Quitter-vet. Someone who hasn't played for a substantial time but thinks they can solve its problems.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1618
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:07:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR.
CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING
OH SH*TTTT!!! AT LEAST MD DOESN'T DO 1000 DPS TOWARD ARMOR LIKE SCR DOES TOWARD ARMOR. Comparing ScR to a MD is like comparing a horse to a lizard. That is how bad of a comparison it is. It is like comparing Pb (Lead) to Oxygen... It's like, showing how stupid u are.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
1454
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR.
CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING OH SH*TTTT!!! AT LEAST MD DOESN'T DO 1000 DPS TOWARD ARMOR LIKE SCR DOES TOWARD ARMOR. Comparing ScR to a MD is like comparing a horse to a lizard. That is how bad of a comparison it is. It is like comparing Pb (Lead) to Oxygen... It's like, showing how stupid u are.
Lol dude. Just lol.
learn to MD, be less bad. Also didnt the CR get its profile changed to -20/+20 or it still floating the -15/+15?
Dukey, take your Prozac and carry on.
New term: Quitter-vet. Someone who hasn't played for a substantial time but thinks they can solve its problems.
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Alaika Arbosa
Minmatar Republic
2446
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:20:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Do want souped up ACR. ACR is no where near as powerful toward armor as a ScR is toward shield Highlighted key words in my post.
We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837
^^ROFLMAO
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
7479
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:22:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:MASS DRIVER DOES +20% TO ARMOR.
CAPS BECAUSE I AM YELLING OH SH*TTTT!!! AT LEAST MD DOESN'T DO 1000 DPS TOWARD ARMOR LIKE SCR DOES TOWARD ARMOR. Comparing ScR to a MD is like comparing a horse to a lizard. That is how bad of a comparison it is. It is like comparing Pb (Lead) to Oxygen... It's like, showing how stupid u are. Lol dude. Just lol. learn to MD, be less bad. Also didnt the CR get its profile changed to -20/+20 or it still floating the -15/+15? Dukey, take your Prozac and carry on. It got evened out.
It was something like -10/+15 or something like that. I think it is either -10/+10 or -15/+15 now.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3895
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:44:00 -
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Must agree because in game numbers. SCR and HMG need to be looked at.
Don't start with no SCR in PC, everybody knows that automatic weapons are used just because bad framerate.
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Minmatar omni-merc
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
1682
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:26:00 -
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What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:52:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon
remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller)
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
590
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:17:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Zindorak wrote:What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller)
This.
Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
362
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:25:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Zindorak wrote:What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller)
You can do half the paper dps (~1000 dps) and still wipe out the shields of any fully shield tanked minmitar assault in well under a second.
Just face it, scrambler rifle's current mechanics completely invalidate any shield only tanking suit. Its overpowered against shields and needs to be fixed somehow. |
Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1619
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:30:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Zindorak wrote:What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O
If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover?
I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8118
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:04:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:It has 139% efficiency toward shield at proficiency 5 and does 99 damage per shot toward shield with proficiency alone not to mention it has over 1000 DPS toward shield and you can't tank shield as high as Armor suits can tank Armor.
I bet if armor had a exact ScR like copy but that did 20% extra to armor, they would QQ like punks too.
I direct your attention to the bane of all armor users:
The HMG.
There is a part of me that genuinely hopes Dust 514 fails at times.
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:19:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Imp Smash wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Zindorak wrote:What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover? I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields.
i take your point about the charged get someone by suprise and its great if you hit.....big drawback if you miss. but realistically 95% of people will not achieve 7 shots per second. average person is probably about 4 on a controller and online it recons its about 5 on the mouse ( but thats with nothing to concentrate on) |
Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8119
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:24:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Imp Smash wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Zindorak wrote:What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover? I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields. i take your point about the charged get someone by suprise and its great if you hit.....big drawback if you miss. but realistically 95% of people will not achieve 7 shots per second. average person is probably about 4 on a controller and online it recons its about 5 on the mouse ( but thats with nothing to concentrate on)
Got me curious, went and looked at an old video I recorded to see what I could achieve. 7.4 shots/sec.
