lol See this is the problem that frustrates everybody.

If you really think PC is as easy as buying a clone pack and "protostomping" then please try it for yourself.

Nobody realizes the time and dedication it takes to be in PC until you've walked a mile in that guys shoes.

That is a bit of PC, but not nearly all of it....

First off, you don't have to buy clone packs. If you own districts, you can xfer clones from the to the district you intend on attacking -- essentially a "free" attack.

Secondly, locking of districts is generally looked down upon and doesn't happen much any more.

Third, the suits used in PCs are much more varied than just scouts and heavies. Heavies are still a mainstay in the city sockets, but we're seeing many more assaults and commandos on the field.

Fourth, the real fun in PC, at least for me, is in the opening move strategies and how your team reacts to what's going on in the field....which is something that doesn't lend itself to a forum post...but is incredibly important in terms of how the battle unfolds. Because it's much more than simply player gun game that wins PCs...it's how your team plays like a team that generally makes the difference between a win and a loss.

If you have any specific questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them. But to me, there is no more satisfying thing than for your 16 guys to go up against another 16 guys with the best team winning, at the highest level of skill/competition that Dust offers.

Thanks for this actually useful input.

What are some of the early battle thought processes?
Are there calls for specific suits at certain times?
Where does my Commando suit fit in all of this?
Is there a thought pattern that goes into choosing a district to attack?

Thanks for this actually useful input.

There is nothing that happens in PC that can not take place in a simple sync against someone you want to fight in factional contracts aside from passive isk.


If you really were all about the "good games" you would just call out other corps and sync against them as many times as you like.

For one thing.... The payouts in PCs are an order of magnitude higher than FW....and there's something to be said for earning your place in Molden Heath.

I would also like to point out something else about the PC players fighting so hard to not have their broken mechanics changed.

Many corps take the time locking districts to hack things back and forth and get well over 10k WP making it easier for them to cap out this crazy high cap. When you apply boosters and the instant SP boost they are obtaining 100s of thousands of SP in no time. They are simply capping out via this method in just a couple of hours a day on Dust while not playing the game at all.

I am not saying this applies to all PC corps or even that it applies to any specific number of those corps but this activity is rampant and part of the contributing factor to the new SP system CCP is working on implementing as oppose to lowering the cap.

You're welcome. :)


Your questions & my responses:

What are some of the early battle thought processes?
How many squads will you start with? Who will lead those squads? What type of players do you want in each squad? What suits? What will their initial strategy be? What is your 2nd move? If they do X, how will we respond? How do you expect the battle to unfold? Are we working in enough new players and veterans to both be successful in this battle and going forward with everyone feeling involved and part of the team?

Are there calls for specific suits at certain times?
Absolutely. For instance, we generally have assigned heavies/logis and forge guns/commandos and vehicle pilots. Outside that, I find that giving your better, more experienced players the opportunity run "whateve suit the situation calls for" to be the most productive.

Where does my Commando suit fit in all of this?
The commando is a great overwatch suit. Sitting someplace high, typically with AV in one hand and some type of suppression gun in the other. The role plays two roles -- making sure vehicles don't become a problem and kill anyone who tries to hack their assigned point. We have someone in this role in virtually ever match these days, although a skilled forge gunner can fulfill this role as well.

Is there a thought pattern that goes into choosing a district to attack?
Yes. Is it close enough to your districts that you won't lose an inordinate number of clones in the transfer? How do you stack up against the team you're facing? What are your relations with the other corp? Will your attack start a larger war (i.e. kick the hornet's nest)? Will you need ringers to beat them? Should you even use ringers this battle, or should you give your corp to stand on its own? What will the effect on morale be if you make the wrong decision?

You raise a very valid point -- SP boosting is a problem -- but, in my case at least, this has nothing at all to do with the changes proposed to PC.

Almost without exception, the proposed changes are done with the intent of broadening the appeal of PC. Because if there's one thing that virtually every single PC corp wants...it's more competition.

that's the thing.... we shouldnt have to teach you. PC is a game mode that needs to be set up where people can learn on their own....

The fact that you are asking means that such help is unavailable.

If you want to learn PC, open your NEOCOM thingy > HELP > INSTRUCTIONS > STARMAP-Corporations (something like that, cant remember exactly)

Read that. that will explain everything you need to know about PC. Stop being lazy and read. Learn it on your own.

Sometimes GD gets very entertaining

I would also like to point out something else about the PC players fighting so hard to not have their broken mechanics changed.

Many corps take the time locking districts to hack things back and forth and get well over 10k WP making it easier for them to cap out this crazy high cap. When you apply boosters and the instant SP boost they are obtaining 100s of thousands of SP in no time. They are simply capping out via this method in just a couple of hours a day on Dust while not playing the game at all.

I am not saying this applies to all PC corps or even that it applies to any specific number of those corps but this activity is rampant and part of the contributing factor to the new SP system CCP is working on implementing as oppose to lowering the cap.

You raise a point, information about PC should be publicly accessible and easily accessed.

The thing is, if it were that easy and I read these things and became a Textbook General so to speak, would I have the necessary experience to discuss PC?

Probably not.

This is why I'm asking people with experience about what they know and are willing to teach.
I want to learn the stuff that isn't in the Neocom.

Stick around, you might learn something too.

And mechanics are only half of the part of PC you need to understand. The other half is meta, and you can't really be taught meta without actually being in PC and understanding it. There are corps out there that are capable of holding 10+ district by there gameplay and talent but currently own less than 5 because of meta gaming.

Blue donuts and the gross profits everyone made and everyone else hears of are not fully to blame on PC mechanics they are to be blamed on the meta game and how the CEO's played it.

Thanks for this actually useful input.

What are some of the early battle thought processes?

Squads are generally formed around 20 minutes before war barge where the required roles and people are picked up. once squads are formed deployment, strategy and tactics are discussed.

Are there calls for specific suits at certain times?
On city map cargo hub it's generally Scouts and Heavies with a few assaults on the side
On bridge maps cargo hub it is generally a lot of assaults, scouts, vehicles and AV support
On production facility it is generally also lots of faster and mobile suits as it requires a lot of moving around.

Where does my Commando suit fit in all of this?
Roof tops. 1-2 Commando for cargo hub maps, 2-3 for production facilities.

Is there a thought pattern that goes into choosing a district to attack?
What ever guy last told you to f*ck off on the forums.

lead foot I ask this with all respect, Why do you think in the current system are there so many active ml members but so few that pc?

Thanks for this actually useful input.

What are some of the early battle thought processes?

Squads are generally formed around 20 minutes before war barge where the required roles and people are picked up. once squads are formed deployment, strategy and tactics are discussed.

Are there calls for specific suits at certain times?
On city map cargo hub it's generally Scouts and Heavies with a few assaults on the side
On bridge maps cargo hub it is generally a lot of assaults, scouts, vehicles and AV support
On production facility it is generally also lots of faster and mobile suits as it requires a lot of moving around.

Where does my Commando suit fit in all of this?
Roof tops. 1-2 Commando for cargo hub maps, 2-3 for production facilities.

Is there a thought pattern that goes into choosing a district to attack?
What ever guy last told you to f*ck off on the forums.