Not that I'm buying into the guys argument, but... Yanno. Totally possible x3
There is a part of me that genuinely hopes Dust 514 fails at times.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1619
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:30:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Imp Smash wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Zindorak wrote:What the... man r u high? SCR has a natural high damage per shot plus 20/20 damage profile what do you expect from a shield damaging weapon remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller) This. Ironically some guns perform below paper numbers. Other guns perform at paper numbers! o.O If you can fire 7 shots a second, which is 420 RPM (mostly everyone can) you have a DPS of about 770 towards shield not to mention a lot of people can also go over 420 and SCR is pinpoint accurate making it deadly at long range. Also, if you are like many Amarr Assaults walking around now a days, they charge their weapon so add that into DPS which will calmly make it over 1000. I know what you are gonna say, a charge shot takes time to charge true, but what else do you do when behind cover? I have a ScR and I walk around with it charged almost 80% of the time whether there are enemies or not. I can't charge my CR like that, I can't charge my AR like dat. Anyway, 7 shots to take down 700 shields (not including the damage mods) is quite OP where as it takes a whole clip from a CR and probably 2-3 seconds to take down (Accounting in for stupidly high dispersion) to take down like 500 shields. i take your point about the charged get someone by suprise and its great if you hit.....big drawback if you miss. but realistically 95% of people will not achieve 7 shots per second. average person is probably about 4 on a controller and online it recons its about 5 on the mouse ( but thats with nothing to concentrate on)
If I can get 450 RPM by tapping on my computers touch pad, i'm pretty sure others can get there too with a controller.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:32:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:It has 139% efficiency toward shield at proficiency 5 and does 99 damage per shot toward shield with proficiency alone not to mention it has over 1000 DPS toward shield and you can't tank shield as high as Armor suits can tank Armor.
I bet if armor had a exact ScR like copy but that did 20% extra to armor, they would QQ like punks too. I direct your attention to the bane of all armor users: The HMG.
The is the bane of everything.
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
945
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:08:00 -
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The ScR is a 1v1 king, if the second guy comes in you better make a run for it because you will be either close to overheat or out of ammo. So do expect to lose to these guys if it is just you, because the majority of people who run ScR already know how to use it properly and wreck with it. Have you used this weapon?
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Supacharjed
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
221
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:41:00 -
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Stop q.q ing and get gud.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
1351
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Posted - 2015.01.29 05:22:00 -
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Make it +10/-10.
Just wait for the tears. It's not a problem with damage profiles. You're just getting rekt
Dual tanking is for bad players.
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2015.01.29 07:10:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Make it +10/-10.
Just wait for the tears. It's not a problem with damage profiles. You're just getting rekt
why would it be tears? there are more armor tankers than shields - i see anything going towards a more balanced profile as a buff |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1935
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Posted - 2015.01.29 08:12:00 -
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The damage profile on the ScR and a few other weapons is too extreme once you apply proficiency.
What if the proficiency skill gave a small reduction to the drawback. For example ScR proficiency would add armor damage. +1% to armor damage per level seems like it would be much better. That would leave the weapon at +20 / -15 instead of +35 / -20. |
Breakin Stuff
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
6835
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Posted - 2015.01.29 09:03:00 -
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Amarr scrams are fun and easy to gank in minmatar suits.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1989
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Posted - 2015.01.29 09:19:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote: ACR is no where near as powerful toward armor as a ScR is toward shield
fun fact, SCR and ACR deal similar DPS to armor
taxi bastard wrote: remember all shield users believe that every SCR user has the ability to do paper DPS, when the truth is most people can't get anywhere remotely close to it ( without a modded controller)
I have tested how fast I can press a button plenty of times. over a short timeframe I can press it 10 times a second to cap out the RPM which is enougn since the weapon anyway overheats before my finger tires out. over an extended timeframe (20 seconds of continous pressing) I am still at 8.3 on average
I am no superhuman and I can safely assume that the majority of the playerbase can do that too.
also another fun fact, the CR does not have its paper RPM either regardless how fast you press the button |
WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars RISE of LEGION
197
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Posted - 2015.01.29 09:34:00 -
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Shield tankers are currently incentivized to use rail rifles to out range SCRs and ASCRs so that they can have a chance.
Additionally the shield tanker benefit more from using cover than armor tankers assuming they are using proto mods on both suits or the same tier, eg: both use std suits but with proto regeneration mods and minimal hp mods.
Shield tankers seem to be incentivized to use dampeners more than armor tankers by the arrangement of low slot mods and high slot mods. Despite the caldari having less low slots.
If you want a shield tanker to succeed (in CQC) against a SCR armor tanker, use a std medium caldari frame with 2 proto dampeners and hp shield mods in the high slots, while using a assault combat rifle, so you can flank your opponent while he is busy with other players. Or use a std shotgun. or an assault rifle. Or an assault rail rifle. But you must be extremely accurate with one long burst of bullets. Otherwise you may fail.
Did you know that the std assault rail rifle has a higher damage per clip compared to the std assault rifle? lol.
Or use a adv caldari medium "assault" suit with 2 proto dampener and 2 shield hp mods and 2 proto precision enhancers, with an ACR or shotgun etc. (getting a value of 20's in scan profile and precision with high hp is easier in an assault suit than a scout) You should make sure you are not discovered until you attack up close. This can be very challenging in proto stomps. You may get unlucky by being killed by scouts. DUST 514 is very chaotic and even if you do everything right some things can go wrong.
But scouts are able to get better max ewar than assault suits but with less health and more speed and cloak. Both are very good at some stuff. |
Mad Syringe
Dead Man's Game RUST415
441
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Posted - 2015.01.29 11:27:00 -
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I like the ASCR, it's one of the few MD support weapons, that make sense on the minmando...
ASCR to strip their shields, and MD for the finishiing touch... LOLs guaranteed |
Breakin Stuff
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
6836
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Posted - 2015.01.29 12:41:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:I like the ASCR, it's one of the few MD support weapons, that make sense on the minmando...
ASCR to strip their shields, and MD for the finishiing touch... LOLs guaranteed Plasma cannon. Even more chuckleworthy.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
15303
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Posted - 2015.01.29 14:15:00 -
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What we need, is a Tactical Combat Rifle.
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
142
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Posted - 2015.01.29 14:36:00 -
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Atiim wrote:What we need, is a Tactical Combat Rifle. what you need is a new amarr weapon to make you cry again...
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
15304
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Posted - 2015.01.29 14:38:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:Atiim wrote:What we need, is a Tactical Combat Rifle. what you need is a new amarr weapon to make you cry again... Says the guy who made 5-6 threads crying about how MinAssaults are OP and that the AmAssault is UP.
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance
828
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:00:00 -
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ScR is a "tactical" variant weapon... and so far all tactical weapon have been similar to the ScR mechanically. anyways, i mention it because i want you all to understand this next part.
Tactical Rail Rifle.... |
All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
142
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:All Gucci wrote:Atiim wrote:What we need, is a Tactical Combat Rifle. what you need is a new amarr weapon to make you cry again... Says the guy who made 5-6 threads crying about how MinAssaults are OP and that the AmAssault is UP.
Here let me help you feel stupid.... quote my exact words when I said they were op and up ... I said the amarr suits stats were lacking but the bonus made up for it <--- doesn't sound like I'm saying UP? unless you think so ? then you need help with reading comprehension lmfao ... and I said the Min had a better health/speed ratio then all the other suits <---- where do you hear Op? funny thing is YOU are on every thread calling **** OP. lmfao don't worry little ateem or whatever it is, my ScR vaporizes mind,body soul, and tears
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
363
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Posted - 2015.01.29 18:07:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:Shield tankers are currently incentivized to use rail rifles to out range SCRs and ASCRs so that they can have a chance.
Additionally the shield tanker benefit more from using cover than armor tankers assuming they are using proto mods on both suits or the same tier, eg: both use std suits but with proto regeneration mods and minimal hp mods.
Shield tankers seem to be incentivized to use dampeners more than armor tankers by the arrangement of low slot mods and high slot mods. Despite the caldari having less low slots.
If you want a shield tanker to succeed (in CQC) against a SCR armor tanker, use a std medium caldari frame with 2 proto dampeners and hp shield mods in the high slots, while using a assault combat rifle, so you can flank your opponent while he is busy with other players. Or use a std shotgun. or an assault rifle. Or an assault rail rifle. But you must be extremely accurate with one long burst of bullets. Otherwise you may fail.
Did you know that the std assault rail rifle has a higher damage per clip compared to the std assault rifle? lol.
Or use a adv caldari medium "assault" suit with 2 proto dampener and 2 shield hp mods and 2 proto precision enhancers, with an ACR or shotgun etc. (getting a value of 20's in scan profile and precision with high hp is easier in an assault suit than a scout) You should make sure you are not discovered until you attack up close. This can be very challenging in proto stomps. You may get unlucky by being killed by scouts. DUST 514 is very chaotic and even if you do everything right some things can go wrong.
But scouts are able to get better max ewar than assault suits but with less health and more speed and cloak. Both are very good at some stuff.
The current breach and assault rail rifles do not significantly outrange the scrambler rifle, not only that, but their long range performance is hampered by how they jitter around while firing, making it hard to stay on target without repeatedly stopping and recharging the weapon. The scrambler rifle is actually way better in long distance fighting due to pinpoint accuracy and virtually no kick. Im fine with this as a general concept since it is a tactical rifle, but I just want to make sure this idea that the rail rifle somehow does better in long distance encounters compared to the scrambler does not go unchallenged, because its a misconception. The scrambler is better in long range combat.
Basically what you are saying with the rest of the post here is never get shot at if you are in a shield suit. This is not helpful. Shield suits are supposed to do very well in long range head to head or flanking encounters, but due to the dominance of armor tank and the overpoweredness of the scrambler rifle, 9/10 you would do better to just use a scrambler on a gallente or ammar suit for your long range needs. Right now I actually feel more safe fighting a scrambler rifle up close with a shotgun than at max range with a railgun. I think thats an issue with the game balance right now and is indicative of how the tanking philosophies are not working correctly (or are just poorly balanced in general). |
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